Why don’t parents file more police reports?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Because assaults are not really happening IRL.

Teacher here. I see assaults happening at least 1-2 days a week in my school. It has gotten worse since I started 10 years ago. This year has been pretty awful.

Can you at least share your district?

Baltimore City. Fights happen at school all over the country every day. The admin deals with the students involved. As far as being a required reporter, that is for child abuse and neglect. Thankfully, I teach younger kids so I have to deal with this type of behavior a lot less than the teachers in grades 4-5.

[Anonymous]

I've listened to various Principals talk in generalities about their line of conduct in such cases, and my toddler daughter was the victim of a deliberate punch to the head when I picked up her brother in elementary. I would call the police if:

1. The assault wasn't very serious, but it helped the school build a case for a student who needed special placement that was refused by the parents, or it helped wake up the parents that their child needed more help. In our case, the school was already fed up with the parents of the child in question, and it was the last straw that made the Principal force a non-mainstream setting. Just FYI, schools' hands are tied when parents refuse placement, until the school can document enough incidents. If you're in such a situation, report as much as possible!

2. The assault is serious, and perhaps the school's first reflex is to hide evidence and confuse witnesses (which sadly happened in a very grave incident in an MCPS high school a few years ago) and therefore calling police IMMEDIATELY, in spite of a school's protestations, helps preserve evidence and secure accurate witness statements to put the perpetrators in jail. Call police before you contact the school, actually, so they don't have a chance to do anything.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

DP. Anything that leaves a physical mark, especially past upper elementary. With the exception of the biting, the rest of the things you mentioned wouldn’t warrant that. A closed fist punch, a shove hard enough to cause a hard fall and bruising, a puncture wound from being stabbed with a pen? Yes. I wouldn’t press charges if a kindergartner bit my kid but I’d make it clear that better be the last time or I’d escalate the issue. You get kicked out of daycare or private preschool for that. I’m not sure why it’s expected to be tolerated in kindergarten or first grade.

Children have a right to a free appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment where can be reasonably successful. There's no similar right to daycare or private preschool.

Obviously the school should provide appropriate supports to reduce the risk of biting or other injuries. But try to keep things in perspective. Your kid can handle most bites another kid might do. But think of the damage you'll do to the other kid if you successfully kick them out of class.

The rights of the bully must come before the rights of the victim - is that your argument?

PP is saying they have EQUAL rights when it comes to receiving an education. So it’s harder to get them kicked out.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

DP. Anything that leaves a physical mark, especially past upper elementary. With the exception of the biting, the rest of the things you mentioned wouldn’t warrant that. A closed fist punch, a shove hard enough to cause a hard fall and bruising, a puncture wound from being stabbed with a pen? Yes. I wouldn’t press charges if a kindergartner bit my kid but I’d make it clear that better be the last time or I’d escalate the issue. You get kicked out of daycare or private preschool for that. I’m not sure why it’s expected to be tolerated in kindergarten or first grade.

Children have a right to a free appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment where can be reasonably successful. There's no similar right to daycare or private preschool.

Obviously the school should provide appropriate supports to reduce the risk of biting or other injuries. But try to keep things in perspective. Your kid can handle most bites another kid might do. But think of the damage you'll do to the other kid if you successfully kick them out of class./quote]

My kid is not going to school to "handle bites" (WTF?)

Don't give a damn about any "damage" to a kid who's biting other students. That's their parents' responsibility.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

DP. Anything that leaves a physical mark, especially past upper elementary. With the exception of the biting, the rest of the things you mentioned wouldn’t warrant that. A closed fist punch, a shove hard enough to cause a hard fall and bruising, a puncture wound from being stabbed with a pen? Yes. I wouldn’t press charges if a kindergartner bit my kid but I’d make it clear that better be the last time or I’d escalate the issue. You get kicked out of daycare or private preschool for that. I’m not sure why it’s expected to be tolerated in kindergarten or first grade.

Children have a right to a free appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment where can be reasonably successful. There's no similar right to daycare or private preschool.

Obviously the school should provide appropriate supports to reduce the risk of biting or other injuries. But try to keep things in perspective. Your kid can handle most bites another kid might do. But think of the damage you'll do to the other kid if you successfully kick them out of class.

The rights of the bully must come before the rights of the victim - is that your argument?

Bullying is not assault ... this thread is about assault. No if somebody assaults a child the assaulter is moved not the victim. It just rarely happens... assaults that is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

Man. I am not done with my coffee yet and I have already read the stupidest thing I will really on the internet today. Pp is a special sort of moron, isn’t she?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

Pretty sure this is about the Loudoun rapes. And yes if my kid was raped I would file a police report.

No one was raped in Loudoun, the charges were sexual battery and forcible sodomy.

And both cases were reported to the police

I am more concerned about the cases that were not.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

Pretty sure this is about the Loudoun rapes. And yes if my kid was raped I would file a police report.

No one was raped in Loudoun, the charges were sexual battery and forcible sodomy.

And both cases were reported to the police

I am more concerned about the cases that were not.

+1

As you should be. Until someone outs the school systems (FCPS, in particular) to the media, the school systems will keep protecting the predators and predatory behaviors.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

Pretty sure this is about the Loudoun rapes. And yes if my kid was raped I would file a police report.

No one was raped in Loudoun, the charges were sexual battery and forcible sodomy.

And both cases were reported to the police . . .

Hope everyone realizes it was a democrat who wrote this dismissive reply.

She wrote: “No one was raped . . . it was forcible sodomy.”

Seriously??

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

Pretty sure this is about the Loudoun rapes. And yes if my kid was raped I would file a police report.

No one was raped in Loudoun, the charges were sexual battery and forcible sodomy.

And both cases were reported to the police . . .

Hope everyone realizes it was a democrat who wrote this dismissive reply.

She wrote: “No one was raped . . . it was forcible sodomy.”

Seriously??

DP. I read and wondered too. But I'm not sure that forcible sodomy, which used to be the way to criminalize consensual gay sex, is rape. Not clear.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

DP. Anything that leaves a physical mark, especially past upper elementary. With the exception of the biting, the rest of the things you mentioned wouldn’t warrant that. A closed fist punch, a shove hard enough to cause a hard fall and bruising, a puncture wound from being stabbed with a pen? Yes. I wouldn’t press charges if a kindergartner bit my kid but I’d make it clear that better be the last time or I’d escalate the issue. You get kicked out of daycare or private preschool for that. I’m not sure why it’s expected to be tolerated in kindergarten or first grade.

Children have a right to a free appropriate public education in the least restrictive environment where can be reasonably successful. There's no similar right to daycare or private preschool.

Obviously the school should provide appropriate supports to reduce the risk of biting or other injuries. But try to keep things in perspective. Your kid can handle most bites another kid might do. But think of the damage you'll do to the other kid if you successfully kick them out of class.

A mainstream placement is not “reasonably successful” if they’re physically assaulting innocent children.

Holy moly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

What do you consider assault? When a kindergartner bites another kid? When a 3rd grader hits another kid because he didn’t like the way a game ended? When a middle schooler trips a kid in the hallway as a joke? When another kid gets jealous of a toy or something and pushes them down to get it? I’ve seen all of these things and I wouldn’t consider any one of them assault.

Pretty sure this is about the Loudoun rapes. And yes if my kid was raped I would file a police report.

No one was raped in Loudoun, the charges were sexual battery and forcible sodomy.

And both cases were reported to the police . . .

Hope everyone realizes it was a democrat who wrote this dismissive reply.

She wrote: “No one was raped . . . it was forcible sodomy.”

Seriously??

DP. I read and wondered too. But I'm not sure that forcible sodomy, which used to be the way to criminalize consensual gay sex, is rape. Not clear.

If someone is under 18 they call it "forcible sodomy" even if it's consensual because according to the books, someone under 18 can't give consent to sodomy--even though they can give consent to intercourse. Oral sex under 18 also technically can't be called consensual. It's a leftover from the criminalization of gay sex. I don't know the specifics of their situation, but there's a lot of leftover laws on the books that can be used to criminalize consensual teen sex over the age of 16.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:A few years ago, they probably expected the schools to handle it by expelling the student.

Now, they probably know the school will do nothing but don’t want to call the cops because they don’t want to be cancelled.

But I agree with you. If someone assaults my kids, I’m pressing charges. I don’t care if it happens at school or not.

Man. I am not done with my coffee yet and I have already read the stupidest thing I will really on the internet today. Pp is a special sort of moron, isn’t she?

DP. I completely agree with the PP about being cancelled. The social media pillory of calling the police on a Black child isn’t worth the lifelong albatross it would put around our family’s neck. I would change schools before doing that.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I've listened to various Principals talk in generalities about their line of conduct in such cases, and my toddler daughter was the victim of a deliberate punch to the head when I picked up her brother in elementary. I would call the police if:

1. The assault wasn't very serious, but it helped the school build a case for a student who needed special placement that was refused by the parents, or it helped wake up the parents that their child needed more help. In our case, the school was already fed up with the parents of the child in question, and it was the last straw that made the Principal force a non-mainstream setting. Just FYI, schools' hands are tied when parents refuse placement, until the school can document enough incidents. If you're in such a situation, report as much as possible!

2. The assault is serious, and perhaps the school's first reflex is to hide evidence and confuse witnesses (which sadly happened in a very grave incident in an MCPS high school a few years ago) and therefore calling police IMMEDIATELY, in spite of a school's protestations, helps preserve evidence and secure accurate witness statements to put the perpetrators in jail. Call police before you contact the school, actually, so they don't have a chance to do anything.

the parents are WELL aware, trust me.

[Anonymous]

I feel like every school needs to eliminate their SROs, just like Alexandria did. Brilliant move.