US News Elementary Rankings - Ross #1

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

[Anonymous]

Wow schools with high numbers of UMC parents are better than schools with lower numbers of UMC parents. Absolutely groundbreaking rankings here 🙄

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

Thank you!

- pp who pointed out SES is ranked too low

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Wow schools with high numbers of UMC parents are better than schools with lower numbers of UMC parents. Absolutely groundbreaking rankings here 🙄

Not so if you get past the first 25 or so schools. And not so even for the top schools if you don’t completely ignore KIPP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

Thank you!

- pp who pointed out SES is ranked too low

Fair enough, by that measure Bancroft is far too low also, right? I wish they would explain their methodology.

[Anonymous]

The US News elementary school rankings are even more an absurd marketing ploy than their college rankings, which have only gotten harder to take seriously as my own alma mater has moved higher up the top 10. I wouldn't spend a minute being surprised or worried about anything on them. If you're happy with your kids' school, who cares what US News thinks about it?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

There seems to be more to the methodology and I’m assuming schools get a “bump” based on demographic performance. For example, see Dorothy Height ranked 20 and ITS ranked 21. Both have a math proficiency of 47%. At Dorothy Height it says the math performance is “well above expectations” while at ITS it is “somewhat below expectations”. I’ve noticed these difference in performance expectations throughout the ranking list.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This has all the makings of a 100-page thread

DCUM been sleeping on KIPP

I'm not trying to attack KIPP specifically, but its easy to rank high when you can kick out students with behavior problems or simply limit enrollment (unlike public schools who have to accept everyone). I also don't think many parents here would want their children in a school as rigid and scripted as a KIPP.

I say all this to say that the rankings in general seem ridiculous for elementary schools. Data is more reflective of parental support and involvement and not the schools/teachers themselves. All high ranking schools have extremely active PTOs.

I think it's interesting that you would mention this about Kipp when each kipp school was ranked individually. The #7 kipp school really stood out and I don't see why credit can't be given when due. Maury also really stood out surpassing many of the other Hill schools and WOP schools. Kudos to them as well.

The poster who posted the results of kipp selectively chose not to post the results of the one ranked #7 which is really strange. What angle is being played with that post?

But it’s the truth, not just KIPP but any charter can kick out students, even by saying ‘we can’t meet the iep hours,’ a DCPS school would be sued.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The US News elementary school rankings are even more an absurd marketing ploy than their college rankings, which have only gotten harder to take seriously as my own alma mater has moved higher up the top 10. I wouldn't spend a minute being surprised or worried about anything on them. If you're happy with your kids' school, who cares what US News thinks about it?

Right on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

There seems to be more to the methodology and I’m assuming schools get a “bump” based on demographic performance. For example, see Dorothy Height ranked 20 and ITS ranked 21. Both have a math proficiency of 47%. At Dorothy Height it says the math performance is “well above expectations” while at ITS it is “somewhat below expectations”. I’ve noticed these difference in performance expectations throughout the ranking list.

This methodology reminded me of the analysis for each DCPS school that shows where each demographic subgroup of students perform as compared to their expected performance. For instance, white kids at my charter school performed worse than they were expected to peform. However, I don't know the methodology for that analysis.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US News elementary school rankings are even more an absurd marketing ploy than their college rankings, which have only gotten harder to take seriously as my own alma mater has moved higher up the top 10. I wouldn't spend a minute being surprised or worried about anything on them. If you're happy with your kids' school, who cares what US News thinks about it?

Right on.

Let me guess? You don't have a kid at Ross.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The US News elementary school rankings are even more an absurd marketing ploy than their college rankings, which have only gotten harder to take seriously as my own alma mater has moved higher up the top 10. I wouldn't spend a minute being surprised or worried about anything on them. If you're happy with your kids' school, who cares what US News thinks about it?

Right on.

Let me guess? You don't have a kid at Ross.

I don't. But I did go to a university that was all about jockeying its way up the rankings while not being all that spectacular.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

There seems to be more to the methodology and I’m assuming schools get a “bump” based on demographic performance. For example, see Dorothy Height ranked 20 and ITS ranked 21. Both have a math proficiency of 47%. At Dorothy Height it says the math performance is “well above expectations” while at ITS it is “somewhat below expectations”. I’ve noticed these difference in performance expectations throughout the ranking list.

It does say “ A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state”

But it doesn’t say how that impacts rankings versus overall raw rankings on test scores.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Shepherd ES is ranked too low. They had some of the top scores in DC.

It's a great school and the scores are very respectable, but they're not better than some of the higher ranked schools. But the methodology, whatever it is, is not based on just scores. HA is right above SWS, Murch, and Brent - all of which have higher scores. I think a lot of the ranking is based on whatever algorithm calculates this:

Reading Performance
A descriptive term reflecting a school's reading/language arts percentage proficiency compared with the percentage U.S. News predicted for it. The predicted value was calculated scientifically based on each school's economic and ethnic diversity and these subgroups' relationship to elementary school reading/language arts proficiency in the state.

That would also explain why some of the HRCS are lower than many would expect, since they have lower scores overall and bigger achievement gaps than many of the higher ranked DCPS (but disproportionately higher numbers of high scoring white/higher SES kids, which raises their scores compared to the non-Wilson feeder DCPS).

That is just rewarding WOTP and Cap Hill schools for being the whitest. Shepherd scores higher than about every single school when you compare white/black. Shepherd has the highest #1 in white student performance as well as top 3 for black. That is way more than respectable, it’s downright amazing. So if you compare for peer performance, I don’t see how you don’t rank Shepherd as top 3 if not #1.

-no dog in fight

No dog in this fight? Obviously, you have a kid at Shepherd.

According to the latest PARCC scores, 40-50% of Shepherd kids score below grade level in math and ELA. In comparison, the numbers at Ross are much, much better (only a few kids are just below grade level).

In addition, Ross, the #1 school, is EOTP and majority non-white.

Maybe get your facts straight before posting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:US News is trash, their college rankings started an arms race and helped to make higher education unaffordable. Now they're getting into the ES game too? Laughable.

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