Technology will NEVER? I assume you don't actually understand the technology. Just go back to bed. |
Did you really miss that the Alabama Supreme Court issued a ruling in February declaring that embryos created through in IVF should be considered children? |
I don't? I have two IVF kids and a frozen embryo. You're saying that your plan is to methodically take a sperm/egg combo, see if it reaches blastocyst stage in 5-6 days, and if not take the next combo? That's your plan? |
I can't speak for women because I am a man. However my guess is that some women who are not primarily driven by the abortion issue know that should their daughter be in a situation where she would need an abortion even if they live in a state with the most restrictive abortion laws they will find a WAY to get an abortion for their daughter should she desire one.
We Americans are individualists. We are conditioned to think about ourselves our family first and foremost. And with access to financial resources in this country anything is possible. This is an ultra capitalist free market country and the most restrictive laws are not going to stop people of means. There is a way. Money talks. These women (and their husbands) DGAF about others. Sadly that's how many of us think in this country. And to his credit Mr Trump knows this. He knows that Americans are inherently individualist and you can sell 300 million different messages to 300 millions people and they will pick and choose what benefits them. If what benefits them hurts others oh well too bad blame Lady Luck. |
As I see so many people unmoved by stories of women dying or almost dying, I’ve realizes that women and child-bearing is viewed by so many just as soldiers going to war. You might survive, you might not. Either way, it’s your duty. Good luck. |
Do you really not understand that this is not banning IVF? |
I am a woman and I’m not a single issue voter let alone having the only issue be abortion. I am pro-choice and that’s part of what I take into account when I’m looking at candidates. I’m voting for Harris, but not because of abortion. |
Do you really not understand that this is de facto banning IVF? Do you not understand the procedure and the associated ramifications of the Alabama Supreme Court's ruling? |
I look at the US from a country, Canada, with no abortion laws at all, so it is a medical procedure and not your neighbor's business. I have no clue why it's so important to block access and tell others what to do.
Our Supreme Court ruled in 1988 that it was legal and our parliament gave up trying to draft a law and didn't put any in place. 36 years of no laws and the sky hasn't fallen. Women don't use it as birth control and we don't terminate full term healthy babies for convenience. |
Do you really not understand that the risk is not an IVF ban? The clinics that halted the procedure made that decision all by themselves to avoid the risks of facing catastrophic liabilities. |
What do they procedurally do with all of the unused embryos (which are inherently necessary via this procedure)? You can't discard them. You can't keep them frozen forever. If you transport them across state lines for disposal, would they be charged with mass murder? It's not just legal liability, it's legal jeopardy. |
The idea that women are dying left and right because they can’t get abortions just doesn’t add up. With today’s healthcare, dying in childbirth is rare in the U.S., and serious complications are handled well in most cases. The CDC shows that only about 2-6% of abortions are due to life-threatening situations, so most abortions are for personal or other reasons, not because a mother’s life is at immediate risk. The comparison to soldiers going to war—where survival is a gamble—misses the reality, too. Childbirth isn’t typically life-or-death here like in a war zone, thanks to modern medicine. And, to make things clearer, even Trump has voiced support for exceptions in cases of rape, incest, or threats to the mother’s life. This shows that women facing these extreme situations aren’t left without options, which means the “forced to die” narrative just doesn’t reflect the situation. With maternal healthcare and these exceptions, the situation is nowhere near as bleak as it’s sometimes portrayed. |
It doesn't matter what Trump says. He's a serial liar. What he's done is enabled people like you to deny women "modern medicine" (not sure why you'd be using this term) and throw away the lives of those "2-6%". |
What's really sad is that under Trump only rich women will easily be able to get a safe and quick abortion. Trump hates poor women. |
+1. Ivf does not need to be banned in order to have no clinics actually offer the procedure. If you truly decide that an embryo or a fetus is a person then IVF is over. Overturning roe pollutes a wide ranging array of women's healthcare issues. For example, it doesn't prohibit obstetricians from coming to your state, it just ends up having that effect. The risks of practicing medicine in an abortion ban state make it an undesirable location to practice that specialty. |