Meghan and Prince Harry are moving to the U.S./Canada - OFFICIAL

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Anonymous wrote:It's fascinating (and telling) that most people are harping much more on Meghan's family dysfunction, and not Harry's. Even with what we DO know (and no doubt there are still many, many family secrets), Harry's seems far more filled with issues than Meghan's.

Perhaps these two found comfort in each other, and relate to each other. Good for them for wanting to distance themselves from the drama and change things going forward.

yes!! GREAT for them! But then give back the titles, the IG handle, the website, the things paid for by the Duchy (pretty much everything) and go on your way.
No one is saying they shouldn't leave. It is more like, you want leave? Ok. Leave the perks at the door. Thanks!

That sounds like a formality. They're not going to be able to shed the association no matter what, it's permanently attached forever. And they haven't even moved yet.

The difference is if they are stripped of titles they can't use them in the future (you know, to profit off of them). The monarchy OWNS the titles and H and M shouldln't benefity financially going forward by using them. If people associate them with it fine. But THEY shouldn't keep the IG handle nad website with Sussex Royal. They don't want that life i thought?

But that’s true of any of the non working royals. And how exactly do you directly monetize a title?

Using the offical title on things like IG, blogs, websites and getting money from advertising. Really? Do you not know how branding and social media work no days?

That's not royalty. That's celebrity.

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Anonymous wrote:It's fascinating (and telling) that most people are harping much more on Meghan's family dysfunction, and not Harry's. Even with what we DO know (and no doubt there are still many, many family secrets), Harry's seems far more filled with issues than Meghan's.

Perhaps these two found comfort in each other, and relate to each other. Good for them for wanting to distance themselves from the drama and change things going forward.

yes!! GREAT for them! But then give back the titles, the IG handle, the website, the things paid for by the Duchy (pretty much everything) and go on your way.
No one is saying they shouldn't leave. It is more like, you want leave? Ok. Leave the perks at the door. Thanks!

That sounds like a formality. They're not going to be able to shed the association no matter what, it's permanently attached forever. And they haven't even moved yet.

The difference is if they are stripped of titles they can't use them in the future (you know, to profit off of them). The monarchy OWNS the titles and H and M shouldln't benefity financially going forward by using them. If people associate them with it fine. But THEY shouldn't keep the IG handle nad website with Sussex Royal. They don't want that life i thought?

But that’s true of any of the non working royals. And how exactly do you directly monetize a title?

Using the offical title on things like IG, blogs, websites and getting money from advertising. Really? Do you not know how branding and social media work no days?

That's not royalty. That's celebrity.

Basically proved pp point. Lol

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they setting up residence in two separate countries if they are so concerned about climate change...with air travel being a key contributor to that...

Yes, as long as we're judging their decision that was the only part that rankled to me. They just renovated that Frogmore House for $3 million at taxpayer expense and now they're moving, but also keeping that house in the UK so they have somewhere to come back to when they visit? I know they're rich, but what a waste.

They don't own that estate and probably had no say in it except some input on the design. No one probably asked them what they wanted and they were told this is where they are living.

If that’s the case, then give it up and let someone else live there. There’s no need for them to keep it as an expensive taxpayer funded British second home

You should read their website. It covers the renovation costs at Frogmore (paid for by the Queen, not taxpayer funds). ‘They’ (meaning the stipend from Charles, paid for the interior design. Granted, this is their side of the story, so who knows.

That being said, yes, they will only be permitted to call Frogmore home if the queen allows it. The spin on the site is well done. The theme is essentially ‘we would like our cake and eat it too, and ensure our son is duly recognized as a senior royal.

Harry's not even the spare anymore. The minute Charlotte was born he became a nobody in terms of lineage. He is literally Andrew of the family.

And yet even Andrew retains his titles and a property given by the Queen. Oh and his married daughter lives in housing provided by the Queen. Same goes for Anne. This is the system. If you don’t think that random non-working royals should retain titles and use of properties then that should be true of everyone besides the direct line of succession.

1. Anne is a working Royal (her children are not) and do not have titles
2. You think Andrew's children should be punished because he is a creep?
3. I hate Andrew and 100% think he should be stripped of his titles and perks, but don't think his kids should

Regardless of his behavior, Andrew's kids are not working royals.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they setting up residence in two separate countries if they are so concerned about climate change...with air travel being a key contributor to that...

Yes, as long as we're judging their decision that was the only part that rankled to me. They just renovated that Frogmore House for $3 million at taxpayer expense and now they're moving, but also keeping that house in the UK so they have somewhere to come back to when they visit? I know they're rich, but what a waste.

They don't own that estate and probably had no say in it except some input on the design. No one probably asked them what they wanted and they were told this is where they are living.

If that’s the case, then give it up and let someone else live there. There’s no need for them to keep it as an expensive taxpayer funded British second home

You should read their website. It covers the renovation costs at Frogmore (paid for by the Queen, not taxpayer funds). ‘They’ (meaning the stipend from Charles, paid for the interior design. Granted, this is their side of the story, so who knows.

That being said, yes, they will only be permitted to call Frogmore home if the queen allows it. The spin on the site is well done. The theme is essentially ‘we would like our cake and eat it too, and ensure our son is duly recognized as a senior royal.

Harry's not even the spare anymore. The minute Charlotte was born he became a nobody in terms of lineage. He is literally Andrew of the family.

And yet even Andrew retains his titles and a property given by the Queen. Oh and his married daughter lives in housing provided by the Queen. Same goes for Anne. This is the system. If you don’t think that random non-working royals should retain titles and use of properties then that should be true of everyone besides the direct line of succession.

1. Anne is a working Royal (her children are not) and do not have titles
2. You think Andrew's children should be punished because he is a creep?
3. I hate Andrew and 100% think he should be stripped of his titles and perks, but don't think his kids should

1. Anne’s children don’t have titles because she’s a woman and daughters of the monarch don’t pass on titles. Look it up.
2. I don’t. I just think there is no rational argument that Harry should be stripped of his titles by virtue of no longer being a working royal when his cousins who have never been working royals retain their titles. Either this is a system they stick to or they do something else but you can’t just strip titles when you don’t like someone.
3. I agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they setting up residence in two separate countries if they are so concerned about climate change...with air travel being a key contributor to that...

Yes, as long as we're judging their decision that was the only part that rankled to me. They just renovated that Frogmore House for $3 million at taxpayer expense and now they're moving, but also keeping that house in the UK so they have somewhere to come back to when they visit? I know they're rich, but what a waste.

They don't own that estate and probably had no say in it except some input on the design. No one probably asked them what they wanted and they were told this is where they are living.

If that’s the case, then give it up and let someone else live there. There’s no need for them to keep it as an expensive taxpayer funded British second home

You should read their website. It covers the renovation costs at Frogmore (paid for by the Queen, not taxpayer funds). ‘They’ (meaning the stipend from Charles, paid for the interior design. Granted, this is their side of the story, so who knows.

That being said, yes, they will only be permitted to call Frogmore home if the queen allows it. The spin on the site is well done. The theme is essentially ‘we would like our cake and eat it too, and ensure our son is duly recognized as a senior royal.

Harry's not even the spare anymore. The minute Charlotte was born he became a nobody in terms of lineage. He is literally Andrew of the family.

And yet even Andrew retains his titles and a property given by the Queen. Oh and his married daughter lives in housing provided by the Queen. Same goes for Anne. This is the system. If you don’t think that random non-working royals should retain titles and use of properties then that should be true of everyone besides the direct line of succession.

1. Anne is a working Royal (her children are not) and do not have titles
2. You think Andrew's children should be punished because he is a creep?
3. I hate Andrew and 100% think he should be stripped of his titles and perks, but don't think his kids should

Regardless of his behavior, Andrew's kids are not working royals.

I think they want to be working royals but Charles wants to nudge them out to the land of freedom. There was some talk about this last year when apparently Andrew wanted to ensure their future as working royals (with the housing and allowances) and the Palace was saying, errr, let's talk.

I know this thread is on the 40th page and no matter what people think about Meghan and Harry individually, surely we must agree the way they made the announcement seems a bit crass? Apparently the palace (Charles and granny) were not notified in advance.... which is very bad form.

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Anonymous wrote:It's fascinating (and telling) that most people are harping much more on Meghan's family dysfunction, and not Harry's. Even with what we DO know (and no doubt there are still many, many family secrets), Harry's seems far more filled with issues than Meghan's.

Perhaps these two found comfort in each other, and relate to each other. Good for them for wanting to distance themselves from the drama and change things going forward.

yes!! GREAT for them! But then give back the titles, the IG handle, the website, the things paid for by the Duchy (pretty much everything) and go on your way.
No one is saying they shouldn't leave. It is more like, you want leave? Ok. Leave the perks at the door. Thanks!

Read their Funding post. They are giving up all the financial perks with the exception of continuing to reside in Frogmore Cottage, if the Queen allows, while they are in the U.K. They are splitting their time, not leaving completely, so that they can still do things to support the Queen and continue to work with their patronages. As such, it appropriate they keep their titles, but they are "taking" anything else anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't appreciate and look forward to the financial opportunities that will open to them with this move, but it sounds like they are really motivated by a desire to do more substantive work in terms of philanthropy and such. One of the articles linked earlier by a Meghan critic said the couple seemed bored by the ceremonial stuff like ribbon cuttings. Both Meghan and Harry have pretty well developed world views and a strong work ethic. I don't think they like having to be so apolitical about everything. Their IG post makes it sound like they are going to throw themselves into more serious work than the PR and ceremonial stuff that necessarily takes up so much of their official royal duties.

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Anonymous wrote:Why are they setting up residence in two separate countries if they are so concerned about climate change...with air travel being a key contributor to that...

Yes, as long as we're judging their decision that was the only part that rankled to me. They just renovated that Frogmore House for $3 million at taxpayer expense and now they're moving, but also keeping that house in the UK so they have somewhere to come back to when they visit? I know they're rich, but what a waste.

They don't own that estate and probably had no say in it except some input on the design. No one probably asked them what they wanted and they were told this is where they are living.

If that’s the case, then give it up and let someone else live there. There’s no need for them to keep it as an expensive taxpayer funded British second home

You should read their website. It covers the renovation costs at Frogmore (paid for by the Queen, not taxpayer funds). ‘They’ (meaning the stipend from Charles, paid for the interior design. Granted, this is their side of the story, so who knows.

That being said, yes, they will only be permitted to call Frogmore home if the queen allows it. The spin on the site is well done. The theme is essentially ‘we would like our cake and eat it too, and ensure our son is duly recognized as a senior royal.

Harry's not even the spare anymore. The minute Charlotte was born he became a nobody in terms of lineage. He is literally Andrew of the family.

And yet even Andrew retains his titles and a property given by the Queen. Oh and his married daughter lives in housing provided by the Queen. Same goes for Anne. This is the system. If you don’t think that random non-working royals should retain titles and use of properties then that should be true of everyone besides the direct line of succession.

1. Anne is a working Royal (her children are not) and do not have titles
2. You think Andrew's children should be punished because he is a creep?
3. I hate Andrew and 100% think he should be stripped of his titles and perks, but don't think his kids should

1. Anne’s children don’t have titles because she’s a woman and daughters of the monarch don’t pass on titles. Look it up.
2. I don’t. I just think there is no rational argument that Harry should be stripped of his titles by virtue of no longer being a working royal when his cousins who have never been working royals retain their titles. Either this is a system they stick to or they do something else but you can’t just strip titles when you don’t like someone.
3. I agree.

You are right that Anne doesn't have a title that bestows titles on her children. But Anne's children were offered titles by the Queen. She refused them because wisely observed, even back in the 1970s, that it'd be better for them not to have it, as it'd make it easier to have private lives.

The Wessexes children have titles because they automatically get them because of their father, but they take the precedence of an earl's children and their future is not working royalty.

Harry will not be stripped of his titles. He will just not receive an allowance from the royal purse in exchange for not having royal duties. He will still be duke of Sussex and Prince Harry. That never goes away.

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Anonymous wrote:It's fascinating (and telling) that most people are harping much more on Meghan's family dysfunction, and not Harry's. Even with what we DO know (and no doubt there are still many, many family secrets), Harry's seems far more filled with issues than Meghan's.

Perhaps these two found comfort in each other, and relate to each other. Good for them for wanting to distance themselves from the drama and change things going forward.

yes!! GREAT for them! But then give back the titles, the IG handle, the website, the things paid for by the Duchy (pretty much everything) and go on your way.
No one is saying they shouldn't leave. It is more like, you want leave? Ok. Leave the perks at the door. Thanks!

Read their Funding post. They are giving up all the financial perks with the exception of continuing to reside in Frogmore Cottage, if the Queen allows, while they are in the U.K. They are splitting their time, not leaving completely, so that they can still do things to support the Queen and continue to work with their patronages. As such, it appropriate they keep their titles, but they are "taking" anything else anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't appreciate and look forward to the financial opportunities that will open to them with this move, but it sounds like they are really motivated by a desire to do more substantive work in terms of philanthropy and such. One of the articles linked earlier by a Meghan critic said the couple seemed bored by the ceremonial stuff like ribbon cuttings. Both Meghan and Harry have pretty well developed world views and a strong work ethic. I don't think they like having to be so apolitical about everything. Their IG post makes it sound like they are going to throw themselves into more serious work than the PR and ceremonial stuff that necessarily takes up so much of their official royal duties.

I doubt it's quite so simple. They are certainly not giving up the security, which runs into the millions every year. Who pays for that, the British taxpayer or themselves?

Frogmore Cottage is also funded by the taxpayer. It just had a 2.7 million renovation. Paid for by the taxpayer.

So it's much more complicated than you might want to think.

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More serious things like trademarking Sussex Royal and stamping it on a bunch of crap that will end up in landfills?

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Anonymous wrote:It's fascinating (and telling) that most people are harping much more on Meghan's family dysfunction, and not Harry's. Even with what we DO know (and no doubt there are still many, many family secrets), Harry's seems far more filled with issues than Meghan's.

Perhaps these two found comfort in each other, and relate to each other. Good for them for wanting to distance themselves from the drama and change things going forward.

yes!! GREAT for them! But then give back the titles, the IG handle, the website, the things paid for by the Duchy (pretty much everything) and go on your way.
No one is saying they shouldn't leave. It is more like, you want leave? Ok. Leave the perks at the door. Thanks!

Read their Funding post. They are giving up all the financial perks with the exception of continuing to reside in Frogmore Cottage, if the Queen allows, while they are in the U.K. They are splitting their time, not leaving completely, so that they can still do things to support the Queen and continue to work with their patronages. As such, it appropriate they keep their titles, but they are "taking" anything else anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't appreciate and look forward to the financial opportunities that will open to them with this move, but it sounds like they are really motivated by a desire to do more substantive work in terms of philanthropy and such. One of the articles linked earlier by a Meghan critic said the couple seemed bored by the ceremonial stuff like ribbon cuttings. Both Meghan and Harry have pretty well developed world views and a strong work ethic. I don't think they like having to be so apolitical about everything. Their IG post makes it sound like they are going to throw themselves into more serious work than the PR and ceremonial stuff that necessarily takes up so much of their official royal duties.

No one wants your logic here. These posters just want to hate Meghan and give Harry a pass. All while claiming to hate and find the BRF outdated in other threads.

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Anonymous wrote:Narcissistic personality disorder. She cuts everyone from her life that she can’t control and could not stand the sun did not shine on her every second of everyday. It was telling she only invited only one family member to the wedding but had tons of celebs. When I saw her mother was the only one at the wedding the problem was obviously MM. Did not think she would act so fast and cut out the Royals next. It just shows how far at the end of the disorder scale she is. If you have ever seem the damage someone like this does to families you will understand. Most families have issues but someone like MM is a true wolf in sheep’s clothing. These people destroy families. She is playing the victim but she is the perp.

Your own baggage is skewing your perception.

NP here and disagree. She is spot on. No narcs in my immediate family.

+1 I don’t see how anyone can believe that everyone else in Meghan’s entire life has always been the problem (her family, her old friends, her exes, her in-laws, etc) and she’s just the poor victim. What do they say about people who always have a problem with everyone else? At some point you have to ask who is the common denominator...

Completely agree.

She has a close relationship with her mother. It's just her crazy dad's side of the family that she avoids.

Does she have a close relationship with her mother? Doris was absent for most of MMS childhood. Her dad was her hero and advocate (according to her own words)

Her dad may have been much better in the past, or maybe she when she was younger she was still trying to please him. Who knows? But his public behavior toward her since she became engaged to Harry has been pretty unforgivable. I'll judge based on what I can see and not what I might assume.

her blog was nothing but praises of him as a great dad, up until she shut it down (around the time she dated Harry). Are we to believe he became a raging asshole in that moment? So much so she never even bothered to introduce Harry to her dad at all?? Even Harry admits he never met her dad. That is weird as F when she was BFF with her dad up until then (her words)

Given that he sold his daughter's letter and photos to the tabloids, yeah, I tend to think he either did a 180 in his behavior or else her earlier praise for him was either putting on a happy public face or a bid to garner his approval. Both of those would be normal behaviors of someone who was mistreated by a parent.

In what world would his selling out his daughter be anything other than reprehensible? Can you imagine a scenario in which you would do that to your child? Seriously, I'm asking.

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Wow, just heard on NPR, that they did not consult with the Queen and others in the Royal Family. Their announcement came as a surprise. I am surprised at that!

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Anonymous wrote:Narcissistic personality disorder. She cuts everyone from her life that she can’t control and could not stand the sun did not shine on her every second of everyday. It was telling she only invited only one family member to the wedding but had tons of celebs. When I saw her mother was the only one at the wedding the problem was obviously MM. Did not think she would act so fast and cut out the Royals next. It just shows how far at the end of the disorder scale she is. If you have ever seem the damage someone like this does to families you will understand. Most families have issues but someone like MM is a true wolf in sheep’s clothing. These people destroy families. She is playing the victim but she is the perp.

Your own baggage is skewing your perception.

NP here and disagree. She is spot on. No narcs in my immediate family.

+1 I don’t see how anyone can believe that everyone else in Meghan’s entire life has always been the problem (her family, her old friends, her exes, her in-laws, etc) and she’s just the poor victim. What do they say about people who always have a problem with everyone else? At some point you have to ask who is the common denominator...

Completely agree.

She has a close relationship with her mother. It's just her crazy dad's side of the family that she avoids.

Oh the mom she didn't speak to much up until she had a ring on her finger from a Prince and wanted the strong black mom narrative instead of the raised by a white guy with privilge narrative.

What evidence do you have of that?

Plenty, but lets be honest, i could link things all day long and you would say "blah blah blah" not true. Try again, so why bother. I know the song and dance in this forum adn nothing will sway your mind, so why waste my time?

What can you link that's NOT a tabloid article sourced by "anonymous" people. Please, link to one legitimate source, with someone specific on record. Not including crazy Samantha, the father that tried to make money off her or one old bitter uncle.

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Anonymous wrote:It's fascinating (and telling) that most people are harping much more on Meghan's family dysfunction, and not Harry's. Even with what we DO know (and no doubt there are still many, many family secrets), Harry's seems far more filled with issues than Meghan's.

Perhaps these two found comfort in each other, and relate to each other. Good for them for wanting to distance themselves from the drama and change things going forward.

yes!! GREAT for them! But then give back the titles, the IG handle, the website, the things paid for by the Duchy (pretty much everything) and go on your way.
No one is saying they shouldn't leave. It is more like, you want leave? Ok. Leave the perks at the door. Thanks!

Read their Funding post. They are giving up all the financial perks with the exception of continuing to reside in Frogmore Cottage, if the Queen allows, while they are in the U.K. They are splitting their time, not leaving completely, so that they can still do things to support the Queen and continue to work with their patronages. As such, it appropriate they keep their titles, but they are "taking" anything else anymore.

I wouldn't be surprised if they didn't appreciate and look forward to the financial opportunities that will open to them with this move, but it sounds like they are really motivated by a desire to do more substantive work in terms of philanthropy and such. One of the articles linked earlier by a Meghan critic said the couple seemed bored by the ceremonial stuff like ribbon cuttings. Both Meghan and Harry have pretty well developed world views and a strong work ethic. I don't think they like having to be so apolitical about everything. Their IG post makes it sound like they are going to throw themselves into more serious work than the PR and ceremonial stuff that necessarily takes up so much of their official royal duties.

I doubt it's quite so simple. They are certainly not giving up the security, which runs into the millions every year. Who pays for that, the British taxpayer or themselves?

Frogmore Cottage is also funded by the taxpayer. It just had a 2.7 million renovation. Paid for by the taxpayer.

So it's much more complicated than you might want to think.

Them having security is honestly a benefit to Charles and William. When they are on the throne imagine if their son or brother were to be kidnapped. That would be a disaster and a serious national security threat.

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Anonymous wrote:It's fascinating (and telling) that most people are harping much more on Meghan's family dysfunction, and not Harry's. Even with what we DO know (and no doubt there are still many, many family secrets), Harry's seems far more filled with issues than Meghan's.

Perhaps these two found comfort in each other, and relate to each other. Good for them for wanting to distance themselves from the drama and change things going forward.

yes!! GREAT for them! But then give back the titles, the IG handle, the website, the things paid for by the Duchy (pretty much everything) and go on your way.
No one is saying they shouldn't leave. It is more like, you want leave? Ok. Leave the perks at the door. Thanks!

That sounds like a formality. They're not going to be able to shed the association no matter what, it's permanently attached forever. And they haven't even moved yet.

The difference is if they are stripped of titles they can't use them in the future (you know, to profit off of them). The monarchy OWNS the titles and H and M shouldln't benefity financially going forward by using them. If people associate them with it fine. But THEY shouldn't keep the IG handle nad website with Sussex Royal. They don't want that life i thought?

But that’s true of any of the non working royals. And how exactly do you directly monetize a title?

Using the offical title on things like IG, blogs, websites and getting money from advertising. Really? Do you not know how branding and social media work no days?

Their fame is bigger than their titles, at this point. Europe is full of people with titles that no one has ever heard of. Everyone knows Meghan and Harry. They don't need their titles for financial gain at this point.