FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we weren’t concentrating the poverty at certain schools the tax revenues from those schools’ catchment areas would be higher.

It’s amusing when people claim to be making arguments based on economics, but are really just revealing their preference for schools without poor kids.

You seem to be arguing that the differences are from an intentional conspiracy rather than organic ways that citizens sort themselves. Believe it or not, there is no grand conspiracy to segregate along economic status, and I have no doubts that supply and demand will do its thing and the school board (and you) will be complaining in a couple of years about the inequities elsewhere.

The assertion that you are responding to is that certain higher performing school pyramids will have more demand for houses. It’s really not that hard to follow along, and if you aren’t, then you really have nothing to contribute here.

The county should prioritize citizens over developers. Do you really disagree with that? I guess extremism makes for strange bedfellows.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we weren’t concentrating the poverty at certain schools the tax revenues from those schools’ catchment areas would be higher.

It’s amusing when people claim to be making arguments based on economics, but are really just revealing their preference for schools without poor kids.

You seem to be arguing that the differences are from an intentional conspiracy rather than organic ways that citizens sort themselves. Believe it or not, there is no grand conspiracy to segregate along economic status, and I have no doubts that supply and demand will do its thing and the school board (and you) will be complaining in a couple of years about the inequities elsewhere.

The assertion that you are responding to is that certain higher performing school pyramids will have more demand for houses. It’s really not that hard to follow along, and if you aren’t, then you really have nothing to contribute here.

The county should prioritize citizens over developers. Do you really disagree with that? I guess extremism makes for strange bedfellows.

You really need to educate yourself on how the boundaries of schools like Langley, Annandale, and Lewis ended up drawn as they currently are before you go off pontificating at such lengths.

[Anonymous]

You really need to educate yourself on how the boundaries of schools like Langley, Annandale, and Lewis ended up drawn as they currently are before you go off pontificating at such lengths.

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Herndon's boundaries are pretty much the same as they have been for a very long time. No one complained about Herndon twenty years ago. It is the population that has changed--not the boundaries. No one and no developer "did this."

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Insane that we put developers over citizens in this county. School board grifters are going to grift I guess.

No one who was on the School Board when developers got favorable treatment decades ago to get certain areas assigned to Langley is still around, so the current members aren’t going to think of themselves as “grifters” or lose any sleep unwinding them now, if that’s what they decide to do.

They can consider themselves whatever they want. We all know they are hypocritical grifters from the same party that gave the developers more of our money only to pull the bait and switch. They should move their own kids’ schools as a sign of their devotion to the changes.

We don’t all know this. What party controlled county government and the then-appointed School Board decades ago when developers got the SB to assign little pockets of Herndon and Reston to Langley? Could have been back in the Jack Herrity days when Republicans were in charge.

You don't unde4stand. No building deal, no taxes. It made the neighborhoods more attractive to buyers and they were willing to pay a premium. Still are.

So no tax revenues from properties that aren’t zoned to Langley? You really do think you’re the center of them universe.

No. I live no where near Langley. I do know a family that moved there from my neighborhood when one of those developments along 7 was new. The husband had gone to Langley and wanted his kids to go there. If you don't they may a lot more taxes than I do, you are very mistaken.

[Anonymous]

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You really need to educate yourself on how the boundaries of schools like Langley, Annandale, and Lewis ended up drawn as they currently are before you go off pontificating at such lengths.

+1

Herndon's boundaries are pretty much the same as they have been for a very long time. No one complained about Herndon twenty years ago. It is the population that has changed--not the boundaries. No one and no developer "did this."

Wink wink. The developers have entered the chat.

I believe in families over developers, but I see the left has now embraced developers over families.

G.R.O.S.S.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You really need to educate yourself on how the boundaries of schools like Langley, Annandale, and Lewis ended up drawn as they currently are before you go off pontificating at such lengths.

+1

Herndon's boundaries are pretty much the same as they have been for a very long time. No one complained about Herndon twenty years ago. It is the population that has changed--not the boundaries. No one and no developer "did this."

Wink wink. The developers have entered the chat.

I believe in families over developers, but I see the left has now embraced developers over families.

G.R.O.S.S.

Please tell me what has changed in Herndon?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You really need to educate yourself on how the boundaries of schools like Langley, Annandale, and Lewis ended up drawn as they currently are before you go off pontificating at such lengths.

+1

Herndon's boundaries are pretty much the same as they have been for a very long time. No one complained about Herndon twenty years ago. It is the population that has changed--not the boundaries. No one and no developer "did this."

Wink wink. The developers have entered the chat.

I believe in families over developers, but I see the left has now embraced developers over families.

G.R.O.S.S.

Developers try to get the best deal they can regardless of who is in charge of county government or the SB. Claiming that potential boundary changes represent an embrace of developers is a straw-man argument.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:*developer deal

Insane that we put developers over citizens in this county. School board grifters are going to grift I guess.

No one who was on the School Board when developers got favorable treatment decades ago to get certain areas assigned to Langley is still around, so the current members aren’t going to think of themselves as “grifters” or lose any sleep unwinding them now, if that’s what they decide to do.

They can consider themselves whatever they want. We all know they are hypocritical grifters from the same party that gave the developers more of our money only to pull the bait and switch. They should move their own kids’ schools as a sign of their devotion to the changes.

We don’t all know this. What party controlled county government and the then-appointed School Board decades ago when developers got the SB to assign little pockets of Herndon and Reston to Langley? Could have been back in the Jack Herrity days when Republicans were in charge.

You don't unde4stand. No building deal, no taxes. It made the neighborhoods more attractive to buyers and they were willing to pay a premium. Still are.

So no tax revenues from properties that aren’t zoned to Langley? You really do think you’re the center of them universe.

No. I live no where near Langley. I do know a family that moved there from my neighborhood when one of those developments along 7 was new. The husband had gone to Langley and wanted his kids to go there. If you don't they may a lot more taxes than I do, you are very mistaken.

Many families zoned to Langley "live no where near Langley." That's one of the issues they are now addressing.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*developer deal

Insane that we put developers over citizens in this county. School board grifters are going to grift I guess.

No one who was on the School Board when developers got favorable treatment decades ago to get certain areas assigned to Langley is still around, so the current members aren’t going to think of themselves as “grifters” or lose any sleep unwinding them now, if that’s what they decide to do.

They can consider themselves whatever they want. We all know they are hypocritical grifters from the same party that gave the developers more of our money only to pull the bait and switch. They should move their own kids’ schools as a sign of their devotion to the changes.

We don’t all know this. What party controlled county government and the then-appointed School Board decades ago when developers got the SB to assign little pockets of Herndon and Reston to Langley? Could have been back in the Jack Herrity days when Republicans were in charge.

You don't unde4stand. No building deal, no taxes. It made the neighborhoods more attractive to buyers and they were willing to pay a premium. Still are.

So no tax revenues from properties that aren’t zoned to Langley? You really do think you’re the center of them universe.

No. I live no where near Langley. I do know a family that moved there from my neighborhood when one of those developments along 7 was new. The husband had gone to Langley and wanted his kids to go there. If you don't they may a lot more taxes than I do, you are very mistaken.

Many families zoned to Langley "live no where near Langley." That's one of the issues they are now addressing.

Well, i'm the one that posted that I live "no where near Langley." And, I live in Sully District. But, even I know that Langley kids had to come from somewhere. But, I can look at a map. And, if they go one way, they would encompass McLean High. The other way, makes them take Arlington kids. So, I can understand why they did what they did when they did it. Sure, things may have changed, but that is not the fault of the people who have lived there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*developer deal

Insane that we put developers over citizens in this county. School board grifters are going to grift I guess.

No one who was on the School Board when developers got favorable treatment decades ago to get certain areas assigned to Langley is still around, so the current members aren’t going to think of themselves as “grifters” or lose any sleep unwinding them now, if that’s what they decide to do.

They can consider themselves whatever they want. We all know they are hypocritical grifters from the same party that gave the developers more of our money only to pull the bait and switch. They should move their own kids’ schools as a sign of their devotion to the changes.

We don’t all know this. What party controlled county government and the then-appointed School Board decades ago when developers got the SB to assign little pockets of Herndon and Reston to Langley? Could have been back in the Jack Herrity days when Republicans were in charge.

You don't unde4stand. No building deal, no taxes. It made the neighborhoods more attractive to buyers and they were willing to pay a premium. Still are.

So no tax revenues from properties that aren’t zoned to Langley? You really do think you’re the center of them universe.

No. I live no where near Langley. I do know a family that moved there from my neighborhood when one of those developments along 7 was new. The husband had gone to Langley and wanted his kids to go there. If you don't they may a lot more taxes than I do, you are very mistaken.

Many families zoned to Langley "live no where near Langley." That's one of the issues they are now addressing.

Well, i'm the one that posted that I live "no where near Langley." And, I live in Sully District. But, even I know that Langley kids had to come from somewhere. But, I can look at a map. And, if they go one way, they would encompass McLean High. The other way, makes them take Arlington kids. So, I can understand why they did what they did when they did it. Sure, things may have changed, but that is not the fault of the people who have lived there.

Looking at a map and knowing the neighborhoods zoned to Langley and other schools is precisely what ought to tell you its boundaries are gerrymandered.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:*developer deal

Insane that we put developers over citizens in this county. School board grifters are going to grift I guess.

No one who was on the School Board when developers got favorable treatment decades ago to get certain areas assigned to Langley is still around, so the current members aren’t going to think of themselves as “grifters” or lose any sleep unwinding them now, if that’s what they decide to do.

They can consider themselves whatever they want. We all know they are hypocritical grifters from the same party that gave the developers more of our money only to pull the bait and switch. They should move their own kids’ schools as a sign of their devotion to the changes.

We don’t all know this. What party controlled county government and the then-appointed School Board decades ago when developers got the SB to assign little pockets of Herndon and Reston to Langley? Could have been back in the Jack Herrity days when Republicans were in charge.

You don't unde4stand. No building deal, no taxes. It made the neighborhoods more attractive to buyers and they were willing to pay a premium. Still are.

So no tax revenues from properties that aren’t zoned to Langley? You really do think you’re the center of them universe.

No. I live no where near Langley. I do know a family that moved there from my neighborhood when one of those developments along 7 was new. The husband had gone to Langley and wanted his kids to go there. If you don't they may a lot more taxes than I do, you are very mistaken.

Many families zoned to Langley "live no where near Langley." That's one of the issues they are now addressing.

Well, i'm the one that posted that I live "no where near Langley." And, I live in Sully District. But, even I know that Langley kids had to come from somewhere. But, I can look at a map. And, if they go one way, they would encompass McLean High. The other way, makes them take Arlington kids. So, I can understand why they did what they did when they did it. Sure, things may have changed, but that is not the fault of the people who have lived there.

Looking at a map and knowing the neighborhoods zoned to Langley and other schools is precisely what ought to tell you its boundaries are gerrymandered.

While, it is obvious what neighborhoods you are referring to--I assume you mean the ones on the other side of Rte 7, they do not appear to be large neighborhoods. I doubt that they would make a big difference. I guess those are the ones that were given approval by the BOS. But, some would not be in Herndon at any rate, but more likely some would be South Lakes.

Since I live in an area that was impacted by the gift/sale of property for the Western High school to the Saudis, I do agree that they probably should not have done that. However, they did. The developers will not be punished. It is the families who will be shifted when they had every reason to trust what they were told and what was approved by Fairfax County.

[Anonymous]

I don't understand why they didn't build a middle and high school in central GF. Then they could have pulled in areas of Herndon and Reston.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

You really need to educate yourself on how the boundaries of schools like Langley, Annandale, and Lewis ended up drawn as they currently are before you go off pontificating at such lengths.

+1

Herndon's boundaries are pretty much the same as they have been for a very long time. No one complained about Herndon twenty years ago. It is the population that has changed--not the boundaries. No one and no developer "did this."

Google Herndon High and gangs and see what you get back.

Don’t pretend Herndon was this sterling school tears ago.

I don’t have an issue with carve outs for the developers, but when there is a bait and switch then families are left holding the bag. These families likely would not have bought those homes if zoned to Herndon High.

The school board is taking from those families. Let’s call it what it is.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don't understand why they didn't build a middle and high school in central GF. Then they could have pulled in areas of Herndon and Reston.

It would have been a better location in theory, but isn't that area on septic? Great Falls is largely designed to keep development out, not bring it in.

The mistake was expanding Langley to almost 2400 seats during its renovation, when its enrollment had been steady at around 2000 for years. By adding capacity, they played into the hands of people living miles away and closer to other schools who continued to say "someone needs to go there."

At the time, they defended the expansion and said it was prudent for FCPS to expand any school getting renovated, even if the current enrollment didn't justify it. Their problem is that FCPS followed the same approach with Herndon, which now is projected to have more vacant seats than Langley. It was easy enough to justify bussing kids long distances to Langley when Herndon was overcrowded. When the opposite is the case, people will ask why they should have to continue to subsidize the long bus trips to Langley.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You really need to educate yourself on how the boundaries of schools like Langley, Annandale, and Lewis ended up drawn as they currently are before you go off pontificating at such lengths.

+1

Herndon's boundaries are pretty much the same as they have been for a very long time. No one complained about Herndon twenty years ago. It is the population that has changed--not the boundaries. No one and no developer "did this."

Google Herndon High and gangs and see what you get back.

Don’t pretend Herndon was this sterling school tears ago.

I don’t have an issue with carve outs for the developers, but when there is a bait and switch then families are left holding the bag. These families likely would not have bought those homes if zoned to Herndon High.

The school board is taking from those families. Let’s call it what it is.

No one is guaranteed assignment to a specific school in a county-wide school system. You cannot be deprived of something that was never yours in the first place.