Why are OOS flagships so popular these days?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is a bastion of southern pride and it isn't a good fit for everyone.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are just more reasonable than others I suppose. Many DCUM college obsessed posters treat selecting a college for their kid like finding them a marriage partner or a soulmate. It just isn’t that way. There is no perfect fit but there are plenty of good ones. You need to go into the college selection process rationally, not emotionally. For most families it’s the most expensive thing they’re going to be paying for outside of their house.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. One turned down a perennial top 20 private and the other turned down a top OOS flagship. Both would have been full pay, and had it made any sense to any of us involved we would have paid it. We’re not poor. It’s just that, in the final analysis, it made no practical sense to go to either of those schools for twice the price of UVA.

Neither one of them had the best time of their lives in college. They had a very good time, though, and made good friends. The time of their lives came after college, when they traveled a lot then got good jobs and met and married great spouses.

There aren’t that many people for whom spending twice as much for college than they need to is doable at the wink of an eye. For those people - whatever. Have at it. But for the merely average rich among us, succumbing to the college arms race at such a ridiculous expense is insane.

But you also paid twice what you needed to for college. A kid who can get into UVA can go to (for example) Bama for less than half the cost. UVA was the right mix of fit, cost, and prestige for you. For someone else, the answer is something cheaper. Or more prestigious. Those people are no less “reasonable,” and no more “insane,” than you are.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are just more reasonable than others I suppose. Many DCUM college obsessed posters treat selecting a college for their kid like finding them a marriage partner or a soulmate. It just isn’t that way. There is no perfect fit but there are plenty of good ones. You need to go into the college selection process rationally, not emotionally. For most families it’s the most expensive thing they’re going to be paying for outside of their house.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. One turned down a perennial top 20 private and the other turned down a top OOS flagship. Both would have been full pay, and had it made any sense to any of us involved we would have paid it. We’re not poor. It’s just that, in the final analysis, it made no practical sense to go to either of those schools for twice the price of UVA.

Neither one of them had the best time of their lives in college. They had a very good time, though, and made good friends. The time of their lives came after college, when they traveled a lot then got good jobs and met and married great spouses.

There aren’t that many people for whom spending twice as much for college than they need to is doable at the wink of an eye. For those people - whatever. Have at it. But for the merely average rich among us, succumbing to the college arms race at such a ridiculous expense is insane.

But you also paid twice what you needed to
for college. A kid who can get into UVA can go to (for example) Bama for less than half the cost. UVA was the right mix of fit, cost, and prestige for you. For someone else, the answer is something cheaper. Or more prestigious. Those people are no less “reasonable,” and no more “insane,” than you are.

False. I just checked. OOS Alabama is $32K and doesn't cover flights, etc. UVA is $37K instate and that figure does cover everything. And, uh, I would NEVER send my kid to the U of alabama for many reasons

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are just more reasonable than others I suppose. Many DCUM college obsessed posters treat selecting a college for their kid like finding them a marriage partner or a soulmate. It just isn’t that way. There is no perfect fit but there are plenty of good ones. You need to go into the college selection process rationally, not emotionally. For most families it’s the most expensive thing they’re going to be paying for outside of their house.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. One turned down a perennial top 20 private and the other turned down a top OOS flagship. Both would have been full pay, and had it made any sense to any of us involved we would have paid it. We’re not poor. It’s just that, in the final analysis, it made no practical sense to go to either of those schools for twice the price of UVA.

Neither one of them had the best time of their lives in college. They had a very good time, though, and made good friends. The time of their lives came after college, when they traveled a lot then got good jobs and met and married great spouses.

There aren’t that many people for whom spending twice as much for college than they need to is doable at the wink of an eye. For those people - whatever. Have at it. But for the merely average rich among us, succumbing to the college arms race at such a ridiculous expense is insane.

But you also paid twice what you needed to
for college. A kid who can get into UVA can go to (for example) Bama for less than half the cost. UVA was the right mix of fit, cost, and prestige for you. For someone else, the answer is something cheaper. Or more prestigious. Those people are no less “reasonable,” and no more “insane,” than you are.

False. I just checked. OOS Alabama is $32K and doesn't cover flights, etc. UVA is $37K instate and that figure does cover everything. And, uh, I would NEVER send my kid to the U of alabama for many reasons

Did you miss the part where they give an automatic $28K discount to students with a 3.5/1420? And a $24K discount for a 3.5/1360.

See? You’re happy to pay twice what you “need to” to avoid Alabama. Someone else feels the same about Amherst over UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are just more reasonable than others I suppose. Many DCUM college obsessed posters treat selecting a college for their kid like finding them a marriage partner or a soulmate. It just isn’t that way. There is no perfect fit but there are plenty of good ones. You need to go into the college selection process rationally, not emotionally. For most families it’s the most expensive thing they’re going to be paying for outside of their house.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. One turned down a perennial top 20 private and the other turned down a top OOS flagship. Both would have been full pay, and had it made any sense to any of us involved we would have paid it. We’re not poor. It’s just that, in the final analysis, it made no practical sense to go to either of those schools for twice the price of UVA.

Neither one of them had the best time of their lives in college. They had a very good time, though, and made good friends. The time of their lives came after college, when they traveled a lot then got good jobs and met and married great spouses.

There aren’t that many people for whom spending twice as much for college than they need to is doable at the wink of an eye. For those people - whatever. Have at it. But for the merely average rich among us, succumbing to the college arms race at such a ridiculous expense is insane.

But you also paid twice what you needed to for college. A kid who can get into UVA can go to (for example) Bama for less than half the cost. UVA was the right mix of fit, cost, and prestige for you. For someone else, the answer is something cheaper. Or more prestigious. Those people are no less “reasonable,” and no more “insane,” than you are.

But, again, as you’ll see from what I’ve just posted, very, very few students are actually doing that.

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Anonymous wrote:Some people are just more reasonable than others I suppose. Many DCUM college obsessed posters treat selecting a college for their kid like finding them a marriage partner or a soulmate. It just isn’t that way. There is no perfect fit but there are plenty of good ones. You need to go into the college selection process rationally, not emotionally. For most families it’s the most expensive thing they’re going to be paying for outside of their house.

I had two kids go to UVA in state. One turned down a perennial top 20 private and the other turned down a top OOS flagship. Both would have been full pay, and had it made any sense to any of us involved we would have paid it. We’re not poor. It’s just that, in the final analysis, it made no practical sense to go to either of those schools for twice the price of UVA.

Neither one of them had the best time of their lives in college. They had a very good time, though, and made good friends. The time of their lives came after college, when they traveled a lot then got good jobs and met and married great spouses.

There aren’t that many people for whom spending twice as much for college than they need to is doable at the wink of an eye. For those people - whatever. Have at it. But for the merely average rich among us, succumbing to the college arms race at such a ridiculous expense is insane.

But you also paid twice what you needed to
for college. A kid who can get into UVA can go to (for example) Bama for less than half the cost. UVA was the right mix of fit, cost, and prestige for you. For someone else, the answer is something cheaper. Or more prestigious. Those people are no less “reasonable,” and no more “insane,” than you are.

False. I just checked. OOS Alabama is $32K and doesn't cover flights, etc. UVA is $37K instate and that figure does cover everything. And, uh, I would NEVER send my kid to the U of alabama for many reasons

Did you miss the part where they give an automatic $28K discount to students with a 3.5/1420? And a $24K discount for a 3.5/1360.

See? You’re happy to pay twice what you “need to” to avoid Alabama. Someone else feels the same about Amherst over UVA.

Except by any objective measure Amherst is not twice the school that UVA is and Alabama is definitely less than half the school that UVA is. I also guaranteed you that more kids are turning down UVA for Amherst than UVA for Alabama no matter how much money they get.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

How do we know this?

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Anonymous wrote:UVA is a bastion of southern pride and it isn't a good fit for everyone.

Easy there, Grand Wizard. Sounds like you're thinking of Ole Miss or Virginia Tech instead.

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My kid wants to go to an OoS flagship because we have extended family near the school and he spent summer visiting with them. He has a positive impression of the area, which is polar opposite of DC. He thinks many schools are overpriced for what they are.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

How do we know this?

How do we know what?

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

How do we know this?

We don’t. But as I said even if it were true these are very small numbers . . .

But cmon, we know they didn’t all get into UVA.

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Anonymous wrote:I’m one of the UVA boosters and I’m just gonna sum things up as fairly and honestly and inoffensively as I can.

UVA is a highly selective school with an excellent reputation.

Most students who get into UVA in state elect to attend. Among those who don’t, some go to top privates instead. Others go to other top publics and pay full tuition. Some go to other lower ranked OOS publics and privates because of merit aid.

Few go to lower ranked OOS publics and pay full tuition.

In state students who don’t or can’t get into UVA often have high enough stats to get into all but the very best OOS flagships. These students will often elect to attend one of them over in state options other than UVA.

But an in state student who is accepted at UVA but not accepted at a top OOS public is not likely to attend another OOS public and pay full tuition just to get out of Virginia. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, just that it’s uncommon.

1. Where is the data supporting this?

2. This thread isn’t just about UVA.

3. Glad you acknowledge that other people have different preferences than you.

4. Many kids/parents seek out OOS colleges regardless of their ability to get accepted at any particular in-state college.

I don’t have to offer data for all of this. Much of it is intuitive. It starts with the DATA that we do know: 57 percent of offered in state applicants elect to attend. That leaves 43 percent who don’t. Where do you think they’re going? What percentage of admitted UVA kids do YOU think are going to OOS flagships outside of, say, Michigan, the UCs, UNC and Georgia Tech and paying full fare? Remember, we’re starting with a number that’s less than half, and we know that many in state kids who are admitted to UVA elect to go to private schools. When all of this is taken into account, how do YOU think the numbers look?

At least I am starting with one truly accurate and identifiable data point. You have offered none.

So you don’t have data. Just your (close-minded, rigid) opinion. Got it.

I have already posted data that demonstrates that many kids do choose schools that are more expensive and lower ranked than UVA.

Sorry you struggle with this but UVA isn’t a good fit for many kids. Regardless of the price tag and ranking.

Any kid who wants to go to school OOS for a starter.

Did you ever even give your kids the option?

Man you are truly incapable of engaging in serious discussion. Your data is no more complete than the data I have given no matter how many times you say it is. You’re exhausting.

Just answer me this: did any of your kids turn down a UVA offer for an OOS flagship paying full tuition? It’s a very straightforward question.

How would this anecdote help your argument? DP

Does this help?

According to college factual, of the combined total of nearly 20,000 new students entering indiana University and Ohio State combined, only 39 at IU and only 56 at OSU are even FROM Virginia. That’s less than 1/2 of one percent. Neither school includes VA among its top 10 OOS feeders.

Even if all 95 of them turned down UVA, which we all know didn’t happen, that’s a very, very small fraction of the 2600+ number of VA students who didn’t.

This is what I mean when I said you need to take the Parchmont percentage with a huge grain of salt. Very few actual students are turning down UVA for non-top tier OOS flashships.

How do we know this?

We don’t. But as I said even if it were true these are very small numbers . . .

But cmon, we know they didn’t all get into UVA.

How about data from more than two institutions?