What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Here's 2 hikers who died (separately) of heat stroke in Death Valley. Similar weather conditions but no uphill hiking involved.

This time with the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/second-death-in-death-valley-after-another-hiker-suffers-suspected-heat-stroke/ar-AANLZmq?ocid=uxbndlbing

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ALSO the 'we don't think they were murdered' line is not just coming from the dad's dad, its also coming from the sheriff's office:

A Mariposa County Sheriff's office spokesperson tells PEOPLE that while investigators "haven't ruled out anything," they are not focusing on a potential homicide.

"Murder is not high on our list," the spokesperson said.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/relatives-calif-family-mysteriously-died-000522007.html

I guess I took this to mean they don’t think there’s a murder on the loose who attacked them on the trail. I didn’t take it to mean they’d ruled out FA.

Exactly, they say that so people won't panic. I know it's horrible for the family to comprehend, but there is only one logical explanation. Authorities did not release all their information. It's FA.

You are reading a plain statement very strangely. Not murder means not murder, including not murder-suicide.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ALSO the 'we don't think they were murdered' line is not just coming from the dad's dad, its also coming from the sheriff's office:

A Mariposa County Sheriff's office spokesperson tells PEOPLE that while investigators "haven't ruled out anything," they are not focusing on a potential homicide.

"Murder is not high on our list," the spokesperson said.

https://ca.news.yahoo.com/relatives-calif-family-mysteriously-died-000522007.html

I guess I took this to mean they don’t think there’s a murder on the loose who attacked them on the trail. I didn’t take it to mean they’d ruled out FA.

Murder/suicide involves murder so if they say murder isn't high on their list....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's 2 hikers who died (separately) of heat stroke in Death Valley. Similar weather conditions but no uphill hiking involved.

This time with the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/second-death-in-death-valley-after-another-hiker-suffers-suspected-heat-stroke/ar-AANLZmq?ocid=uxbndlbing

And both deaths clearly and immediately labeled as likely exposure and case closed after small cursory investigation. Which would have been the case if it looked like this is what happened here.

It wasn't two hikers hiking together who died almost simultaneously 1.5 miles from their car.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

It homicides are very rare. 95% of intentional deaths in national parks are from suicide.

Not that rare, and I do not believe that all people who "fall" off of cliffs were not pushed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's 2 hikers who died (separately) of heat stroke in Death Valley. Similar weather conditions but no uphill hiking involved.

This time with the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/second-death-in-death-valley-after-another-hiker-suffers-suspected-heat-stroke/ar-AANLZmq?ocid=uxbndlbing

And both deaths clearly and immediately labeled as likely exposure and case closed after small cursory investigation. Which would have been the case if it looked like this is what happened here.

It wasn't two hikers hiking together who died almost simultaneously 1.5 miles from their car.

Distance to a car is completely irrelevant.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's 2 hikers who died (separately) of heat stroke in Death Valley. Similar weather conditions but no uphill hiking involved.

This time with the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/second-death-in-death-valley-after-another-hiker-suffers-suspected-heat-stroke/ar-AANLZmq?ocid=uxbndlbing

And both deaths clearly and immediately labeled as likely exposure and case closed after small cursory investigation. Which would have been the case if it looked like this is what happened here.

It wasn't two hikers hiking together who died almost simultaneously 1.5 miles from their car.

The article says they're still investigating the cause of death. Heatstroke was initially suspected by the individuals who discovered the body and was then reported by the media.

[Anonymous]

I'll wait for Dateline to unravel this story for me.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's 2 hikers who died (separately) of heat stroke in Death Valley. Similar weather conditions but no uphill hiking involved.

This time with the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/second-death-in-death-valley-after-another-hiker-suffers-suspected-heat-stroke/ar-AANLZmq?ocid=uxbndlbing

And both deaths clearly and immediately labeled as likely exposure and case closed after small cursory investigation. Which would have been the case if it looked like this is what happened here.

It wasn't two hikers hiking together who died almost simultaneously 1.5 miles from their car.

Distance to a car is completely irrelevant.

+1 Based on the info we have, we don’t know if they did a loop of 6 or 7 miles,, a down and back, or something else. We do know that the fastest way back to their truck from the location where the bodies were found is a steep incline with elevation gains variously reported as 1500 or 2000 ft over that distance.

[Anonymous]

https://rescue911.fandom.com/wiki/Heatstroke_Hiker (text version of a tv show from 1990)

19-yo girl almost dies of heatstroke on a short hike near Las Vegas while hiking back down to their car.

I've been to Red Rock in August and went maybe half a mile in before turning around. It's no joke when it's that hot and there is no shade regardless of how much water you have.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Here's 2 hikers who died (separately) of heat stroke in Death Valley. Similar weather conditions but no uphill hiking involved.

This time with the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/second-death-in-death-valley-after-another-hiker-suffers-suspected-heat-stroke/ar-AANLZmq?ocid=uxbndlbing

And both deaths clearly and immediately labeled as likely exposure and case closed after small cursory investigation. Which would have been the case if it looked like this is what happened here.

It wasn't two hikers hiking together who died almost simultaneously 1.5 miles from their car.

There's little evidence of it being simultaneous. Likely, hours apart.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.

"From 2007 to 2018, there were a total of 2,727 at a U.S. National Parks site. "

So over 12 years, 227 deaths/year. Or generously, one per day across the entire US park system. It happens, but that is not common. The risk is negligible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I don’t think “it was only 1.5 miles to the car” is a simple statement. It was 1.5 grueling steep uphill hike in very hot weather. With a dog and an infant in a carrier.

Which makes a third party killing even more unlikely.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.

"From 2007 to 2018, there were a total of 2,727 at a U.S. National Parks site. "

So over 12 years, 227 deaths/year. Or generously, one per day across the entire US park system. It happens, but that is not common. The risk is negligible.

My point is not that murders in parks don't happen. They happen. But its with the easiest weapon and method available. Not some expensive assassin that needs to leave no trail for a SAHM and a Snapchat employee.