Ukrainian victory over Russia is inevitable

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

This is accurate.

Unfortunately it doesn’t provide the dopamine hit of provoking people to respond so your post will get buried in the antisemitism re Zelenskyy.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

+1 people are trying to spin but it can only be seen as a huge win for the US. The cost has been minimal to the US treasury and the degradation to Russia has been significant. It will take decades for Russia to rebuild their military, and based on economics and demographics they likely will never fully rebuild.

This east has been devastating to Ukraine. But for the US this has been a huge victory, and if we continue assisting Ukraine it could be an even bigger victory. Let’s eliminate all of the old Soviet surplus armor (which was huge and built over 70 years) and ammunition!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

If this is even remotely true, then why is NATO pushing Ukraine to surrender rather than doubling down here? Why would NATO let Russia off the hook if Russia is losing so badly here at so little cost?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

+1 people are trying to spin but it can only be seen as a huge win for the US. The cost has been minimal to the US treasury and the degradation to Russia has been significant. It will take decades for Russia to rebuild their military, and based on economics and demographics they likely will never fully rebuild.

This east has been devastating to Ukraine. But for the US this has been a huge victory, and if we continue assisting Ukraine it could be an even bigger victory. Let’s eliminate all of the old Soviet surplus armor (which was huge and built over 70 years) and ammunition!

why would $113 billion (CNN) be considered “minimal”? LMAO

Russia has reallocated nearly a third of its commercial economy toward arms production.

Russian manufacturers are making up to 7 times as much ammunition as Western arms makers, Estonian defense official says (Reuters).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

+1 people are trying to spin but it can only be seen as a huge win for the US. The cost has been minimal to the US treasury and the degradation to Russia has been significant. It will take decades for Russia to rebuild their military, and based on economics and demographics they likely will never fully rebuild.

This east has been devastating to Ukraine. But for the US this has been a huge victory, and if we continue assisting Ukraine it could be an even bigger victory. Let’s eliminate all of the old Soviet surplus armor (which was huge and built over 70 years) and ammunition!

why would $113 billion (CNN) be considered “minimal”? LMAO

Russia has reallocated nearly a third of its commercial economy toward arms production.

Russian manufacturers are making up to 7 times as much ammunition as Western arms makers, Estonian defense official says (Reuters).

$113B is huge for Russia but we are taking about the US which has an almost 27T GDP. On 27T, that is just a decimal .113. I know people have a hard time with numbers that size but it really is a rounding error. About .4% and that is over a year and a half so even less if annualized.

Russia for comparison is spending north of 30% of GDP, and that is what is disclosed this an underestimate. An economy can’t function like that long term but they should be ok for another year or two with their reserves (although there are and will be more accumulating problems).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

+1 people are trying to spin but it can only be seen as a huge win for the US. The cost has been minimal to the US treasury and the degradation to Russia has been significant. It will take decades for Russia to rebuild their military, and based on economics and demographics they likely will never fully rebuild.

This east has been devastating to Ukraine. But for the US this has been a huge victory, and if we continue assisting Ukraine it could be an even bigger victory. Let’s eliminate all of the old Soviet surplus armor (which was huge and built over 70 years) and ammunition!

why would $113 billion (CNN) be considered “minimal”? LMAO

Russia has reallocated nearly a third of its commercial economy toward arms production.

Russian manufacturers are making up to 7 times as much ammunition as Western arms makers, Estonian defense official says (Reuters).

$113B is huge for Russia but we are taking about the US which has an almost 27T GDP. On 27T, that is just a decimal .113. I know people have a hard time with numbers that size but it really is a rounding error. About .4% and that is over a year and a half so even less if annualized.

Russia for comparison is spending north of 30% of GDP, and that is what is disclosed this an underestimate. An economy can’t function like that long term but they should be ok for another year or two with their reserves (although there are and will be more accumulating problems).

And Russia’s economy was ranked 11th globally BEFORE it invaded Ukraine in 2022. For context, if California were a country, it would be ranked 5th.

Russia is going to end up where it was when the Soviet Union imploded, but minus the intellectual capital, which has either left the country or has died.

[Anonymous]

The key line:
"True, a significant share of responsibility for the faith of an ordinary citizen in our quick and beautiful victory lies with me personally.

But then I do not run from this responsibility.

I created the illusion at the time for us to survive.

Today I destroy it so that we survive further."

Hard to read that as anything other than an admission that they were full on lying to the country and world about how they were doing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

+1 people are trying to spin but it can only be seen as a huge win for the US. The cost has been minimal to the US treasury and the degradation to Russia has been significant. It will take decades for Russia to rebuild their military, and based on economics and demographics they likely will never fully rebuild.

This east has been devastating to Ukraine. But for the US this has been a huge victory, and if we continue assisting Ukraine it could be an even bigger victory. Let’s eliminate all of the old Soviet surplus armor (which was huge and built over 70 years) and ammunition!

why would $113 billion (CNN) be considered “minimal”? LMAO

Russia has reallocated nearly a third of its commercial economy toward arms production.

Russian manufacturers are making up to 7 times as much ammunition as Western arms makers, Estonian defense official says (Reuters).

$113B is huge for Russia but we are taking about the US which has an almost 27T GDP. On 27T, that is just a decimal .113. I know people have a hard time with numbers that size but it really is a rounding error. About .4% and that is over a year and a half so even less if annualized.

Russia for comparison is spending north of 30% of GDP, and that is what is disclosed this an underestimate. An economy can’t function like that long term but they should be ok for another year or two with their reserves (although there are and will be more accumulating problems).

And Russia’s economy was ranked 11th globally BEFORE it invaded Ukraine in 2022. For context, if California were a country, it would be ranked 5th.

Russia is going to end up where it was when the Soviet Union imploded, but minus the intellectual capital, which has either left the country or has died.

“Russia's invasion of Ukraine has cost Moscow a small amount by historical standards, per the Economist.
Russia's spending remains opaque, but its war budget is about 3% of GDP.
By comparison, the Soviet Union spent 61% of GDP in World War II.“

3%, not 30%, silly wabbit

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

If this is even remotely true, then why is NATO pushing Ukraine to surrender rather than doubling down here? Why would NATO let Russia off the hook if Russia is losing so badly here at so little cost?

What do you mean if this is remotely true? It is absolutely true. What's not said above is that the Russian Black Sea Navy is also crippled and cannot operate effectively in this region any more. They just lost one of their most advanced ships, capable of firing Kalibr cruise missiles, this weekend. These ships cannot be easily replaced (if at all). The West also got the benefit of seeing Russian military "tactics" (being generous here) in action for the past two years.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

If this is even remotely true, then why is NATO pushing Ukraine to surrender rather than doubling down here? Why would NATO let Russia off the hook if Russia is losing so badly here at so little cost?

What do you mean if this is remotely true? It is absolutely true. What's not said above is that the Russian Black Sea Navy is also crippled and cannot operate effectively in this region any more. They just lost one of their most advanced ships, capable of firing Kalibr cruise missiles, this weekend. These ships cannot be easily replaced (if at all). The West also got the benefit of seeing Russian military "tactics" (being generous here) in action for the past two years.

So why stop then? Why not spend 2x and basically finish off Russia militarily?

[Anonymous]

I just find the fact that Russia lost 300k men and has thousands of violent criminals back in society committing more crimes against Russians humorous.

The fact that 1m educated males fled just leaves the dumb barbarians to get wiped out.

It’s like Russia developed the “easy button” to destroy itself and pushed it.

The west just gets to enjoy the show.

[Anonymous]

Hah, USNews put out new military power rankings and put Russia in as #1. Is this USNews standard attempt to generate interest, or has Russia really gotten that much more powerful?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/strong-military

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^ the spinning on Biden losing another war has begun.

I guess it’s over.

Russia's invasion of Ukraine has been a huge win for the US. We've spent about 5 percent of the defense budget on this. And most of that was transferring older weapons systems that were due to be decommissioned regardless. In return, we've seen Russia, our most significant adversary over the past 80 years, get absolutely wrecked on the battlefield. The've lost well more than half of their military capabilities. They've literally lost thousands of tanks. Their casualty count is approximating 300,000. Their economy will be shattered for years. A brain drain has already happened. Russia is completely crippled. There is no coming back from this. Meanwhile, NATO is stronger than ever. Even Finland and Sweden joined. There is no risk at all of Russia invading any other European country. And that is no small thing. Russia's miscalculation has been a gift to the West. Biden has handled this really well.

If this is even remotely true, then why is NATO pushing Ukraine to surrender rather than doubling down here? Why would NATO let Russia off the hook if Russia is losing so badly here at so little cost?

What do you mean if this is remotely true? It is absolutely true. What's not said above is that the Russian Black Sea Navy is also crippled and cannot operate effectively in this region any more. They just lost one of their most advanced ships, capable of firing Kalibr cruise missiles, this weekend. These ships cannot be easily replaced (if at all). The West also got the benefit of seeing Russian military "tactics" (being generous here) in action for the past two years.

So why stop then? Why not spend 2x and basically finish off Russia militarily?

Well, part of the issue is that the MAGA contingent is beholden to Trump's foreign policy of peeing on models and getting overseas real estate deals. So how to navigate that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hah, USNews put out new military power rankings and put Russia in as #1. Is this USNews standard attempt to generate interest, or has Russia really gotten that much more powerful?
https://www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/rankings/strong-military

Ehhh, they couldn't take the capital of their neighbor and accomplished a whole lot of nothing, really. The best use for this ranking is to print it out and use it next time you're in the bathroom...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I just find the fact that Russia lost 300k men and has thousands of violent criminals back in society committing more crimes against Russians humorous.

The fact that 1m educated males fled just leaves the dumb barbarians to get wiped out.

It’s like Russia developed the “easy button” to destroy itself and pushed it.

The west just gets to enjoy the show.

I keep wondering where this 300K number comes from, but then it struck me that they simply taking the Ukrainian casualties and attributing them to Russia.

For example:

Note that the date is in "metric"