Fire in upper NW?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:DC really needs the death penalty..JUST for This Case..this has to be the worst murders in the history of this country..I can not think of any other murder case that had all of the elements involved. The house should be torn down and not resold! Police said they took from the home photographs, hair fibers, shoe prints “and other forms of biological / forensic evidence.” Detectives also took personal papers and writings, financial documents, money, bedding, plastic bags, trash bags, tape, matches, lighters, buckets and several vehicles. Police said they took “all electronic devices” and weapons, though the document did not describe them. Police also seized pizza boxes, pizza, beverage containers and “materials related to surveillance systems and digital storage HERES ATTY FICKER JUNK FORENSIC SCIENCE!!! Let his grandmom have lunch with him..And media is stuck on a pool party flash mob..and there are death threats, lawsuits and protests??? And this is ignored by National Network Media..like MSN and MSNBC!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-seize-evidence-from-savopoulos-home-as-part-of-murder-investigation/2015/06/11/6b1f2088-1053-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html?hpid=z2

I agree with you. Connecticut basically decided to keep the death penalty just for the Cheshire murder case of 2007 claiming the crime was "so heinous, so depraved, that society is best served by imposing the ultimate sanction on the criminal." I think this should be the case for Wint and I'm not a huge advocate of the death penalty. When you have severe cases like this with irrefutable evidence like DNA, it's hard to think anything else would be just.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC really needs the death penalty..JUST for This Case..this has to be the worst murders in the history of this country..I can not think of any other murder case that had all of the elements involved. The house should be torn down and not resold! Police said they took from the home photographs, hair fibers, shoe prints “and other forms of biological / forensic evidence.” Detectives also took personal papers and writings, financial documents, money, bedding, plastic bags, trash bags, tape, matches, lighters, buckets and several vehicles. Police said they took “all electronic devices” and weapons, though the document did not describe them. Police also seized pizza boxes, pizza, beverage containers and “materials related to surveillance systems and digital storage HERES ATTY FICKER JUNK FORENSIC SCIENCE!!! Let his grandmom have lunch with him..And media is stuck on a pool party flash mob..and there are death threats, lawsuits and protests??? And this is ignored by National Network Media..like MSN and MSNBC!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-seize-evidence-from-savopoulos-home-as-part-of-murder-investigation/2015/06/11/6b1f2088-1053-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html?hpid=z2

As awful as this was, it is not the worst murder case that this country has ever seen. Not by a longshot.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

I agree with you. There are plenty that are sadly more heinous than this but the fact that torturing a child was involved definitely puts it up there as one of the worst, at least in recent history.

[Anonymous]

Cheshire was equally bad, if not worse, they raped the daughter in that case.

[Anonymous]

I think this was the worst crime - committed by children.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

[Anonymous]

Anderson Cooper--CNN---sharing info tonight re this horrific crime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:But assuming more than one perp - why does 1 of them (and presumably only 1) leave burning house in Porsche? Others are not going to take risk of just leaving house on foot. There must be another car involved. Public transportation too far away; not plausible they would take it. Or do 2 guys leave in Porsche and one gets dropped off at metro? Why would they do that?

In my opinion, Porsche was taken to church parking lot at 1:30. Perp goes home, showers, etc. Then comes back to torch it at 5:30.

Very plausible idea about the Porsche being left in the church parking lot while Wint went to get himself cleaned up at 1:30. He was taking a huge risk that no one would notice the car and link it with the house fire, but maybe that lot is pretty empty during the week.

Not sure if everyone knows that Wint has also stabbed three other people. I can't help wondering if he stabbed or killed somebody else after leaving the Savopolous house, and set fire to destroy evidence.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC really needs the death penalty..JUST for This Case..this has to be the worst murders in the history of this country..I can not think of any other murder case that had all of the elements involved. The house should be torn down and not resold! Police said they took from the home photographs, hair fibers, shoe prints “and other forms of biological / forensic evidence.” Detectives also took personal papers and writings, financial documents, money, bedding, plastic bags, trash bags, tape, matches, lighters, buckets and several vehicles. Police said they took “all electronic devices” and weapons, though the document did not describe them. Police also seized pizza boxes, pizza, beverage containers and “materials related to surveillance systems and digital storage HERES ATTY FICKER JUNK FORENSIC SCIENCE!!! Let his grandmom have lunch with him..And media is stuck on a pool party flash mob..and there are death threats, lawsuits and protests??? And this is ignored by National Network Media..like MSN and MSNBC!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-seize-evidence-from-savopoulos-home-as-part-of-murder-investigation/2015/06/11/6b1f2088-1053-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html?hpid=z2

As awful as this was, it is not the worst murder case that this country has ever seen. Not by a longshot.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

I agree with you. There are plenty that are sadly more heinous than this but the fact that torturing a child was involved definitely puts it up there as one of the worst, at least in recent history.

I'm just not sure about the torturing of the child - really hasn't been confirmed. The burning thing was after he had bludgeoned them all - he planned to burn them all to conceal evidence, but the fire didn't ignite in adult's room. He wasn't burning them alive but after he thought they were dead - just happened that the child and housekeeper were still barely alive. What about guy and his girlfriend who killed a woman/ child and her friend who he thought stole his money. They held them captive for a while first trying to find out where the money was, then killed the women in front of the child. Then the girlfriend took the child (who was in shock and said he had to pee) to the bathroom. Then they killed the child. Pretty horrible stuff.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
I'm just not sure about the torturing of the child - really hasn't been confirmed.

Yes it has

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The fact that Wint was roaming free on the streets of America after being convicted of multiple violent crimes including 3 stabbings documented in the ABC news story should be a massive scandal. Our criminal justice system needs to be much tougher on crime. If more prisons need to be built, so be it. The judge who gave him 89 days after his second-offense stabbing should be publicly exposes and disciplined for incompetence.

As soon as we learnt details of the savagery in this crime, DH and I felt certain this DDW was yet another monster set free by a bad judge.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:DC really needs the death penalty..JUST for This Case..this has to be the worst murders in the history of this country..I can not think of any other murder case that had all of the elements involved. The house should be torn down and not resold! Police said they took from the home photographs, hair fibers, shoe prints “and other forms of biological / forensic evidence.” Detectives also took personal papers and writings, financial documents, money, bedding, plastic bags, trash bags, tape, matches, lighters, buckets and several vehicles. Police said they took “all electronic devices” and weapons, though the document did not describe them. Police also seized pizza boxes, pizza, beverage containers and “materials related to surveillance systems and digital storage HERES ATTY FICKER JUNK FORENSIC SCIENCE!!! Let his grandmom have lunch with him..And media is stuck on a pool party flash mob..and there are death threats, lawsuits and protests??? And this is ignored by National Network Media..like MSN and MSNBC!!!

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/crime/police-seize-evidence-from-savopoulos-home-as-part-of-murder-investigation/2015/06/11/6b1f2088-1053-11e5-a0dc-2b6f404ff5cf_story.html?hpid=z2

As awful as this was, it is not the worst murder case that this country has ever seen. Not by a longshot.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom

OMG, this case makes me so sad every time I think of it. Absolutely horrific.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think this was the worst crime - committed by children.
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_James_Bulger

OMG...This one, too. Please, no more. This case seriously had me so fucking sad. That poor boy! And the killers are free!

[Anonymous]

What does the phrase 'windmilling knives" mean?
I picture him twirling them around like a windmill, is that correct?

Scarey as hell, where did he learn these sick skills?

As far as wint killing someone else after setting fire to the mansion, to the poster who proposed that idea, what gave you that idea? Have bodies been found, or people going missing recently in the area?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:But is it really plausible that SS would have Figueroa's husband's cell on his phone? Not to me.

Really? I still have number of husband for former nanny. Maybe you don't live that way, but others do.

[Anonymous]

The husband was probably calling her phone and that's were they got the number from. Called ID on the bousekeepers phone.

[Anonymous]

Is there a thread for ideas of how to emotionally get over this a little bit? It's very difficult to process. I haven't read this thread.