US News Elementary Rankings - Ross #1

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Anonymous wrote:My main takeaway is some of these elementary schools are absurdly large. Janney and Lafayette - good lord.

Because everyone moved to these districts. Lafayette has seven first grades.

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Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

No dog in this fight? Obviously, you have a kid at Shepherd.

According to the latest PARCC scores, 40-50% of Shepherd kids score below grade level in math and ELA. In comparison, the numbers at Ross are much, much better (only a few kids are just below grade level).

In addition, Ross, the #1 school, is EOTP and majority non-white.

Maybe get your facts straight before posting?

No, I don’t. I am a black mom that carefully examines scores of black students around the city.

Again, you are looking at raw numbers.
Using DC school report card usage of normalizing scores for demographics,

Shepherd:
White students 96.24%
Black students 73.49%

Ross:
White students: 59.80%
Black students: 66.53%

Janney:
White students: 61%
Black students: 79.72%

Lafayette:
White students: 59.32%
Black: 76.86%

I’ve never seen these normalized numbers before. Where are they coming from and what do they mean versus the raw numbers?

DC school report cards.

Links, please. I’ve looked at what I thought was every inch of the report cards and those aren’t the same numbers that I’m seeing.

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What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

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Anonymous wrote:What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

It’s not scores it’s DC report card of how the white students at Lafayette perform compared to white students across the city. Not just raw 4+ PARCC but also growth I believe as well. Have you all never looked at DC school report cards?

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Anonymous wrote:What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

It’s not scores it’s DC report card of how the white students at Lafayette perform compared to white students across the city. Not just raw 4+ PARCC but also growth I believe as well. Have you all never looked at DC school report cards?

Not that part, apparently. Do you have links because I have no idea what you’re talking about.

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Anonymous wrote:What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

It’s not scores it’s DC report card of how the white students at Lafayette perform compared to white students across the city. Not just raw 4+ PARCC but also growth I believe as well. Have you all never looked at DC school report cards?

No kids at WOTP schools. But if you are at the top of the PARCC there is not much room to go up. If you are at the bottom of the barrel, then easy to go up and lots of room. That’s why “growth” is DC’s way to make poor performing schools look better on paper than they actually are.

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Anonymous wrote:What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

It’s not scores it’s DC report card of how the white students at Lafayette perform compared to white students across the city. Not just raw 4+ PARCC but also growth I believe as well. Have you all never looked at DC school report cards?

Not that part, apparently. Do you have links because I have no idea what you’re talking about.

It’s on the second page of each school’s report card. Site is lagging right now. You can’t miss the scores.

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Anonymous wrote:What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

It’s not scores it’s DC report card of how the white students at Lafayette perform compared to white students across the city. Not just raw 4+ PARCC but also growth I believe as well. Have you all never looked at DC school report cards?

No kids at WOTP schools. But if you are at the top of the PARCC there is not much room to go up. If you are at the bottom of the barrel, then easy to go up and lots of room. That’s why “growth” is DC’s way to make poor performing schools look better on paper than they actually are.

Not true when you look at raw scores of white kids in schools mentioned above. They all score high 80%-mid 95% so it’s raw scores compared to white peers across the city.

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Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

No dog in this fight? Obviously, you have a kid at Shepherd.

According to the latest PARCC scores, 40-50% of Shepherd kids score below grade level in math and ELA. In comparison, the numbers at Ross are much, much better (only a few kids are just below grade level).

In addition, Ross, the #1 school, is EOTP and majority non-white.

Maybe get your facts straight before posting?

No, I don’t. I am a black mom that carefully examines scores of black students around the city.

Again, you are looking at raw numbers.
Using DC school report card usage of normalizing scores for demographics,

Shepherd:
White students 96.24%
Black students 73.49%

Ross:
White students: 59.80%
Black students: 66.53%

Janney:
White students: 61%
Black students: 79.72%

Lafayette:
White students: 59.32%
Black: 76.86%

I’ve never seen these normalized numbers before. Where are they coming from and what do they mean versus the raw numbers?

The person is just making them up. Utter nonsense.

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Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

No dog in this fight? Obviously, you have a kid at Shepherd.

According to the latest PARCC scores, 40-50% of Shepherd kids score below grade level in math and ELA. In comparison, the numbers at Ross are much, much better (only a few kids are just below grade level).

In addition, Ross, the #1 school, is EOTP and majority non-white.

Maybe get your facts straight before posting?

No, I don’t. I am a black mom that carefully examines scores of black students around the city.

Again, you are looking at raw numbers.
Using DC school report card usage of normalizing scores for demographics,

Shepherd:
White students 96.24%
Black students 73.49%

Ross:
White students: 59.80%
Black students: 66.53%

Janney:
White students: 61%
Black students: 79.72%

Lafayette:
White students: 59.32%
Black: 76.86%

I’ve never seen these normalized numbers before. Where are they coming from and what do they mean versus the raw numbers?

The person is just making them up. Utter nonsense.

Yeah that’s what I do for fun 😂😂😂

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

No dog in this fight? Obviously, you have a kid at Shepherd.

According to the latest PARCC scores, 40-50% of Shepherd kids score below grade level in math and ELA. In comparison, the numbers at Ross are much, much better (only a few kids are just below grade level).

In addition, Ross, the #1 school, is EOTP and majority non-white.

Maybe get your facts straight before posting?

No, I don’t. I am a black mom that carefully examines scores of black students around the city.

Again, you are looking at raw numbers.
Using DC school report card usage of normalizing scores for demographics,

Shepherd:
White students 96.24%
Black students 73.49%

Ross:
White students: 59.80%
Black students: 66.53%

Janney:
White students: 61%
Black students: 79.72%

Lafayette:
White students: 59.32%
Black: 76.86%

OK. Let’s look at percentages. Here are the last PARCC results for Ross and Shepherd (for students of ALL races*):

Ross had 91% 4+ in ELA and 70.1% 4+ in Math.

Shepherd had 58.9% 4+ in ELA and 55.1% 4+ in Math.

You are still surprised that USN&WR ranked Ross #1 and Shepherd #14?

*"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character."

-MLK Jr.

You are the most dense person on DCUM. Next do you want to compare SATs at an all white school versus an all black school that still does better than their peers?

You are loco and your assumptions are racist. Moreover, your numbers are garbage and your arguments make no sense. Normalizing for demographics? Give me a break.

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Anonymous wrote:What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

It’s not scores it’s DC report card of how the white students at Lafayette perform compared to white students across the city. Not just raw 4+ PARCC but also growth I believe as well. Have you all never looked at DC school report cards?

No kids at WOTP schools. But if you are at the top of the PARCC there is not much room to go up. If you are at the bottom of the barrel, then easy to go up and lots of room. That’s why “growth” is DC’s way to make poor performing schools look better on paper than they actually are.

Not true when you look at raw scores of white kids in schools mentioned above. They all score high 80%-mid 95% so it’s raw scores compared to white peers across the city.

DP. But why would these be better numbers than the raw scores? Who frankly cares if the raw scores are at an acceptable level to you? Or worse, if this weird weighted data artificially inflates scores at some schools. It seems as arbitrary as USNWR and like cherry-picking the data you want to see.

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*better QUALITY numbers. Not better as in higher

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Anonymous wrote:What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

It’s not scores it’s DC report card of how the white students at Lafayette perform compared to white students across the city. Not just raw 4+ PARCC but also growth I believe as well. Have you all never looked at DC school report cards?

No kids at WOTP schools. But if you are at the top of the PARCC there is not much room to go up. If you are at the bottom of the barrel, then easy to go up and lots of room. That’s why “growth” is DC’s way to make poor performing schools look better on paper than they actually are.

Not true when you look at raw scores of white kids in schools mentioned above. They all score high 80%-mid 95% so it’s raw scores compared to white peers across the city.

DP. But why would these be better numbers than the raw scores? Who frankly cares if the raw scores are at an acceptable level to you? Or worse, if this weird weighted data artificially inflates scores at some schools. It seems as arbitrary as USNWR and like cherry-picking the data you want to see.

I will wager DC School Report card system (a system mandated by law) is a lot more reliable than US News data points.

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Anonymous wrote:What DC statistics have white kids at the 60th percentile at Ross, Janney, and Lafayette?? Those appear to be completely made up numbers. PP please share where you found those stats.

It’s not scores it’s DC report card of how the white students at Lafayette perform compared to white students across the city. Not just raw 4+ PARCC but also growth I believe as well. Have you all never looked at DC school report cards?

No kids at WOTP schools. But if you are at the top of the PARCC there is not much room to go up. If you are at the bottom of the barrel, then easy to go up and lots of room. That’s why “growth” is DC’s way to make poor performing schools look better on paper than they actually are.

Not true when you look at raw scores of white kids in schools mentioned above. They all score high 80%-mid 95% so it’s raw scores compared to white peers across the city.

DP. But why would these be better numbers than the raw scores? Who frankly cares if the raw scores are at an acceptable level to you? Or worse, if this weird weighted data artificially inflates scores at some schools. It seems as arbitrary as USNWR and like cherry-picking the data you want to see.

I will wager DC School Report card system (a system mandated by law) is a lot more reliable than US News data points.

Lol, as a District government employee, I’d wager the exact opposite. And all of these secret algorithms are pretty pointless when you have actual data to compare, even if it’s three years old at this point.