Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

More opinions, not data.

And more qualifiers with every post.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

How do we know this?

We don’t. But as I said even if it were true these are very small numbers . . .

But cmon, we know they didn’t all get into UVA.

How about data from more than two institutions?

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I wouldn’t go as far as calling it “data” but certainly PP has cherry picked “data” in the past.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

How do we know this?

We don’t. But as I said even if it were true these are very small numbers . . .

But cmon, we know they didn’t all get into UVA.

No one claimed “all”. Strawman.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are just more reasonable than others I suppose. Many DCUM college obsessed posters treat selecting a college for their kid like finding them a marriage partner or a soulmate. It just isn’t that way. There is no perfect fit but there are plenty of good ones. You need to go into the college selection process rationally, not emotionally. For most families it’s the most expensive thing they’re going to be paying for outside of their house.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. One turned down a perennial top 20 private and the other turned down a top OOS flagship. Both would have been full pay, and had it made any sense to any of us involved we would have paid it. We’re not poor. It’s just that, in the final analysis, it made no practical sense to go to either of those schools for twice the price of UVA.

Neither one of them had the best time of their lives in college. They had a very good time, though, and made good friends. The time of their lives came after college, when they traveled a lot then got good jobs and met and married great spouses.

There aren’t that many people for whom spending twice as much for college than they need to is doable at the wink of an eye. For those people - whatever. Have at it. But for the merely average rich among us, succumbing to the college arms race at such a ridiculous expense is insane.

So it was a financial decision for you. Just say that. Not everyone has the same priorities. It’s ok.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are just more reasonable than others I suppose. Many DCUM college obsessed posters treat selecting a college for their kid like finding them a marriage partner or a soulmate. It just isn’t that way. There is no perfect fit but there are plenty of good ones. You need to go into the college selection process rationally, not emotionally. For most families it’s the most expensive thing they’re going to be paying for outside of their house.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. One turned down a perennial top 20 private and the other turned down a top OOS flagship. Both would have been full pay, and had it made any sense to any of us involved we would have paid it. We’re not poor. It’s just that, in the final analysis, it made no practical sense to go to either of those schools for twice the price of UVA.

Neither one of them had the best time of their lives in college. They had a very good time, though, and made good friends. The time of their lives came after college, when they traveled a lot then got good jobs and met and married great spouses.

There aren’t that many people for whom spending twice as much for college than they need to is doable at the wink of an eye. For those people - whatever. Have at it. But for the merely average rich among us, succumbing to the college arms race at such a ridiculous expense is insane.

But you also paid twice what you needed to for college. A kid who can get into UVA can go to (for example) Bama for less than half the cost. UVA was the right mix of fit, cost, and prestige for you. For someone else, the answer is something cheaper. Or more prestigious. Those people are no less “reasonable,” and no more “insane,” than you are.

But, again, as you’ll see from what I’ve just posted, very, very few students are actually doing that.

“Very, very few”? BS. Plenty of kids go to other schools that are more prestigious or less cost.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid wants to go to an OoS flagship because we have extended family near the school and he spent summer visiting with them. He has a positive impression of the area, which is polar opposite of DC. He thinks many schools are overpriced for what they are.

I agree with the over priced comment, but going oos contradicts what he said about pricing. Does he not realize that?

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Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

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Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

You’ll never know if you don’t try.

Sure, and they may hate it.

I have lived in different cities and state across the country. My spouse even moved to a different continent. Different is not always better. But, sure, I can understand wanting to try it.

The PP stated " Just being somewhere different is fun."

My point is that just because it's different, doesn't make it more "fun" or better.

Some places aren’t necessarily “better” than other places but being somewhere new is fun for some people. Shake up the routine. Try new things. Appreciate things you like in other places.

People can find enjoyable things to do in most places where colleges are located.

YMMV.

"Try new things.."' what new things can an 18 yr old in PA try that they can't try in MD or VA?

Go to Penn state football game?

? that's kind of silly. You can still go to a Penn State football game while you attend UVA or UMD. They allow non students to attend their games you know.

I'm not the pp you quoted.
But Penn state isn't exactly a short trip from UVA or UMD. You'd need a car, which many college students don't have, and aren't able to rent due to age. A hotel room. I don't know about Penn state specifically but many college football stadiums have a "student section" which are the most fun for students--if you don't have a student ID (for that specific school) you can't get in to those sections.

I'm sorry, but that's a dumb answer to the question, though.

paying oos so that they could go to the football games there and sit in the student section -- seems to be a superficial, immature reason to pay oos for college.

Strawman. The question was what is something you can do in PA but not VA/MD. NOT why does the kid want to go to school OOS.

Ok, but you can say, "I can have an actually Philly cheesesteak made in Philly rather than one made in MD". See how ridiculous cherry picking "things I can't do in MD or VA" seems.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

It’s data supporting the point I made earlier: many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

You have no better data. Only opinions from your rigid mindset.

My kids haven’t applied yet. I’ve already shared that I’m ok if they pick in-state or OOS. It is their choice. I’m not limiting them based on geography. I am encouraging them to look at OOS options so they experience living somewhere else.

If they pick flagship OOS then that’s still probably cheaper than most privates so a reasonable choice.

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Anonymous wrote:My kid wants to go to an OoS flagship because we have extended family near the school and he spent summer visiting with them. He has a positive impression of the area, which is polar opposite of DC. He thinks many schools are overpriced for what they are.

I agree with the over priced comment, but going oos contradicts what he said about pricing. Does he not realize that?

Oos public $$ << private $$

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Anonymous wrote:College students care much less about museums and culture than parents. Students choose OOS flagships bc they want a big school, big sports experience. These schools are mostly in cities where the university is the center of the city.

It’s not for everybody, but many students like the traditional college experience.

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Absolutely agree. They want the big school, big sports experience - it's not because the towns of the OOS flagships are so great in comparison to their home cities.

I don’t think the towns even necessarily need to be “better”. Just being somewhere different is fun.

er.. different is not always fun.

You’ll never know if you don’t try.

Sure, and they may hate it.

I have lived in different cities and state across the country. My spouse even moved to a different continent. Different is not always better. But, sure, I can understand wanting to try it.

The PP stated " Just being somewhere different is fun."

My point is that just because it's different, doesn't make it more "fun" or better.

Some places aren’t necessarily “better” than other places but being somewhere new is fun for some people. Shake up the routine. Try new things. Appreciate things you like in other places.

People can find enjoyable things to do in most places where colleges are located.

YMMV.

"Try new things.."' what new things can an 18 yr old in PA try that they can't try in MD or VA?

Go to Penn state football game?

? that's kind of silly. You can still go to a Penn State football game while you attend UVA or UMD. They allow non students to attend their games you know.

I'm not the pp you quoted.
But Penn state isn't exactly a short trip from UVA or UMD. You'd need a car, which many college students don't have, and aren't able to rent due to age. A hotel room. I don't know about Penn state specifically but many college football stadiums have a "student section" which are the most fun for students--if you don't have a student ID (for that specific school) you can't get in to those sections.

I'm sorry, but that's a dumb answer to the question, though.

paying oos so that they could go to the football games there and sit in the student section -- seems to be a superficial, immature reason to pay oos for college.

Strawman. The question was what is something you can do in PA but not VA/MD. NOT why does the kid want to go to school OOS.

Ok, but you can say, "I can have an actually Philly cheesesteak made in Philly rather than one made in MD". See how ridiculous cherry picking "things I can't do in MD or VA" seems.

Literally no one said that was the reason why they picked an OOS school.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

How do we know this?

We don’t. But as I said even if it were true these are very small numbers . . .

But cmon, we know they didn’t all get into UVA.

How about data from more than two institutions?

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I wouldn’t go as far as calling it “data” but certainly PP has cherry picked “data” in the past.

We’ve long ago drifted into the realm of the absurd. I’m not going to research every OOS flagship for you. You can do that just as easily yourself and prove me wrong if you want.

The University of Alabama enrolled a little over 200 Virginians last year. That’s the real outlier. But as others have noted, UA is throwing money to attract OOS students, which are now nearly 70 percent of its undergrad population. Even here, though, there are as many from PA, NY and NJ than VA even though VA is closer geographically.

And, again, we know that Alabama is spending lots of money to get these students. That’s not what we’re talking about. We are talking about Virginia residents electing to pay full freight to attend non-top-tie 00S flagships.

You all have computers too. Prove me wrong.

And stop being so damned jealous lol

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

It’s data supporting the point I made earlier: many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

You have no better data. Only opinions from your rigid mindset.

My kids haven’t applied yet. I’ve already shared that I’m ok if they pick in-state or OOS. It is their choice. I’m not limiting them based on geography. I am encouraging them to look at OOS options so they experience living somewhere else.

If they pick flagship OOS then that’s still probably cheaper than most privates so a reasonable choice.

I can’t wait until your kids don’t get into UVA. Chances are they wont. And that’s what you’re preparing yourself for.

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So the qualifier now is “full freight”. Ok.

I’ve already shared data comparing many different schools. I’m on my third drink now. If you have data to support your claim, go nuts. We aren’t doing the work for you.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

It’s data supporting the point I made earlier: many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

You have no better data. Only opinions from your rigid mindset.

My kids haven’t applied yet. I’ve already shared that I’m ok if they pick in-state or OOS. It is their choice. I’m not limiting them based on geography. I am encouraging them to look at OOS options so they experience living somewhere else.

If they pick flagship OOS then that’s still probably cheaper than most privates so a reasonable choice.

I can’t wait until your kids don’t get into UVA. Chances are they wont. And that’s what you’re preparing yourself for.

Based on what? You’re full of opinions but short on data.

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And hilarious you think people are “jealous” of kids going to a state school.