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I know this sounds ridiculous but hey it's the truth. My school changed all the bathroom so they were available to all, which I agree with at the time, but to be honest most of them became a pissy mess and they were no longer stocked with female hygiene products or had the lotion etc that various women would donate to keep the bathroom lookin and smelling nice. Most women I know hated going to the bathroom and before entering we always had a discussion about how gross it had become, whether it was okay to go in, the condition etc! After we wished we had advocated for a women only bathroom even if it was just a couple, so that we didn't have to share it with men! I wouldn't mind whether trans-women used it or not as long as everyone respects that men's plumbing is different than women's! |
Are you also concerned about the erasure of lesbian spaces during Pride? Lesbians are being barred from marching because it’s exclusive. This is really how upside down things are. Pride is banning lesbians. Let that sink in. https://www.feministcurrent.com/?s=Pride+%2B+lesbian+ |
It's not just a plumbing issue. There is literally nothing preventing a person with male plumbing from sitting on a toilet for both pee and poop or preventing them from thoughtfully stocking moisturizers and hygiene products if they use them. It's a socialization issue -- women are socialized to be the caretakers and men the taken-care-of. |
Yes great post except the cis-woman, I was part of the women's movement not the cis-women's movement, let me call myself woman! I refuse to change my name of identification and am not calling my self cis anything, nor are most women on women's study courses in universities worldwide. Otherwise this is a well-thought out and reasonable post! |
There is nothing to prevent them, I'm just telling you what happened and how disgusting the bathrooms got. Most women I know would prefer a female bathroom, especially when menstruating. If you don't that's fine, but why can't we have at least one or two for women only? |
I wasn't disagreeing with you on that point -- just saying it's a men issue, not a plumbing issue. |
This makes no sense. Lesbians are being silenced. Here it is from the article. "After a petition demanding lesbian YouTuber Arielle Scarcella be no-platformed from a panel called Les-Talk, one of the events featured at Sydney Mardi Gras, the local Pride parade and festival, the event was removed from Pride. Trans activists began a petition demanding Scarcella be removed on account of her view that it is not “transphobic” for lesbians to not be attracted to trans-identified males." |
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I'm not against trans access to bathrooms when the woman is actually trans. I am against totally integrated bathrooms. Women get raped in public bathrooms as it is, without the added complication of men being allowed to hang out in them.
I went to The Prisoner Winery in Napa, which was great. But they have one large (but beautiful) bathroom and the toilets have floor to ceiling doors, meaning that once you're in the stall no one can see your feet. I was terrified and washed my hands as fast as I could and ran out. I'm not afraid of trans women. I'm afraid of rapists and I avoid any place they may have a tactical advantage. |
I agree. |
+1 My DH is civilized and sits to pee in our house (or someone else's). But very few men do that, even though they all could. It's the height of rudeness and filth to stand there and spray your bodily fluids several feet and expect others to deal with the mess you leave behind. (A black light proves that droplets end up EVERYWHERE - all over the walls and floor, even when the man "has good aim") And yes, historically the people cleaning up that mess have been women. |
I hope you're happy. Some of us knew what would happen and tried to prevent it, and then had to deal with clueless people like you calling us all sorts of horrible names and accusing us of things just because we don't want filthy bathrooms. |
I think you're actually right. How depressing
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Yes, this seems to be at least part of it. It seems the definition of "woman" or "female" has now been modified to include both XX and XY. Gender is all about inclusivity now instead of being descriptive, so the meaning gets buried. |
I thought that article was interesting. It demonstrates a lack of understanding that men and women are wired over tens of thousands of years of evolution to be sexually attracted to the opposite sex. Usually, trans people do not look like a non-trans person of the sex that they're changing into. They can wear whatever clothes and get breast implants and plaster whatever amount of makeup on their face but there are usually a lot of subtle and not-so-subtle differences. It's also lacking the understanding that men and women usually find the opposite sex's genitalia - and the way it functions biologically - to be sexually attractive. I'm not sure how good the surgeries are these days but I'd be shocked if someone couldn't tell the difference. Frankly, I think the article comes across as clueless and entitled. And when I read it again with the context that the PP mentions, I see that it's even worse. Nobody owes anyone an explanation. And frankly, it really comes across as very "male" to insist that someone should date someone even if they're not into it. I've never heard a woman imply that a man should date her even when he doesn't want to for ANY reason, it's just something that men tend to pressure women into. |