Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

[Anonymous]

14 more cases on the Diamond Princess, raising ship's total to 705.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the “alarming” significance of the Dr above commenting that he “does not think there’s a significant iceberg of un(der) reported mild cases”?

It would mean the death rate is really high—-anywhere from 2% to 20% depending on what data set you are looking at. And that means containment is really important—buy is nearly impossible on a country that is not authoritarian especially where the virus transmit before symptoms appear.

1-2% is plenty high enough to be alarming.

Overall no one is saying anything like 20% CFR. You cannot go by initial results in outbreaks as if they haven't been testing for it, the first cases they know about will be the severe ones.

If 10% of the cases are "severe" and medical attention is not available, then the CFR might be higher in those areas.

But I think a lot of people were hoping there was much mild, undetected spread which would bring the CFR of this virus down to 0.1 % like seasonal flu.

[Anonymous]

The DC area is short on healthcare facilities and medical professionals. Triage is going to be ... very bad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:14 more cases on the Diamond Princess, raising ship's total to 705.

I cannot believe there are still people on the ship. That experiment has gone poorly.

[Anonymous]

I’m planning to go to Greece at the end of May. Do I need to cancel my trip?

[Anonymous]

CDC already said that an outbreak in the US is "inevitable", it is just a matter of time, starting stocking up people.

So many people from China, Japan, S. Korea, Italy, etc. fly to the US every day...we have no mandated quarantine on those people whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

It's already here and quite likely being spread. We will only know once we start being able to test people for the virus, which we are not doing much of.

"When pressed on when specifically the kits will be made available, Messonnier did not provide a date.

Currently, only 12 labs outside of the CDC—located in California, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada, and Tennessee—have the capability to test for the virus. Peter Kyriacopoulos, the chief policy officer for APHL, told CIDRAP News the testing process could be dramatically shortened and expanded if 100 Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL)-member labs receive authorization to do their own tests."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/cdc-warns-us-covid-19-spread-labs-frustrated-over-lack-tests

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:It's already here and quite likely being spread. We will only know once we start being able to test people for the virus, which we are not doing much of.

"When pressed on when specifically the kits will be made available, Messonnier did not provide a date.

Currently, only 12 labs outside of the CDC—located in California, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada, and Tennessee—have the capability to test for the virus. Peter Kyriacopoulos, the chief policy officer for APHL, told CIDRAP News the testing process could be dramatically shortened and expanded if 100 Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL)-member labs receive authorization to do their own tests."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/cdc-warns-us-covid-19-spread-labs-frustrated-over-lack-tests

China is making the US look incompetent. It's embarrassing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's already here and quite likely being spread. We will only know once we start being able to test people for the virus, which we are not doing much of.

"When pressed on when specifically the kits will be made available, Messonnier did not provide a date.

Currently, only 12 labs outside of the CDC—located in California, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada, and Tennessee—have the capability to test for the virus. Peter Kyriacopoulos, the chief policy officer for APHL, told CIDRAP News the testing process could be dramatically shortened and expanded if 100 Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL)-member labs receive authorization to do their own tests."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/cdc-warns-us-covid-19-spread-labs-frustrated-over-lack-tests

China is making the US look incompetent. It's embarrassing.

+1. We are supposed to be world leaders?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's already here and quite likely being spread. We will only know once we start being able to test people for the virus, which we are not doing much of.

"When pressed on when specifically the kits will be made available, Messonnier did not provide a date.

Currently, only 12 labs outside of the CDC—located in California, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada, and Tennessee—have the capability to test for the virus. Peter Kyriacopoulos, the chief policy officer for APHL, told CIDRAP News the testing process could be dramatically shortened and expanded if 100 Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL)-member labs receive authorization to do their own tests."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/cdc-warns-us-covid-19-spread-labs-frustrated-over-lack-tests

China is making the US look incompetent. It's embarrassing.

Let's not go there, please know that no matter what, a democratic society is better than China. You probably don't know much about China, you can't just look at what on the surface. I am Chinese, so glad I immigrated here.

US will be fine, even though I am prepping for a potential severe outbreak already, this is mainly because I am Chinese, and I follow the coronavirus news in China closely, and I've seen how bad it is. Don't believe in WHO's "China is doing a good job". Good job on suppressing the truth?!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's already here and quite likely being spread. We will only know once we start being able to test people for the virus, which we are not doing much of.

"When pressed on when specifically the kits will be made available, Messonnier did not provide a date.

Currently, only 12 labs outside of the CDC—located in California, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada, and Tennessee—have the capability to test for the virus. Peter Kyriacopoulos, the chief policy officer for APHL, told CIDRAP News the testing process could be dramatically shortened and expanded if 100 Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL)-member labs receive authorization to do their own tests."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/cdc-warns-us-covid-19-spread-labs-frustrated-over-lack-tests

China is making the US look incompetent. It's embarrassing.

Let's not go there, please know that no matter what, a democratic society is better than China. You probably don't know much about China, you can't just look at what on the surface. I am Chinese, so glad I immigrated here.

US will be fine, even though I am prepping for a potential severe outbreak already, this is mainly because I am Chinese, and I follow the coronavirus news in China closely, and I've seen how bad it is. Don't believe in WHO's "China is doing a good job". Good job on suppressing the truth?!

No one is saying that China is better than America in terms of political systems. It's embarrassing that the US is so unprepared. We can't test anyone and are doing nothing to make sure it's not here or spreading. Sure the US has suspended most flights from China (but not all). That really doesn't matter because it's just a matter of time (if it hasn't happened already) that asymptomatic infected individuals from a variety of other countries will be coming here. There could be clusters here already and we couldn't even know because we have no testing. Even people that show up to the hospitals sick, they won't get tested unless they came from China, Iran, or Northern Italy.

[Anonymous]

Countries are not required to define what constitutes a “test”. They could mean they checked the temperature of 1000 people and call that a test. They could do chest X-rays and that would be their test. You don’t know what criteria they are using and they have no real obligation to reveal it. Some countries lie.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's already here and quite likely being spread. We will only know once we start being able to test people for the virus, which we are not doing much of.

"When pressed on when specifically the kits will be made available, Messonnier did not provide a date.

Currently, only 12 labs outside of the CDC—located in California, Illinois, Nebraska, Nevada, and Tennessee—have the capability to test for the virus. Peter Kyriacopoulos, the chief policy officer for APHL, told CIDRAP News the testing process could be dramatically shortened and expanded if 100 Association of Public Health Laboratories (APHL)-member labs receive authorization to do their own tests."

http://www.cidrap.umn.edu/news-perspective/2020/02/cdc-warns-us-covid-19-spread-labs-frustrated-over-lack-tests

China is making the US look incompetent. It's embarrassing.

+1. We are supposed to be world leaders?

This is what you get when you elect a government that cares more about making money than it does about making people's lives better. The Trump administration has cut funding to the areas critical to managing a response to just this kind of crisis. It also ridicules those who want to take COVID-19 seriously and says everything is under control. I was OK with Trump being president when it seemed like he would keep things going for the country, even if he is a jerk, but this virus has the potential to do great harm and the White House has basically no response. It is more than embarrassing, it's dangerous and upsetting. I think the only reason he's said anything at all is due to the stock market slide, and then his response is, "Nothing to see here! Everything is fine!" Scary. I believe he won't allow the government to take the kind of steps needed to limit the damage, such as quarantine places, allow community testing, close businesses, because that will hurt his precious economy that he is so proud of (and did very little to build).

Having a president like this makes me realize what it is like to live in a country like Iran where information suppression is the norm and the government is NOT looking out for its people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What’s the “alarming” significance of the Dr above commenting that he “does not think there’s a significant iceberg of un(der) reported mild cases”?

It would mean the death rate is really high—-anywhere from 2% to 20% depending on what data set you are looking at. And that means containment is really important—buy is nearly impossible on a country that is not authoritarian especially where the virus transmit before symptoms appear.

1-2% is plenty high enough to be alarming.

Overall no one is saying anything like 20% CFR. You cannot go by initial results in outbreaks as if they haven't been testing for it, the first cases they know about will be the severe ones.

If 10% of the cases are "severe" and medical attention is not available, then the CFR might be higher in those areas.

But I think a lot of people were hoping there was much mild, undetected spread which would bring the CFR of this virus down to 0.1 % like seasonal flu.

Why the emphasis on using a denominator (CFR) that includes unresolved cases? If you look at closed cases (ended in recovery or death), the current death rate = 8%. : https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Countries are not required to define what constitutes a “test”. They could mean they checked the temperature of 1000 people and call that a test. They could do chest X-rays and that would be their test. You don’t know what criteria they are using and they have no real obligation to reveal it. Some countries lie.

Not true. If you have evidence of this please post a link. Otherwise, read more and post less. We don't need people spreading lies right now. Thanks.