Shooting in Reston

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Has anyone read anything about the girl's biological father? I hope she still has a parent out there to help her through these difficult times.

He is alive and on FB according assuming the name and FB friend match up is not a coincidence. As per FB, he lost his wife to illness maybe a year or so ago. She also has an adult full brother. It's the younger boy who is now left without parents.

[Anonymous]

maybe stop speculating so much - much of what is being guessed at on this thread has already been answered by reputable sources. the FC Police have released the dispatcher's tape (WJLA). NOT the girl's 911 call, but the dispatcher relaying information from the girl's call to the police on scene and en route. The daughter called 911, and said her parents had been shot. As police arrive at the scene, an officer requested that the dispatcher tell the complainants to step out of the house with their hands up -- the dispatcher relayed that the caller said they are sending 10 year old male outside. The dispatcher than states "the caller is still upstairs with her boyfriend." At this point the officer stated, "shots fired." When asked to confirm, the officer replied, "yes." There is then a few seconds with officers asking if another officer is inside - he says, "yes," and something about "one down" - it is difficult to hear clearly. An officer states he is in the front door and asked where the other officer is. As that officer begins to say they are going to be upstairs on the second level, there is a muffled sound and as he continued talking, there is a longer muffled sound (reported to be the daughter screaming) and the officer states, "I think we have the shooter down." A few seconds later an officer says, "the shooter is 10-61." {best I can find that means dead}. There is then several minutes of back and forth of officers en route and then one asks the dispatcher to send a couple of units to "follow the ambulances to the hospital, Reston Hospital." Clearly it was chaotic as we now know Giampa was not dead, but critically injured. It is clear from the tape that the parents were both shot, the daughter called 911 while with her boyfriend upstairs, and Giampa was alive until the officers entered the house when he apparently shot himself.

so if you must, google, people, and stop wildly speculating - and spreading lies - about things that are now known.

and please stop second-guessing and demonizing the Frickers. They were clearly concerned, loving parents handling a deeply disturbing situation in their family the best they knew how. Almost everything in life can be done "better" with hindsight (think about how many times you've wished you'd handled something better).... but hindsight, by definition, is unavailable in the moment. None of you know the details of this situation, none of you know the steps they previously took or what they were thinking, none of you know the people involved or the particulars of their mental health and family situations. And none of you know how you would have handled it in the moment - and I hope none of you ever have to find that out.

Face it, there is no 35-second soundbite that will summarize and explain complicated human emotions and actions - get over it.

Now, let's all try to show our best humanity and give a deeply grieving family the dignity and space they deserve.

haters - don't bother responding as I won't bother to read your posts

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:maybe stop speculating so much - much of what is being guessed at on this thread has already been answered by reputable sources. the FC Police have released the dispatcher's tape (WJLA). NOT the girl's 911 call, but the dispatcher relaying information from the girl's call to the police on scene and en route. The daughter called 911, and said her parents had been shot. As police arrive at the scene, an officer requested that the dispatcher tell the complainants to step out of the house with their hands up -- the dispatcher relayed that the caller said they are sending 10 year old male outside. The dispatcher than states "the caller is still upstairs with her boyfriend." At this point the officer stated, "shots fired." When asked to confirm, the officer replied, "yes." There is then a few seconds with officers asking if another officer is inside - he says, "yes," and something about "one down" - it is difficult to hear clearly. An officer states he is in the front door and asked where the other officer is. As that officer begins to say they are going to be upstairs on the second level, there is a muffled sound and as he continued talking, there is a longer muffled sound (reported to be the daughter screaming) and the officer states, "I think we have the shooter down." A few seconds later an officer says, "the shooter is 10-61." {best I can find that means dead}. There is then several minutes of back and forth of officers en route and then one asks the dispatcher to send a couple of units to "follow the ambulances to the hospital, Reston Hospital." Clearly it was chaotic as we now know Giampa was not dead, but critically injured. It is clear from the tape that the parents were both shot, the daughter called 911 while with her boyfriend upstairs, and Giampa was alive until the officers entered the house when he apparently shot himself.

so if you must, google, people, and stop wildly speculating - and spreading lies - about things that are now known.

and please stop second-guessing and demonizing the Frickers. They were clearly concerned, loving parents handling a deeply disturbing situation in their family the best they knew how. Almost everything in life can be done "better" with hindsight (think about how many times you've wished you'd handled something better).... but hindsight, by definition, is unavailable in the moment. None of you know the details of this situation, none of you know the steps they previously took or what they were thinking, none of you know the people involved or the particulars of their mental health and family situations. And none of you know how you would have handled it in the moment - and I hope none of you ever have to find that out.

Face it, there is no 35-second soundbite that will summarize and explain complicated human emotions and actions - get over it.

Now, let's all try to show our best humanity and give a deeply grieving family the dignity and space they deserve.

haters - don't bother responding as I won't bother to read your posts

Well said. Thank you for posting this and may the Frickers rest in peace.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Which private school did the shooter go to?

Dominion School in Springfield

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:The shooting range photo of the mentally ill killer is with a long gun, at least a semi-automatic, aimed at a target of a police officer. A police officer.

Why was he aiming a gun at a police officer as a target? This is very anti-police state stuff and very scary.

So, all those that think this kid just picked this stuff up on his own are delusional.

Aiming a gun at a police officer target? Please, can someone justify shooting a police officer target on here?

I've been to shooting ranges. A legitimate range would not have such a target. Something is off.

He could have brought the target with him? But, yeah, something is off with that picture.

I hope so. Even still, if your son is in a school for emotionally, mentally disturbed children, then you should not take him to a shooting range. Guns can be very dangerous in the hands of mentally ill people.

Case in point: Nancy Lanza and her son Adam.

Once again, it's history repeating itself. I hope the Frickers don't let Giampas get away with it and sue them for whatever they are worth. About time those gun lunatics learn about actions and their consequences.

[Anonymous]

^this.

If the gun came from the Giampa's home, lock them up and throw away the key.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:maybe stop speculating so much - much of what is being guessed at on this thread has already been answered by reputable sources. the FC Police have released the dispatcher's tape (WJLA). NOT the girl's 911 call, but the dispatcher relaying information from the girl's call to the police on scene and en route. The daughter called 911, and said her parents had been shot. As police arrive at the scene, an officer requested that the dispatcher tell the complainants to step out of the house with their hands up -- the dispatcher relayed that the caller said they are sending 10 year old male outside. The dispatcher than states "the caller is still upstairs with her boyfriend." At this point the officer stated, "shots fired." When asked to confirm, the officer replied, "yes." There is then a few seconds with officers asking if another officer is inside - he says, "yes," and something about "one down" - it is difficult to hear clearly. An officer states he is in the front door and asked where the other officer is. As that officer begins to say they are going to be upstairs on the second level, there is a muffled sound and as he continued talking, there is a longer muffled sound (reported to be the daughter screaming) and the officer states, "I think we have the shooter down." A few seconds later an officer says, "the shooter is 10-61." {best I can find that means dead}. There is then several minutes of back and forth of officers en route and then one asks the dispatcher to send a couple of units to "follow the ambulances to the hospital, Reston Hospital." Clearly it was chaotic as we now know Giampa was not dead, but critically injured. It is clear from the tape that the parents were both shot, the daughter called 911 while with her boyfriend upstairs, and Giampa was alive until the officers entered the house when he apparently shot himself.

so if you must, google, people, and stop wildly speculating - and spreading lies - about things that are now known.

and please stop second-guessing and demonizing the Frickers. They were clearly concerned, loving parents handling a deeply disturbing situation in their family the best they knew how. Almost everything in life can be done "better" with hindsight (think about how many times you've wished you'd handled something better).... but hindsight, by definition, is unavailable in the moment. None of you know the details of this situation, none of you know the steps they previously took or what they were thinking, none of you know the people involved or the particulars of their mental health and family situations. And none of you know how you would have handled it in the moment - and I hope none of you ever have to find that out.

Face it, there is no 35-second soundbite that will summarize and explain complicated human emotions and actions - get over it.

Now, let's all try to show our best humanity and give a deeply grieving family the dignity and space they deserve.

haters - don't bother responding as I won't bother to read your posts

Well said. Thank you for posting this and may the Frickers rest in peace.

+1000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:^this.

If the gun came from the Giampa's home, lock them up and throw away the key.

+1
And even if gun came from somewhere else, these parents are heavily responsible since they had no business training their mentally unstable son to shoot firearms.

[Anonymous]

Is it possible that he was taught to shoot before the mental problems presented? Mental issues tend to present in late teens.

Certainly not taking any sides, just putting it out there that it is possible that he learned to shoot earlier.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:I would have installed a home alarm with window/door alarms and kept the code to myself. Also would have taken the phone away. My kid can hate me - that’s fine.

You sound like someone who hasn’t parented a mentally ill child. One of the scariest times I’ve had was when my son left his phone and then disappeared for hours. We rely on the phone to track him. Tactics that typically work may not be effective with kids who suffer from mental illness.

You are right, I haven’t. But the alarm would have gone in the DAY I first found that kid hidden in my house. And if a kid can’t be trusted out of the house alone, then the kid needs to be babysat. Like a 5 yo.

Not to blow your bubble but I had the alarm codes to my house from the time I was 16 and took the bus home. Unless you have your kid in expensive after-school activities or lessons or you yourself are at home 24/7, they need the code in order to open their own front door.

It sounds as though the girl had been taking a cab to/from school. Her mom had asked for an alarm system for the house as a Christmas present.

I tend to agree with the PP that I would have taken the phone away and put her on restriction the first time I discovered that she had snuck a boy into the house. Getting an alarm system installed would have been priority #1. But that is assuming that I knew about her sneaking the boy in the house. It's possible that the parents only recently found out that she had been doing that and simply had not had enough time to get an alarm system installed. They couldn't take the girl out of town for Christmas break because they already had guests on the way to visit them.

It is so easy to say "Well I would have done X,Y,Z differently".

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that he was taught to shoot before the mental problems presented? Mental issues tend to present in late teens.

Certainly not taking any sides, just putting it out there that it is possible that he learned to shoot earlier.

He was at a specialized school with a 3:1 ration (student-adult) that starts in 8th grade. They knew he had issues.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I would have installed a home alarm with window/door alarms and kept the code to myself. Also would have taken the phone away. My kid can hate me - that’s fine.

You sound like someone who hasn’t parented a mentally ill child. One of the scariest times I’ve had was when my son left his phone and then disappeared for hours. We rely on the phone to track him. Tactics that typically work may not be effective with kids who suffer from mental illness.

You are right, I haven’t. But the alarm would have gone in the DAY I first found that kid hidden in my house. And if a kid can’t be trusted out of the house alone, then the kid needs to be babysat. Like a 5 yo.

Not to blow your bubble but I had the alarm codes to my house from the time I was 16 and took the bus home. Unless you have your kid in expensive after-school activities or lessons or you yourself are at home 24/7, they need the code in order to open their own front door.

It sounds as though the girl had been taking a cab to/from school. Her mom had asked for an alarm system for the house as a Christmas present.

I tend to agree with the PP that I would have taken the phone away and put her on restriction the first time I discovered that she had snuck a boy into the house. Getting an alarm system installed would have been priority #1. But that is assuming that I knew about her sneaking the boy in the house. It's possible that the parents only recently found out that she had been doing that and simply had not had enough time to get an alarm system installed. They couldn't take the girl out of town for Christmas break because they already had guests on the way to visit them.

It is so easy to say "Well I would have done X,Y,Z differently".

True. i think from articles she knew he was sneaking in for a while. If that is true then i would have bought an alarm system myself and paid extra to have it installed rather than ask for an XMAS gift. They could afford it. I also would have taken the phone. Easy for me to say in retrospect and reporters don't always get the story right. Plus, this really is a worst case scenario. Unstable-highly unstable kids get dumped and can't handle it and do all sorts of problematic, but don't kill.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that he was taught to shoot before the mental problems presented? Mental issues tend to present in late teens.

Certainly not taking any sides, just putting it out there that it is possible that he learned to shoot earlier.

He was at a specialized school with a 3:1 ration (student-adult) that starts in 8th grade. They knew he had issues.

It may start in 8th grade but no way of knowing when he started going there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Is it possible that he was taught to shoot before the mental problems presented? Mental issues tend to present in late teens.

Certainly not taking any sides, just putting it out there that it is possible that he learned to shoot earlier.

He was at a specialized school with a 3:1 ration (student-adult) that starts in 8th grade. They knew he had issues.

It may start in 8th grade but no way of knowing when he started going there.

No way of knowing? I am sure that will come out in the news eventually. Someone way back on another site said he had a prior rap sheet. Haven't seen anything in a reputable source, but if that is true, I am sure it will come out in tome too. Plus, honestly it was clear he was obsessed with violence. That alone would be a clue to not to get him involved with guns.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Which private school did the shooter go to?

Dominion School in Springfield

I've gotta Google that one. Never heard of it.