What happened to this California family?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.

Not to play Devil’s advocate but OJ Simpson comes to mind..

[Anonymous]

Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.

Not to play Devil’s advocate but OJ Simpson comes to mind..

That is exactly the point - Nicole Brown was viciously stabbed and slashed.

A crime of passion. This family has no markings of assault - stabs, shot, or beaten.

The easiest method of killing is always the preference unless a lot of money is involved to make it look accidental.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

Check the mother’s Instagram. They were adventure seekers with at least three trips to deserts in the last five years.

Maybe they didn’t think it was a big deal or maybe they wanted to acclimate the baby to heat as soon as possible so they could get back to their ‘normal’ life.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Here's 2 hikers who died (separately) of heat stroke in Death Valley. Similar weather conditions but no uphill hiking involved.

This time with the link

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/second-death-in-death-valley-after-another-hiker-suffers-suspected-heat-stroke/ar-AANLZmq?ocid=uxbndlbing

And both deaths clearly and immediately labeled as likely exposure and case closed after small cursory investigation. Which would have been the case if it looked like this is what happened here.

It wasn't two hikers hiking together who died almost simultaneously 1.5 miles from their car.

Distance to a car is completely irrelevant.

+1 Based on the info we have, we don’t know if they did a loop of 6 or 7 miles,, a down and back, or something else. We do know that the fastest way back to their truck from the location where the bodies were found is a steep incline with elevation gains variously reported as 1500 or 2000 ft over that distance.

That kind of incline has to be pretty tough even for seasoned hikers. I recently did a short hike that was 1.1 miles to the top with 700 feet of elevation gain and it was moderately strenuous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

It was only in the 70s-80s for most of the morning. With no humidity that’s nothing. We frequently hiked with our babies on weekend mornings, and went home for lunch/nap before 11 AM.

Babies are often up at 5 or 6 am, they could have gone out super early.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

I still don’t buy that theory though. If something happened it had to have been truly catastrophic, because I don’t think it hit 100 until after noon. So something terrible enough to cause them to be delayed many many hours happened, but yet that terrible thing was in no way evident on the bodies?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

It was only in the 70s-80s for most of the morning. With no humidity that’s nothing. We frequently hiked with our babies on weekend mornings, and went home for lunch/nap before 11 AM.

Babies are often up at 5 or 6 am, they could have gone out super early.

You are not correct re the temperature from what has been reported, and we don’t know when they left. LE initially said afternoon. Here are the readings that Sunday from El Portal, just a couple miles away, but at a higher (cooler) elevation than where they were found:

6:51AM 73F 49%
7:51AM 77°F 47%
8:51AM 85°F 37%
9:51AM 92°F 28%
10:51AM 99°F 22%
11:51AM 103°F 20%
12:51PM 107°F 17%
1:51PM 108°F 16%
2:51PM 109°F 16%
3:51PM 107°F 18%
4:51PM 105°F 19%
5:51PM 101°F 22%
6:51PM 98°F 24%
7:51PM 94°F 28%

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

Check the mother’s Instagram. They were adventure seekers with at least three trips to deserts in the last five years.

Maybe they didn’t think it was a big deal or maybe they wanted to acclimate the baby to heat as soon as possible so they could get back to their ‘normal’ life.

I do not think it was an ergo. You can use those with a 1 year old, but not for a hike. The hiking style packs are better suited for heat.

I support the morning hike that got delayed theory. I seriously doubt they were "acclimating the baby to heat", that is about as likely as a boulder.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Weighing in here to say people get murdered in parks ALL THE TIME and this was close to the car, where someone could have parked and lay in wait. I realize the sheriff said it's not high on their list (and the dad's father repeated that), but I am putting in a vote for 3rd party murder.

I realize there are no bullet holes or stab wounds. What about chloroform rag to the mouth, passing out, then heat stroke?

There is zero chance 4 beings succumb to heat stroke simultaneously. I have never heard of a CO cloud--sounds like quicksand or something from a comic book/70s TV show.

.... Is that really true? All the time? Plus, this isn't like they were camping in some frequented park and were killed by a crazy. It would have to be targeted.

There is no way a '3rd party murderer' is waiting in 110F heat to chloroform someone, let alone struggle with two adults and a dog to do it.

These people aren't worth the cost of hiring an assassin that would both have the experience to kill in that manner and was willing to do it in 100F weather.

Easier to put a bullet in each skull.

Not to play Devil’s advocate but OJ Simpson comes to mind..

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Because he committed such a smooth, flawless, leave-no-trace murder? Lol

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

Check the mother’s Instagram. They were adventure seekers with at least three trips to deserts in the last five years.

Maybe they didn’t think it was a big deal or maybe they wanted to acclimate the baby to heat as soon as possible so they could get back to their ‘normal’ life.

My family hiked in Acadia this summer. On an iron rung hike, we passed a woman with a baby on her back. I don’t know if she actually finished the hike but I do think people exercise questionable judgment all.the.time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can we back up and talk about why someone might put a baby in a carrier and head out into that heat? I had my babies in May in DC and I didn’t use the ergo that summer when it was too hot because I was worried they would overheat with my body heat. I realize it’s a hiking pack, but still. Seems VERY reckless.

This supports the theory that a short (likely morning) hike was planned and something happened to keep them out there longer into the day than expected.

It was only in the 70s-80s for most of the morning. With no humidity that’s nothing. We frequently hiked with our babies on weekend mornings, and went home for lunch/nap before 11 AM.

Babies are often up at 5 or 6 am, they could have gone out super early.

You are not correct re the temperature from what has been reported, and we don’t know when they left. LE initially said afternoon. Here are the readings that Sunday from El Portal, just a couple miles away, but at a higher (cooler) elevation than where they were found:

6:51AM 73F 49%
7:51AM 77°F 47%
8:51AM 85°F 37%
9:51AM 92°F 28%
10:51AM 99°F 22%
11:51AM 103°F 20%
12:51PM 107°F 17%
1:51PM 108°F 16%
2:51PM 109°F 16%
3:51PM 107°F 18%
4:51PM 105°F 19%
5:51PM 101°F 22%
6:51PM 98°F 24%
7:51PM 94°F 28%

Ok I’m the PP who’s been saying it wasn’t that hot in the morning. I stand corrected. This is pretty hot. This data is different from what I saw reported earlier. After seeing this, heat stroke does seem more possible (though I’m still in the FA camp).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://rescue911.fandom.com/wiki/Heatstroke_Hiker (text version of a tv show from 1990)

19-yo girl almost dies of heatstroke on a short hike near Las Vegas while hiking back down to their car.

I've been to Red Rock in August and went maybe half a mile in before turning around. It's no joke when it's that hot and there is no shade regardless of how much water you have.

Yes. When I was in grand canyon, rangers were going around reminding people not to get too ambitious, because all the hikes there feel so easy at first (as you go into the canyon and it is cool...), but then you have to climb back up, and it is hotter.

[Anonymous]

I love how dcum is like, 2 adults having heatstroke on the same hot day is too much of a stretch. I think it was a total stranger sneaking up and chloroforming them for no reason.