If everyone indeed has a 3.9 or better, there's a problem.
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Anonymous
Many very bright kids do horribly on standardized tests. This has been stated over and over. |
Anonymous
Not so bright kids can do well on tests so it should balance out |
Anonymous
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Einstein: 8% of students with a 4.51+
Churchill: 29% of students with a 4.51+ |
Anonymous
Not really. They are either naturally bright or can study to do well. Both tend to indicate readiness for college. |
Anonymous
Okay but presumably that 3.9 was achieved by …. taking a lot of tests along the way. There are no public high schools that give no tests/quizzes. If they’re bright enough to get all As by taking tests in 4 years of high school, this should correlate somewhat with the SAT/ACT. A “horrible” SAT and near perfect grades achieved in part by *taking tests*! is relevant |
Anonymous
Not for everyone. Decontextualized, high-stakes tests cause anxiety that reduces performance for a reasonable sized sub-group of students. Tests in classes are predictable, connected to the content taught, and occur in a class where you have built up comfort. Additionally, the impact of stereotype threat on high-stakes test performance is well-researched for several decades (see Aronson & Steele). The initial research found that when Black, White and Asian students were given a sample SAT test that was referred to as a measure of intelligence, Black students performed worse (essentially showing the gap that is found in the real world). However, when they gave the same test to another group, but the test was played down--told it was a measure of background knowledge and effort and low-stakes, the gap between the racial groups disappeared. The researchers attributed this to stereotype threat--being reminded of a stereotype causes anxiety which reduces performance. Variations on this study have been reproduced hundreds of times in varied ways--people have found when white men are reminded of their race (asked to check a race box) they jump less high than if they are not , when women are reminded of their gender (asked to check a gender box) just before a math test they perform worse etc. High stakes tests + stereotypes about who performs well on them seem to be a particularly strong combination for provoking anxiety which weakens performance. Part of the brain power/attention is spent managing the anxiety or stereotype. Day to day testing in schools does not seem to do this as much. |
Anonymous
Quite a few kiddos on my husband’s side of the family attend some genuinely rubbish public schools and over half of each class graduates with honors. Average SAT is only 1,000. Parents are mostly blue collar and middle class schmucks who don’t know any better — convinced their kid who does no homework and never reads anything is a precocious genius. It’s fraud. |
Anonymous
Oh, bull. Kids with fake grades do horribly. Smart kids do well. Test optional is to backdoor URMs with fake grades and low scores; so the scores won’t jeopardize rankings and be used in affirmative action lawsuits. |
Anonymous
1317 is about 93rd percentile based on a nationally representative scale. That’s quite high! People are a little distorted on here. This is a very high achieving area. |
Anonymous
People on this board have extremely skewed views of SAT scores & think anything below 1500 isn't very good. A score of 1317 is about the 88th percentile nationally...so if the average at Churchill is 1317, that's very good. Assuming the average is about the median, that means the median (50th percentile) for Churchill is about the same as the 88th percentile nationally- which is fantastic. Now assume the 29th% that are getting a 4.51 percent are getting scores that closer to the 70th/75th percentile scores for Churchill (top 29th would suggest this)...that could very well be a 1450 or 1500 or higher...(the equivalent of the 96th or 98th percentiles for the nation)... This is not to say that the 4.51 is not inflated somehow...just the scores are not necessarily out of line. |
Anonymous
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Roughly 88th is among SAT takers - 93 is based on If everyone took the SAT. It’s not a huge difference but in case anyone is wondering why the different percentiles.
https://collegereadiness.collegeboard.org/pdf/understanding-sat-scores.pdf |
Anonymous
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If you look at the Whitman school profile, you can see this broken down. 49% of SAT takers scored 700 or high on math. That’s incredible!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1VBTdziFYw8tmX96pbKXiTEnoVXKFlRy_/view |
Anonymous
700 is about 95th% in the National sample scale. |
Anonymous
I don't understand weighted vs weighted. What is a 3.9 unweighted GPA when it is weighted? |
Anonymous
Depends on how many of the classes are honors or AP or IB and what the grades are in each. Individually calculated. https://blog.prepscholar.com/weighted-vs-unweighted-gpa-whats-the-difference |