What if Biden does not bow out?

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then the easy choise is Trump. Thank you!

The election should be postponed until December to give the states time to put the new candidate on the ballot.

If that is what it will take to save democracy and to stop Project 2025, then so be it.

But President Biden is committed to winning. Let’s not go to extremes when it isn’t necessary to do so. Uncle Joe can easily beat Drumpf again.

1968: We had to destroy the town to save it

2024: We had to postpone democracy to save it

All because a bot is programmed to keep mentioning Project 2025 in every comment.

It's no bot. I and a lot of others are deeply concerned about Project 2025.

[Anonymous]

What if he doesn't beat Trump but did his best?

Will you be ok with that?

Not #ridingwithbiden doesn't mean voting for Trump. It means giving independents, some Republicans, some lazy voters a candidate they are more enthusiastic about so they go vote against Trump instead of staying home.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then the easy choise is Trump. Thank you!

The election should be postponed until December to give the states time to put the new candidate on the ballot.

If that is what it will take to save democracy and to stop Project 2025, then so be it.

But President Biden is committed to winning. Let’s not go to extremes when it isn’t necessary to do so. Uncle Joe can easily beat Drumpf again.

1968: We had to destroy the town to save it

2024: We had to postpone democracy to save it

All because a bot is programmed to keep mentioning Project 2025 in every comment.

Why people should not mentioned project 2025?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Getting increasing worried that Biden will not bow out. He is tarnishing Harris with his reluctance (opening her up to attacks that she is covering up for him). Opinions for how all this will shake out that could result in a win for the Democrats?

Everything remains the same. Biden people still for Biden and we hope RFK, Jr takes away enough votes from Trump to be a spoiler. Or, one or both Biden and Trump could have a debilitating stroke or die. Harris becomes Dem candidate whatever sycophant trump chose as his VP becomes GOP candidate and MTG or Clarence Thomas is the GOP VP candidate.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What if he doesn't beat Trump but did his best?

Will you be ok with that?

Not #ridingwithbiden doesn't mean voting for Trump. It means giving independents, some Republicans, some lazy voters a candidate they are more enthusiastic about so they go vote against Trump instead of staying home.

You act as if this alternate candidate exists and is just out there waiting for Biden to get out of the way. The candidate who performs best against Trump is, wait for it: Biden.

Biden brings the base, and some old times Rs/NeverTrumpers. Lazy voters and Rs are not who Dems need to worry about, not if that person also turns off the base (like suggesting momof***ing Larry Hogan, a registered R). Dems win by turning out the base. It’s Biden time, so quit your b****ing Mark and let’s go!

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then the easy choise is Trump. Thank you!

The election should be postponed until December to give the states time to put the new candidate on the ballot.

If that is what it will take to save democracy and to stop Project 2025, then so be it.

But President Biden is committed to winning. Let’s not go to extremes when it isn’t necessary to do so. Uncle Joe can easily beat Drumpf again.

1968: We had to destroy the town to save it

2024: We had to postpone democracy to save it

All because a bot is programmed to keep mentioning Project 2025 in every comment.

Why people should not mentioned project 2025?

The Trump Trolls don’t want everyone to know about their hateful plans that will set social progress back decades

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then the easy choise is Trump. Thank you!

The election should be postponed until December to give the states time to put the new candidate on the ballot.

If that is what it will take to save democracy and to stop Project 2025, then so be it.

But President Biden is committed to winning. Let’s not go to extremes when it isn’t necessary to do so. Uncle Joe can easily beat Drumpf again.

1968: We had to destroy the town to save it

2024: We had to postpone democracy to save it

All because a bot is programmed to keep mentioning Project 2025 in every comment.

Why people should not mentioned project 2025?

The Trump Trolls don’t want everyone to know about their hateful plans that will set social progress back decades

Project 2025 is not the Trump agenda.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that given the fact that Trump is also almost as old as Biden, that he shows serious cognitive decline, his inability to stay on point, his frequent incoherent rambling, his degeneration from being an articulate speaker to using a 5th-grade vocabulary, his frequent slurred and confused words, his delusional rants about weird made-up things like boat-battery-shark scenarios and having to flush the toilet 15 times - it's clear to me that Trump is objectively every bit as bad, if not worse than Biden.

But the fact that the posters here who carry on and on about "as a Democrat I..." and being shocked and dismayed about Biden either a.) quickly dismiss Trump's issues or b.) don't engage at all regarding Trump's age, health, and serious decline leads me to believe that a sizeable percentage of the "as a Democrat..." commentary here is anything of the sort, and instead it's concern trolling.

If you're concerned then you should ALSO be concerned about Trump. I'm not seeing it. You're all dishonest for not discussing it.

My God. I’m a Democrat. I don’t need to make my life’s obsession be Donald Trump. I can be furious at my own party for what it’s done without referencing Trump.

Yes of course Trump has cognitive issues. I’m not spending every single post pointing out all Trump’s flaws. That is an absolutely bizarre expectation and frankly makes Republicans who go on about Trump Derangement Syndrome sound rational (and that is ridiculous).

Well said^^^

[Anonymous]

Meanwhile Biden is giving a rousing speech to NATO leaders in Washington. His vigor and sharpness contrast with the doom and gloom spouted by the Doubting Thomases over the past few weeks.

Biden stands strong for us, and for our allies. He stands against a Drumpf presidency and regressive Project 2025

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:It's pretty much legally impossible for the Democrats to put anyone else on the state ballots at this point. Any attempt to swap candidates will be met with a raft of lawsuits in the state courts.

Even if Joe Biden resigns and Harris becomes POTUS 47 and she takes over the campaign apparatus and funds (legally allowed since she is named on FEC documents), she will likely face lawsuits in state courts because the names "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" are on the ballot. States may need to change laws to add a new VP candidate to the Democratic ticket. All of it will be challenged in court and then we will have the very undemocratic process of the Supreme Court saying who gets to run for POTUS/VP.

In short, this is concerning because states do not appear to have a seamless mechanism for replacing a candidate on the ballot if someone dies after they have won the state nominating race. It is effectively an unconstitutional extra requirement to someone running for POTUS or VP. It's a much bigger problem than Joe Biden.

Your assertion makes no sense. Biden is not an indentured servant and can drop out. Are you saying if he were to be hit by a bus, the Democratic Party would have no nominee?

And if this were true, no Democrat would be suggesting that Biden withdraw his candidacy.

There is no nationalized standard to replace a POTUS candidate on a state ballot. It would be a 50 state process that would come down to interpretations of election laws, lawsuits, judges, and eventually the Supreme Court.

For example, I just took a look at Florida's election laws. There are no provisions that outline what happens when a nominated candidate either dies prior to the November election or backs out of the race AFTER winning the state primary. Conceivably, "Joe Biden/Kamala Harris" would still be printed on Florida's ballots. Absent the Florida legislature amending its election laws and the Governor signing said law, the DNC would need to try to run a write-in campaign for a new POTUS nominee. And then you're going to get tons of issues with that - is the writing legible? How is write-in done with voting machines? Etc.

So yes, I am saying the Democratic Party would effectively have no nominee in most states.

We're stuck with Biden. Accept it and move on.

If we are stuck with Biden, then the easy choise is Trump. Thank you!

The election should be postponed until December to give the states time to put the new candidate on the ballot.

If that is what it will take to save democracy and to stop Project 2025, then so be it.

But President Biden is committed to winning. Let’s not go to extremes when it isn’t necessary to do so. Uncle Joe can easily beat Drumpf again.

1968: We had to destroy the town to save it

2024: We had to postpone democracy to save it

All because a bot is programmed to keep mentioning Project 2025 in every comment.

Why people should not mentioned project 2025?

Project 2025 exposes the true extremism of the GOP's plans and platform.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Biden is giving a rousing speech to NATO leaders in Washington. His vigor and sharpness contrast with the doom and gloom spouted by the Doubting Thomases over the past few weeks.

Biden stands strong for us, and for our allies. He stands against a Drumpf presidency and regressive Project 2025

Warmongers stand strong for themselves, certainly not for us.

Democrats should be outraged at open border fentanyl and massive child rape.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Biden is giving a rousing speech to NATO leaders in Washington. His vigor and sharpness contrast with the doom and gloom spouted by the Doubting Thomases over the past few weeks.

Biden stands strong for us, and for our allies. He stands against a Drumpf presidency and regressive Project 2025

Looks like they got the meds right.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Biden is giving a rousing speech to NATO leaders in Washington. His vigor and sharpness contrast with the doom and gloom spouted by the Doubting Thomases over the past few weeks.

Biden stands strong for us, and for our allies. He stands against a Drumpf presidency and regressive Project 2025

Rousing?!? Was the highlight when he adopted Trump’s priority of getting NATO countries to pay their fair share? Or when he needed a uniformed official ensuring he exited the stage?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Meanwhile Biden is giving a rousing speech to NATO leaders in Washington. His vigor and sharpness contrast with the doom and gloom spouted by the Doubting Thomases over the past few weeks.

Biden stands strong for us, and for our allies. He stands against a Drumpf presidency and regressive Project 2025

Rousing?!? Was the highlight when he adopted Trump’s priority of getting NATO countries to pay their fair share? Or when he needed a uniformed official ensuring he exited the stage?

Remembering when Trump was laughed at by the UN Assembly. Such an embarrassment.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think that given the fact that Trump is also almost as old as Biden, that he shows serious cognitive decline, his inability to stay on point, his frequent incoherent rambling, his degeneration from being an articulate speaker to using a 5th-grade vocabulary, his frequent slurred and confused words, his delusional rants about weird made-up things like boat-battery-shark scenarios and having to flush the toilet 15 times - it's clear to me that Trump is objectively every bit as bad, if not worse than Biden.

But the fact that the posters here who carry on and on about "as a Democrat I..." and being shocked and dismayed about Biden either a.) quickly dismiss Trump's issues or b.) don't engage at all regarding Trump's age, health, and serious decline leads me to believe that a sizeable percentage of the "as a Democrat..." commentary here is anything of the sort, and instead it's concern trolling.

If you're concerned then you should ALSO be concerned about Trump. I'm not seeing it. You're all dishonest for not discussing it.

Because Trump’s mental health is better than Biden’s.

Sorry.

Maybe, but he’s scum.