Do men see women as people?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think many humans see women as "other". Similar to how some people view immigrants or those of other religions/races.

They may be people but they're secondary. Disposable.

Women are completely incapable of putting themselves in a man's shoes and seeing the world as he does. Counts as "othering" in my book.

And you don't know what "disposable" is until you've been a man who is no longer useful to a woman.

Sounds like you've been hurt, but that is no reason to assume that billions of people are incapable of empathy.

We're in the "do men see women as people?" thread and you're asking this?

Why didn't you tell the OP "sorry a man hurt you, but that is no reason to assume that billions of men are incapable of empathy"?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women do not see men as people. A woman only views a man in terms of the man's immediate utility to her life - "what is he doing for me right now?" As soon as his utility is zero, he most definitely won't be a person to her any more, just an annoyance.

Tell that to my mom who feeds, bathes, clothes, pulls and pushes my wheelchair Dad around everywhere without any thank you or any effort on his part to take care of himself. His utility was gone a long time ago but she still treats him like a person and he treats her like a servant.

Nah she is providing something to him, even if it's just feeding her Noble Martyr complex.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women do not see men as people. A woman only views a man in terms of the man's immediate utility to her life - "what is he doing for me right now?" As soon as his utility is zero, he most definitely won't be a person to her any more, just an annoyance.

You do know that women tend to stick around in a marriage when the husband has cancer at a much higher rate than when it’s the opposite. This refutes your statement that women are opportunists.

Women initiate the vast majority of divorces which refutes your claim that women are not opportunistic.

How is initiating a divorce an opportunistic move?

The man is no longer providing the physical/emotional fulfillment she demands, or she's interested in some other guy, and she can get cash and prizes by divorcing him.

How about women divorce because the husband is cheating or is an abuser or that is a jerk who does not help out at home? These are the most likely reasons for women to initiate divorce, not the reasons you noted.

[Anonymous]

Another really stupid post.

The men in my life see me as a person. ALL OF THE MEN in my life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Some do, some don't.

Something I heard the other day is that men are socialized to not like women. They are actually socialized to feel a measure of contempt toward us and "feminine" attributes. They are taught that they should aspire to be the exact opposite of us.

Women are shorter? The ideal man is tall. Women are in tune with their emotions? The ideal man would never cry. Women like to make their surroundings beautiful? The ideal man is happy to live in an apartment with no pictures on the wall. Women are nurturing? The ideal job for a man are those involving lots of power and no caretaking. Women need a loving context to enjoy physical intimacy? The ideal man has lots of one night stands.

Man up, don't be a pussy, don't throw like a girl, etc. etc. etc.

So for men who are wrapped up in these ideas, women are not people but just a foil to make their manhood look stronger.

Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short and wear shirts and boots because it's okay to be a boy; for girls it's like promotion. But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading, according to you, because secretly you believe that being a girl is degrading.

— Ian McEwan, quoted by Madonna in What It Feels Like For A Girl

[Anonymous]

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Girls can wear jeans and cut their hair short and wear shirts and boots because it's okay to be a boy; for girls it's like promotion. But for a boy to look like a girl is degrading, according to you, because secretly you believe that being a girl is degrading.

— Ian McEwan, quoted by Madonna in What It Feels Like For A Girl

I am a woman in computer science who won an award for a simple app that a white male "Dave" failed for two years to do. As soon as I won the award, he then filed a complaint with an HR in a separate town banning ankle length skirts. You have obviously never been around lower IQ Panhandle men if you think it's a "promotion", not a mandate to have to deal with the libel women have to go through for not lying on their resumes. I am sure you are all too happy to lie as well and say women have "imposter" syndrome and not insanely dumb white males from Ft. Walton (I have never had a problem with smart/honest white males ).

[Anonymous]

Are you serious? As opposed to what? My wife, daughters and DIL are incredibly smart and accomplished people and I have a ton of female friends who are the same way. I’m retired after a very successful career and many of the best people I worked with were women.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Women do not see men as people. A woman only views a man in terms of the man's immediate utility to her life - "what is he doing for me right now?" As soon as his utility is zero, he most definitely won't be a person to her any more, just an annoyance.

You do know that women tend to stick around in a marriage when the husband has cancer at a much higher rate than when it’s the opposite. This refutes your statement that women are opportunists.

Or does it?....

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will never forget in college, learning about this study that said 30% of college-aged men would rape a woman if they knew they could 100% get away with it. Just try walking around in the world knowing 1/3rd of men are predators.

I never forget what I learned in college which was that the majority of psychology papers are bullsh!t, either completely fraudulent or with results that can't be replicated. Just try walking around in the world knowing that this study is undoubtedly nonsense and you'll feel a lot better.

How many times have you been raped or assaulted?

[Anonymous]

Good people treat men and women with respect. Bad people don't.

In my own family, my DH treats me and all women with respect and dignity. His father and brother are just evil and nasty people. They treat all people poorly and especially my MIL. They are too scared to say something to me because after one or two episodes of their bad behavior towards me I set them straight.

[Anonymous]

As a generalization, no. They are globally socialized as the better sex. Claiming they are feminists to get the pussy. Nope, the lot of them deep down were raised to believe in male superiority. Duh!

People are men. Women are sex toys. Even the most woke man was socialized this way. It’s like asking if whites aren’t racist - yup, all are!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I will never forget in college, learning about this study that said 30% of college-aged men would rape a woman if they knew they could 100% get away with it. Just try walking around in the world knowing 1/3rd of men are predators.

I never forget what I learned in college which was that the majority of psychology papers are bullsh!t, either completely fraudulent or with results that can't be replicated. Just try walking around in the world knowing that this study is undoubtedly nonsense and you'll feel a lot better.

How many times have you been raped or assaulted?

What do you think the answer to this is most likely to be, pp? Did you miss all of #metoo?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am a woman. This post is infuriating. Many men see women as people, some do not. Many women see men as people and some see them as wallets.

Black and white thinking is rarely good.

+1. I have never seen my husband say or do anything disrespectful to a woman. I have seen him step in numerous times when woman are being disrespected.

[Anonymous]

People yes, but immature, irrational, self-centered people.

I found that getting married was a bit like adopting a child who would never grow up.

[Anonymous]

I think they think they do. But I don't think they all do or all do to the same extent.

I had this conversation today about changing last names when you get married. the man in this conversation asserted that he wanted his name to carry on and it was important. So then, sir, is it not important that your wife's name carry on? Not to him, no. Her name certainly was not important to him. Would you, sir, be willing to change your name to a neutral third name? No, indeed, because my name is important to me, but hypenation is ok. OK, sir, so you'd change your name from Joe Blow to Joe Blow-Smith? his response: OH, I'd have to change my name too?

Like ... her name and identity is entirely subservient to his name and identity. Why? It is tradition. Why don't you feel that your wife's name and identity is important? Tradition. Tradition of women being property, you mean? Of having no agency?

He just did not get it. This is somebody who treats women as equals, he is respectful. But still doesn't understand.