Ross has 177 students and only 8% of its students are economically disadvantaged. They are doing great, but it is a lot easier in a small, high SES school. I am not sure they are a model for addressing the challenges in DCPS. |
No, I don’t. I am a black mom that carefully examines scores of black students around the city. Again, you are looking at raw numbers. Using DC school report card usage of normalizing scores for demographics, Shepherd: White students 96.24% Black students 73.49% Ross: White students: 59.80% Black students: 66.53% Janney: White students: 61% Black students: 79.72% Lafayette: White students: 59.32% Black: 76.86% |
And contrary to PP that continues to use raw score, Ross is 52% white and only 12% black so of course their raw scores are going to look better than Shepherd with 59% black and 22% white. Fact is black students do better at Shepherd than blacks at Ross and white students do better at Shepherd than Ross (by a lot). Ross is just whiter than Shepherd. |
How many are scoring 1s and 2s at both schools? |
Ha, correct. But I do have a kid at Janney, and I still think these rankings are garbage. |
Yeah this is how I read it. We all know why the top schools show up here. As for KIPP, clearly their secret sauce methodology rewards this style of schooling for the poorer blacker sector of the city. Not really impressed with this ranking. |
And I am proud of my alma mater for not only refusing to be ranked at all for at least the past 20 years, but also publishing student research reverse-engineering their secret methodology to expose that it's a sham (based almost entirely on how other schools' professors view that school, subjectively). I'm not trusting their "scientific process" whatsoever here either. |
Are you asking for more raw data or controlled for race? Only the latter will be relevant. |
No charter is allowed to do this and they would be sued if they tried too. KIPP operates under the same local and federal laws as DCPS. This hasn’t always been the case but it is now. Also, no school can “kick out” elementary students. Expulsion at that age is now prohibited under local law (with one or two specific exceptions for things like weapons in school). Council out, maybe. These are old narratives that keep getting told. KIPP schools are much different now than 10 years ago. |
DCPS has actually never explained exactly how these scores are calculated and they appear to make little sense/do not actually relate directly to performance on the tests even for the subgroups, so I wouldn't hang my hat on these numbers more than whichever ones USNWR makes up using similarly motivated but different methodology. If you actually looked at the raw scores for each racial group, then you could brag about both white & black kids scoring better at Shepherd (which may very well be true, I have no idea), but these scores have some kind of weird/unexplained growth metric baked in. In general, the OSSE report super rewarded schools that had improved test performance from year 1 of the report to year 2 and savaged schools that went down slightly from year 1 to year 2 even if from year 0 to year 2 those schools had more improvement. (So, e.g., if a school went from 1 to 6 to 5, they did *much* worse than the school who went from 1 to 2 to 4, even though the kids actually had more improvement overall at the second school. Assigning that much value to one year change v 3-4 year changes is really stupid and totally contrary to how schools actually teach. It also means the scores are highly variable from year to year in a really unhelpful way if you're actually trying to evaluate school performance. |
OK. Let’s look at percentages. Here are the last PARCC results for Ross and Shepherd (for students of ALL races*): Ross had 91% 4+ in ELA and 70.1% 4+ in Math. Shepherd had 58.9% 4+ in ELA and 55.1% 4+ in Math. You are still surprised that USN&WR ranked Ross #1 and Shepherd #14? *"I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character." -MLK Jr. |
You are the most dense person on DCUM. Next do you want to compare SATs at an all white school versus an all black school that still does better than their peers? |
Percentages without taking into account peer to peer still is looking at raw data. You have to compare peer to peer. PP is correct that Ross seems to do better in almost every category than most schools. They seem to deserve their #1 ranking. However, I do still wonder why other WOTP or majority white schools rank higher than Shepherd, some HRCS, or Eaton. Shepherd percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 94.1% percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 94.1% percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 54% percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 50% Ross percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 100% (better than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 92.3% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 88.9% (better than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 66.7% (better than Shepherd) Janney percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 90.1% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 85.8% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 59.1% (better than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 45.5% (worse than Shepherd) Lafayette percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 85.6% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 89.8% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 48.1% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 53.8% (better than Shepherd) Maury percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 92.9% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 95.7% (better than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 46.3% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 39% (worse than Shepherd) Stoddert percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 83.9% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 93.5% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 45% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 55% (worse than Shepherd) Key percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 81.3% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 90.6% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 63.0% (better than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 44.4% (worse than Shepherd) Eaton percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 90.4% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 91.5% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 51% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 37.5% (worse than Shepherd) Mann percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 84.5% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 78.4% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 60% (better than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 45% (worse than Shepherd) Hyde Addision percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 79.2% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 91.7% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 53.8% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 50.8% (better than Shepherd) Brent percentage of white students with 4 or higher in ELA 85.7% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of white students with 4 or higher in Math 86.9% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in ELA 46.4% (worse than Shepherd) percentage of black students with 4 or higher in Math 32.1% (worse than Shepherd) So I do wonder if this new report is simply a reward for the whitest schools being that I don't count a single school other than Ross that outperforms Shepherd based on peer to peer comparison. |
I’ve never seen these normalized numbers before. Where are they coming from and what do they mean versus the raw numbers? |
DC school report cards. |