2024 US News rankings

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton puts its endowment to work. I mean, I think they should make tuition 20k and get out of the college financing industry full stop, but at least they try more than most. And the word has gotten out that they're the most generous. So I get why they remain on top.

1000% if more colleges reduced their coa, then they wouldn't need legacy and rely on donors. You'd see more UMC/MC class students applying. Right now, a lot of high stats UMC/MC students don't even bother applying to those expensive colleges because of cost.

Which was great bc both of my mc/umc kids got into top 15... checks new list... top 20 schools with outstanding financial aid that made it a lot cheaper than Maryland. Don't think most middle-class-ish people realize that if Northwestern, Rice, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, Chicago, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and similar accept someone, it's generally going to work.

Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech are completely out of reach for OOS families that earn a salary. But those higher tier, high endowment private schools are very often much more affordable than state flagships.

Those expensive colleges do not give much aid to donut whole families.

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Anonymous wrote:VT is 47
W&M has fallen to 53

UMD gives alot of aid to First Gen, Low income, and URM. This is why they have risen so much in the rankings.

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My kid graduated from Berkeley recently and it was less expensive than all of the privates being considered due to scholarship money.[/qu[/b]ote]


Well, goody for both of you. Today, both UCLA and Berkeley take less than 10% OOS because the citizens of California revolted about inability to get into their great schools.

As is appropriate since we the citizens of California pay some of the highest state income taxes and property taxes (due to very high housing costs) in the country. We pay, our kids should benefit!

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I love in Maryland. My kid couldn't get in.

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My kid graduated from Berkeley recently and it was less expensive than all of the privates being considered due to scholarship money.[/qu[/b]ote]


Well, goody for both of you. Today, both UCLA and Berkeley take less than 10% OOS because the citizens of California revolted about inability to get into their great schools.

As is appropriate since we the citizens of California pay some of the highest state income taxes and property taxes (due to very high housing costs) in the country. We pay, our kids should benefit!


I believe they are. Look at all the highly ranked schools in California at USNews!

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I'm still shocked that Michigan and UNC are at 21 and 22. They can't hold a candle too UVA. Everyone in my social circle regards UVA in the same tier as the lower ivies, Michigan and UNC are bottom tier party schools

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“Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech are completely out of reach for OOS families that earn a salary. But those higher tier, high endowment private schools are very often much more affordable than state flagships.”

The difference is that the above state schools educate 4-5 times the amount of students as compared to the top privates. Most top privates couldn’t handle these enormous numbers without major tuition help.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still shocked that Michigan and UNC are at 21 and 22. They can't hold a candle too UVA. Everyone in my social circle regards UVA in the same tier as the lower ivies, Michigan and UNC are bottom tier party schools

Do your friends in social circles throw tantrums and repeat the same mantra over and over again “to.” lol

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still shocked that Michigan and UNC are at 21 and 22. They can't hold a candle to UVA. Everyone in my social circle regards UVA in the same tier as the lower ivies, Michigan and UNC are bottom tier party schools

Try therapy. You’ll feel better afterwards.

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Anonymous wrote:Princeton puts its endowment to work. I mean, I think they should make tuition 20k and get out of the college financing industry full stop, but at least they try more than most. And the word has gotten out that they're the most generous. So I get why they remain on top.

1000% if more colleges reduced their coa, then they wouldn't need legacy and rely on donors. You'd see more UMC/MC class students applying. Right now, a lot of high stats UMC/MC students don't even bother applying to those expensive colleges because of cost.

Which was great bc both of my mc/umc kids got into top 15... checks new list... top 20 schools with outstanding financial aid that made it a lot cheaper than Maryland. Don't think most middle-class-ish people realize that if Northwestern, Rice, Brown, Dartmouth, Duke, Chicago, Vanderbilt, Notre Dame and similar accept someone, it's generally going to work.

Berkeley, Michigan, UCLA, UNC, UVA, Georgia Tech are completely out of reach for OOS families that earn a salary. But those higher tier, high endowment private schools are very often much more affordable than state flagships.

I think you missed the point. If those expensive schools lowered the coa, you wouldn't need so much aid, and more students would apply. As it is, a lot of students from donut whole families do not apply because they aren't going to get much aid, and it's too expensive.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still shocked that Michigan and UNC are at 21 and 22. They can't hold a candle too UVA. Everyone in my social circle regards UVA in the same tier as the lower ivies, Michigan and UNC are bottom tier party schools

Relax. UVA is still in the top 5 best publics. Top three of course is out permanently.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still shocked that Michigan and UNC are at 21 and 22. They can't hold a candle too UVA. Everyone in my social circle regards UVA in the same tier as the lower ivies, Michigan and UNC are bottom tier party schools

In terms of UofM, your friends are clearly not in engineering.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still shocked that Michigan and UNC are at 21 and 22. They can't hold a candle too UVA. Everyone in my social circle regards UVA in the same tier as the lower ivies, Michigan and UNC are bottom tier party schools

In terms of UofM, your friends are clearly not in engineering.

+1 Depends on your major.

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My kid graduated from Berkeley recently and it was less expensive than all of the privates being considered due to scholarship money.[/qu[/b]ote]


Well, goody for both of you. Today, both UCLA and Berkeley take less than 10% OOS because the citizens of California revolted about inability to get into their great schools.

As is appropriate since we the citizens of California pay some of the highest state income taxes and property taxes (due to very high housing costs) in the country. We pay, our kids should benefit!


I don’t think anyone is arguing differently.

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Anonymous wrote:Thoughts about W&M dropping?

It’s the most expensive public college in the nation for in state students. 60k for OOS as a public with minimal OOS aid. And it’s not particularly diverse or socially mobile (I mean, #280 in social mobility for a public). And it doesn’t have a lot of pell grant kids. IOW, it may be public, but it’s still a rich kids school (or UMC DCUM school). Wonky rich kids from wealthier areas of VA. But, affluent all the same. It was never going to do well under the new DEI formulation.

It’s ranked 6th in undergrad teaching, which is what I care about.

—parent of a WM kid.

Hard to have much upward mobility when most of the student body started out at the top.

Yup. That’s Elon’s issue as well.