Public Trump Impeachment Hearing Mega Thread

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You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

One great thing about being older is that you have a sense of historical perspective that younger people do not. Those of us who have lived through big events like war, assassinations, riots, economic upheaval, etc. is that you know trivial BS when you see it. Ukraine is trivial BS. Sorry if we older folks are hard to persuade otherwise. Also we don’t get high and forget to vote on Election Day.

You’re the reason I have to listen to this ‘OK boomer’ crap (which is extremely offensive, BTW). I’ve lived through all the things you listed, and I know BS when I see it. Ukraine it not BS; in fact, it’s the most egregious presidential abuse of power that I’ve ever seen. What happened to my generation?

Cognitive decline for some

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Anonymous wrote:WSJ: First Day of Televised Impeachment Hearings Draws 13.1 Million Viewers

According to the Hollywood Reporter, Fox News was the most-watched channel for impeachment coverage, it appears, averaging 2.9M, to MSNBC's 2.7M, ABC and CBS' 2M, CNN's 1.85M, and NBC's 1.7M.

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You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

One great thing about being older is that you have a sense of historical perspective that younger people do not. Those of us who have lived through big events like war, assassinations, riots, economic upheaval, etc. is that you know trivial BS when you see it. Ukraine is trivial BS. Sorry if we older folks are hard to persuade otherwise. Also we don’t get high and forget to vote on Election Day.

You sound so old that you don't remember that bribery is a crime. Bless your heart.

Hunter Biden told me that bribery is not a crime after all. And neither is using cocaine! What a guy.

First, there's no evidence that Hunter Biden has committed a crime. Second, HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES EXPLOITING HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. How hard is it for you to keep this little fact in your head; maybe age is the culprit?

Well, let’s address your first point. No evidence of a crime? There were 38 payments by Burisma totaling $3.1 million to his company Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC. That is evidence - now is it a crime? That would be for a jury to decide, not us. Also there is the crack pipe that he left in a rental car in Arizona. That sounds like evidence of a crime, but again, whether it is a crime or not is not up to us.

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You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

One great thing about being older is that you have a sense of historical perspective that younger people do not. Those of us who have lived through big events like war, assassinations, riots, economic upheaval, etc. is that you know trivial BS when you see it. Ukraine is trivial BS. Sorry if we older folks are hard to persuade otherwise. Also we don’t get high and forget to vote on Election Day.

You sound so old that you don't remember that bribery is a crime. Bless your heart.

Hunter Biden told me that bribery is not a crime after all. And neither is using cocaine! What a guy.

First, there's no evidence that Hunter Biden has committed a crime. Second, HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES EXPLOITING HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. How hard is it for you to keep this little fact in your head; maybe age is the culprit?

DP. Hunter Biden seems like an a**hat. But there is no scandal related to his work in Ukraine. Multiple sources have completely debunked this nothing-burger manufactured by POTUS and Guiliani.

Anyone who continues to divert discussion of the impeachment proceedings with references to Hunter Biden is either very, very stupid or just another morally-bankrupt person trying to distract from the obvious, clearly-proven wrong-doing of the POTUS.

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Anonymous wrote:This impeachment process is the single most idiotic thing I’ve seen in 40 plus years of paying attention to politics. There’s an election coming up...isn’t that a more appropriate way to determine this nation’s leadership? But if you want 2020 to be all about Trump vs. Adam Schiff or Trump vs. unnamed CIA employees, don’t be surprised when Trump is re-elected.

Impeachment is actually the precise mechanism created by the Founding Fathers to address what is happening here. It's not about changing the leadership. It's about addressing abuse of power, bribery and extortion by the President. It's about saying that we as a country do not stand for this. Trump has signaled to the world that he and his administration are open to bribery - do a little something that benefits him personally and he'll help their country out. This is not how the government of the United States is supposed to work. THAT's what this impeachment hearing is about.

I’m not arguing that the process is unconstitutional. I’m arguing that it is stupid, and probably working to the political benefit of Donald Trump.

He can either get away with it with a historical marker, or he can get away with it without. At least with the marker, the American public is put on notice as to what the US Constitution means to the in the House, Senate and White House.

(ie not much)

You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

+1 to all of this.


“Lauding his fans' loyalty at a campaign event in Sioux Center, Iowa, on Saturday, Trump said he could kill people and still be popular.

“I have the most loyal people, did you ever see that? I could stand in the middle of 5th Avenue and shoot people and I wouldn’t lose voters,” he said. “

Source:
https://m.dailykos.com/stories/2016/1/23/1474259/-Donald-Trump-knows-his-base-Says-I-could-stand-in-the-middle-of-5th-Avenue-and-shoot-people

Video of Trump Saying He Could Get Away With Crime (posted at TheHill.com)
https://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/gop-primaries/266809-trump-i-could-shoot-people-in-streets-and-not-lose-support#.VqQDUwfhE18.twitter

[Anonymous]

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You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

One great thing about being older is that you have a sense of historical perspective that younger people do not. Those of us who have lived through big events like war, assassinations, riots, economic upheaval, etc. is that you know trivial BS when you see it. Ukraine is trivial BS. Sorry if we older folks are hard to persuade otherwise. Also we don’t get high and forget to vote on Election Day.

You sound so old that you don't remember that bribery is a crime. Bless your heart.

Hunter Biden told me that bribery is not a crime after all. And neither is using cocaine! What a guy.

First, there's no evidence that Hunter Biden has committed a crime. Second, HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES EXPLOITING HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. How hard is it for you to keep this little fact in your head; maybe age is the culprit?

Well, let’s address your first point. No evidence of a crime? There were 38 payments by Burisma totaling $3.1 million to his company Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC. That is evidence - now is it a crime? That would be for a jury to decide, not us. Also there is the crack pipe that he left in a rental car in Arizona. That sounds like evidence of a crime, but again, whether it is a crime or not is not up to us.

This has nothing to do with the impeachment. Even if Hunter Biden committed crimes, there is no way you can justify that this needed to be handled the way the POTUS handled it, through back channels with him withholding aid to a foreign ally. Stop grasping at straws.

[Anonymous]

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You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

One great thing about being older is that you have a sense of historical perspective that younger people do not. Those of us who have lived through big events like war, assassinations, riots, economic upheaval, etc. is that you know trivial BS when you see it. Ukraine is trivial BS. Sorry if we older folks are hard to persuade otherwise. Also we don’t get high and forget to vote on Election Day.

I don't know how old you are but I lived through all the things you mentioned, and yes this is a big issue. Also I read history.

[Anonymous]

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You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

One great thing about being older is that you have a sense of historical perspective that younger people do not. Those of us who have lived through big events like war, assassinations, riots, economic upheaval, etc. is that you know trivial BS when you see it. Ukraine is trivial BS. Sorry if we older folks are hard to persuade otherwise. Also we don’t get high and forget to vote on Election Day.

I don't know how old you are but I lived through all the things you mentioned, and yes this is a big issue. Also I read history.

+1. Also, we've been at war in Afghanistan since 2001. 2008 was the worst recession since the Great Depression. It isn't your "sense of historical perspective" that keeps from seeing the significance of Trump's actions; it is your *lack* of moral perspective.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Was this an impeachable offense?

No. What is the personal gain that Obama got out of this statement?

Honest to goodness -- Of course Obama would have more flexibilty after the election. EVERY politician has more flexibility after an election.

Unless you're Trump. Then you have to try personal back channels because you literally can't get anything done ever.

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Honest to goodness -- Of course Obama would have more flexibilty after the election. EVERY politician has more flexibility after an election.

Unless you're Trump. Then you have to try personal back channels because you literally can't get anything done ever.

Trump cut your taxes. And defeated ISIS! That is something.

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Honest to goodness -- Of course Obama would have more flexibilty after the election. EVERY politician has more flexibility after an election.

Unless you're Trump. Then you have to try personal back channels because you literally can't get anything done ever.

Trump cut your taxes. And defeated ISIS! That is something.

[Anonymous]

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Honest to goodness -- Of course Obama would have more flexibilty after the election. EVERY politician has more flexibility after an election.

Unless you're Trump. Then you have to try personal back channels because you literally can't get anything done ever.

Trump cut your taxes. And defeated ISIS! That is something.

My taxes went up. https://www.marketwatch.com/story/trumps-tax-reform-appears-to-be-giving-more-money-back-to-republican-states-2019-04-23
And ISIS has not been defeated. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/mideast/defeated-isis-has-found-safe-haven-ungoverned-part-iraq-n1076081

[Anonymous]

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You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

One great thing about being older is that you have a sense of historical perspective that younger people do not. Those of us who have lived through big events like war, assassinations, riots, economic upheaval, etc. is that you know trivial BS when you see it. Ukraine is trivial BS. Sorry if we older folks are hard to persuade otherwise. Also we don’t get high and forget to vote on Election Day.

You sound so old that you don't remember that bribery is a crime. Bless your heart.

Hunter Biden told me that bribery is not a crime after all. And neither is using cocaine! What a guy.

First, there's no evidence that Hunter Biden has committed a crime. Second, HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES EXPLOITING HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. How hard is it for you to keep this little fact in your head; maybe age is the culprit?

Well, let’s address your first point. No evidence of a crime? There were 38 payments by Burisma totaling $3.1 million to his company Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC. That is evidence - now is it a crime? That would be for a jury to decide, not us. Also there is the crack pipe that he left in a rental car in Arizona. That sounds like evidence of a crime, but again, whether it is a crime or not is not up to us.

In ALL of this business about Burisma and Hunter (people do not mention their other US board member who I think is still ON the board) nobody has EVER pointed to some advantage Burisma or its owner reaped that came from the US and could potentially be linked to Biden as VP. Name recognition? Yeah, just like, oh, Ivana-Eric-Don Jr not to mention Trump hisself (misspelling intentional).

Now, if there WAS something Burisma gained, there could potentially be some kind of bribery involved, and that would entail US laws--which Trump would not have to ask Zelensky to investigate, because we have this outfit called the FBI, and we have these agreements with Ukraine about cooperative criminal investigation. This whole GOP claim that Trump was trying to trample out the vintage of corruption with Ukraine on July 25? --nope, not buying it, would have been shouted to the rooftops by him then.

It strikes me that besides being a Russia buddy, Trump palpably dislikes Ukraine for having been interested in Hillary (who didn't like Russia) so his person craving for adulation factors in here. He also cannot relate to a government that was voted in by a people trying to SEVER themselves from oligarchy, that's not the kind of government he wants to play with. He actually does want a swamp, but hit has to be HIS swamp, with him as the biggest frog.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Honest to goodness -- Of course Obama would have more flexibilty after the election. EVERY politician has more flexibility after an election.

Unless you're Trump. Then you have to try personal back channels because you literally can't get anything done ever.

Trump cut your taxes. And defeated ISIS! That is something.

My taxes didn't go down, but my water and air are dirtier and my foreign travel prospects are less safe. Meanwhile, ISIS is not defeated, but the Kurds, our allies, are being exterminated.

[Anonymous]

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You're missing something here, though... Whether willful or not, it's very clear that a large portion of the American public is ignorant to the Constitution. You and I might agree that what Trump did is wrong and in direct violation of what was intended by the Constitution, but how many people are out their saying he didn't break any laws and this is not a big deal? I've been cringing at the amount of (usually older) people I overhear saying that this impeachment trial is a joke and the democrats are just embarrassing themselves. I'd like to think that they just truly don't understand, but honestly, I think they're fine with it. They think it's okay to make a few threats, because in their minds, he didn't pull out a gun and shoot someone in the face. And even then... they'd probably say it was justified. Actually, when you think about it, it's terrifying to not only realize the abuse of power that is being thrown in our faces, but how many people aren't even batting an eye at it.

One great thing about being older is that you have a sense of historical perspective that younger people do not. Those of us who have lived through big events like war, assassinations, riots, economic upheaval, etc. is that you know trivial BS when you see it. Ukraine is trivial BS. Sorry if we older folks are hard to persuade otherwise. Also we don’t get high and forget to vote on Election Day.

You sound so old that you don't remember that bribery is a crime. Bless your heart.

Hunter Biden told me that bribery is not a crime after all. And neither is using cocaine! What a guy.

First, there's no evidence that Hunter Biden has committed a crime. Second, HE'S NOT THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES EXPLOITING HIS OFFICE FOR PERSONAL GAIN. How hard is it for you to keep this little fact in your head; maybe age is the culprit?

Well, let’s address your first point. No evidence of a crime? There were 38 payments by Burisma totaling $3.1 million to his company Rosemont Seneca Bohai LLC. That is evidence - now is it a crime? That would be for a jury to decide, not us. Also there is the crack pipe that he left in a rental car in Arizona. That sounds like evidence of a crime, but again, whether it is a crime or not is not up to us.

In ALL of this business about Burisma and Hunter (people do not mention their other US board member who I think is still ON the board) nobody has EVER pointed to some advantage Burisma or its owner reaped that came from the US and could potentially be linked to Biden as VP. Name recognition? Yeah, just like, oh, Ivana-Eric-Don Jr not to mention Trump hisself (misspelling intentional).

Now, if there WAS something Burisma gained, there could potentially be some kind of bribery involved, and that would entail US laws--which Trump would not have to ask Zelensky to investigate, because we have this outfit called the FBI, and we have these agreements with Ukraine about cooperative criminal investigation. This whole GOP claim that Trump was trying to trample out the vintage of corruption with Ukraine on July 25? --nope, not buying it, would have been shouted to the rooftops by him then.

It strikes me that besides being a Russia buddy, Trump palpably dislikes Ukraine for having been interested in Hillary (who didn't like Russia) so his person craving for adulation factors in here. He also cannot relate to a government that was voted in by a people trying to SEVER themselves from oligarchy, that's not the kind of government he wants to play with. He actually does want a swamp, but hit has to be HIS swamp, with him as the biggest frog.

Doesn’t it look like a massive conflict of interest to have Hunter’s LLC receive $3.1 million from a Ukrainian gas company not long after his father was named the Obama Administration’s “point man” on Ukraine in February 2014? This is corruption. Why do so many people have a hard time admitting it?