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[/i]5. Assuming it was SS at 11:54 Thursday call to Jordan, what possible purpose to that call?
It was probably DW using SS phone (assuming you think Jordan is involved). it may have been a code...just let the phone ring, or Jordan willfully didn't answer.

But I do not assume that JW was involved with Wint. In fact, I am convinced that he was not.

JW is a US citizen I believe , so wondering why would he need his passport in his backpack?

I did not realize that carrying a passport is evidence of criminal intent. I am a US citizen and I have carried by passport in my backpack before without intending to flee the country. It is a useful ID in the DC area, where some secure facilities require two photo IDs.

Back to JW, as far as we know, all he did was make a delivery as instructed by his boss.

Did JW have to go to the bank to get the money, or was that a different assistant? If he did, or even though that he might have to, I could see him bringing the passport as ID.

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i took a break from this thread, so may not be caught up on everything... did we already discuss/post that SS contractor said the garage was locked and needed to be opened by code?

If this is true, then JW's lie wasn't a simple "I placed it in a locked car" vs "the car was not locked".... "it was 2 bundles" vs "it was 4 bundles". The lie had to be big enought for LE to mention it in the beginning. LE said JW changed his story and He lied. He told 2 stories and they both were lies.

JW probably didn't mention how he got into the GARAGE. That is not a simple mis-speak. if this is all true, he clearly implicated himself.

I love how we all want to give JW the benefit of the doubt, but LE is leaking information that they want us to have. This piece of intel given from the very beginning has to be pretty significant.

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So if anyone can, please explain this to me:

It has been reported that when Mr. Figueroa Came to the door looking for his wife, he could "sense that someone was on the other side of the door".
As he left the door and started to walk around the side of the house, he received the call from Mr. Savapoulos.

If there was only one perpetrator, how could the person on the other side of the door, get upstairs and order Mr. Savapoulos to call Mr. Figueroa all within what must have been a very short time frame? Hmmm , but if there were 2, the person at the door would still have had to run upstairs to tell Wint, so maybe that isn't a good theory?

I've been presuming that the Savapouloses and Ms. Figueroa were kept upstairs all night, due to the pizza being found upstairs with them.

Anyone care to weigh in?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:i took a break from this thread, so may not be caught up on everything... did we already discuss/post that SS contractor said the garage was locked and needed to be opened by code?

If this is true, then JW's lie wasn't a simple "I placed it in a locked car" vs "the car was not locked".... "it was 2 bundles" vs "it was 4 bundles". The lie had to be big enought for LE to mention it in the beginning. LE said JW changed his story and He lied. He told 2 stories and they both were lies.

JW probably didn't mention how he got into the GARAGE. That is not a simple mis-speak. if this is all true, he clearly implicated himself.

I love how we all want to give JW the benefit of the doubt, but LE is leaking information that they want us to have. This piece of intel given from the very beginning has to be pretty significant.

Yes, that was discussed a while back. Of course no one knows for sure what happened. Some suggested it is possible that SS had given JW the remote access to the garage. It would have been much easier for JW to pick up a car if SS needed to send JW on an errand for example.

Because according to JW's instagram photos, JW did drive the vehicles on his own at times.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:i took a break from this thread, so may not be caught up on everything... did we already discuss/post that SS contractor said the garage was locked and needed to be opened by code?

If this is true, then JW's lie wasn't a simple "I placed it in a locked car" vs "the car was not locked".... "it was 2 bundles" vs "it was 4 bundles". The lie had to be big enought for LE to mention it in the beginning. LE said JW changed his story and He lied. He told 2 stories and they both were lies.

JW probably didn't mention how he got into the GARAGE. That is not a simple mis-speak. if this is all true, he clearly implicated himself.

I love how we all want to give JW the benefit of the doubt, but LE is leaking information that they want us to have. This piece of intel given from the very beginning has to be pretty significant.

Yes, that was discussed a while back. Of course no one knows for sure what happened. Some suggested it is possible that SS had given JW the remote access to the garage. It would have been much easier for JW to pick up a car if SS needed to send JW on an errand for example.

Because according to JW's instagram photos, JW did drive the vehicles on his own at times.

But why did he lie? Or did LE get it wrong-- i.e., he gave one statement and LE wrote it down wrong -- and that is causing the inconsistencies. I didn't suspect him until the Washington Post provided reports that he said the drop happened in the evening and then said it was in the morning. That plus all these other details being wrong-- door is locked, no-- it was unlocked, etc. sure seems suspicious to me. The bragging about all the $$ in the package isn't damning in my eyes. But the inconsistent stories-- very, very strange.

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http://abcnews.go.com/US/dc-mansion-murder-suspects-stabbing-victim-recalls-deadly/story?id=31672670

Another victim of Wint speaks up about two stabbing incidents. WHY was this guy never flagged for deportation before??? It baffles me that post 9/11 US authorities are not doing a better job in keeping criminals of any kind away, especially one with more than 30 "brushes" with the law.

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Anonymous wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/US/dc-mansion-murder-suspects-stabbing-victim-recalls-deadly/story?id=31672670

Another victim of Wint speaks up about two stabbing incidents. WHY was this guy never flagged for deportation before??? It baffles me that post 9/11 US authorities are not doing a better job in keeping criminals of any kind away, especially one with more than 30 "brushes" with the law.

Horrible. I hope more of his victims will speak out. Unconscionable that he was allowed to stay in the US and not deported.

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Anonymous wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/US/dc-mansion-murder-suspects-stabbing-victim-recalls-deadly/story?id=31672670

Another victim of Wint speaks up about two stabbing incidents. WHY was this guy never flagged for deportation before??? It baffles me that post 9/11 US authorities are not doing a better job in keeping criminals of any kind away, especially one with more than 30 "brushes" with the law.

Horrible. I hope more of his victims will speak out. Unconscionable that he was allowed to stay in the US and not deported.

Yes, terrible. To read the article, it seems that Wint is the type to hold a grudge over time. The man who he attacked was again attacked by Wint 6 months later out of the blue. That may support some people's theories that Wint held some kind of grudge for whatever (ridiculous) reason against the S family and came back yrs later to attack.

RIP Sav family.

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Anonymous wrote:http://abcnews.go.com/US/dc-mansion-murder-suspects-stabbing-victim-recalls-deadly/story?id=31672670

Another victim of Wint speaks up about two stabbing incidents. WHY was this guy never flagged for deportation before??? It baffles me that post 9/11 US authorities are not doing a better job in keeping criminals of any kind away, especially one with more than 30 "brushes" with the law.

Horrible. I hope more of his victims will speak out. Unconscionable that he was allowed to stay in the US and not deported.

Yes, terrible. To read the article, it seems that Wint is the type to hold a grudge over time. The man who he attacked was again attacked by Wint 6 months later out of the blue. That may support some people's theories that Wint held some kind of grudge for whatever (ridiculous) reason against the S family and came back yrs later to attack.

RIP Sav family.

Po above and of course RIP Vera

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So if anyone can, please explain this to me:

It has been reported that when Mr. Figueroa Came to the door looking for his wife, he could "sense that someone was on the other side of the door".
As he left the door and started to walk around the side of the house, he received the call from Mr. Savapoulos.

If there was only one perpetrator, how could the person on the other side of the door, get upstairs and order Mr. Savapoulos to call Mr. Figueroa all within what must have been a very short time frame? Hmmm , but if there were 2, the person at the door would still have had to run upstairs to tell Wint, so maybe that isn't a good theory?

I've been presuming that the Savapouloses and Ms. Figueroa were kept upstairs all night, due to the pizza being found upstairs with them.

Anyone care to weigh in?

Also, in the awful voicemail where you can hear the child in the background (which is no longer available in full length), the child's voice is coming from a distance/another part of the house and sounds as though the child is reacting to someone in same room as the child - so would assume that someone else besides Wint was there since someone likely stayed with SS when he was leaving the voice message for NG so that he didn't alert her that something was going on.

[Anonymous]

I'm still not clear on the link between Wint and SS. Obviously, SS was targeted, but why did Wint pick him? Did they in fact know one another?

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Anonymous wrote:i took a break from this thread, so may not be caught up on everything... did we already discuss/post that SS contractor said the garage was locked and needed to be opened by code?

If this is true, then JW's lie wasn't a simple "I placed it in a locked car" vs "the car was not locked".... "it was 2 bundles" vs "it was 4 bundles". The lie had to be big enought for LE to mention it in the beginning. LE said JW changed his story and He lied. He told 2 stories and they both were lies.

JW probably didn't mention how he got into the GARAGE. That is not a simple mis-speak. if this is all true, he clearly implicated himself.

I love how we all want to give JW the benefit of the doubt, but LE is leaking information that they want us to have. This piece of intel given from the very beginning has to be pretty significant.

Yes, that was discussed a while back. Of course no one knows for sure what happened. Some suggested it is possible that SS had given JW the remote access to the garage. It would have been much easier for JW to pick up a car if SS needed to send JW on an errand for example.

Because according to JW's instagram photos, JW did drive the vehicles on his own at times.

But why did he lie? Or did LE get it wrong-- i.e., he gave one statement and LE wrote it down wrong -- and that is causing the inconsistencies. I didn't suspect him until the Washington Post provided reports that he said the drop happened in the evening and then said it was in the morning. That plus all these other details being wrong-- door is locked, no-- it was unlocked, etc. sure seems suspicious to me. The bragging about all the $$ in the package isn't damning in my eyes. But the inconsistent stories-- very, very strange.

He didn't lie about when he dropped off the money. He lied about when he was first contacted by SS about to do it. Saying he called me Thursday morning vs. saying he first texted me Wednesday night was a big deal to the police because they were trying to establish the timeline of events, but it isn't evidence that Wallace was involved in the crime. None of his lies or omissions are in themselves incriminating. Whether or not the car was locked and whether the money was already in the bag or he put it in the bag are not things that tie him to the crime one way or other. Who knows why he did not tell the truth right up front?

If he is innocent, then he had just found out that his boss, the boss' wife, son, and housekeeper had been held hostage, tortured, and murdered, and that his errand to deliver cash had been ransom money, not an entertaining episode of lifestyles of the rich. I suspect he was rattled, embarrassed, and/or ashamed that he had not suspected something was up. Then the police clearly treated him with suspicion, so maybe he tried to understate his awareness of the cash transaction as a way of explaining why he had not figured out that the family was being held hostage inside.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm still not clear on the link between Wint and SS. Obviously, SS was targeted, but why did Wint pick him? Did they in fact know one another?

Don't know that they knew each other directly. Wint was an employee at SS family company years ago. Was spotted with a machete outside the premises after leaving their employ. Another Wint relative is said to have also left the SS company more recently. Lastly, some DCUM posters theorize that Wint may have confused the SS family company with another company in NY that paid a settlement to his fellow countrymen due to some type of employment issues

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jsteele wrote:Bruce Leshan is reporting that the police found a baseball bat in the house caked in blood.

https://twitter.com/BruceLeshan/status/608745399675924480

Thanks for the update. Those poor innocent people.

The evidence seems to be multiplying and I don't see how Wint or his defense attorney could ever explain it away.

OMG :'( and there are protest over a flash mob at a pool take over..while national news media are flocking to Texas..this family and their housekeep have all but been forgotten..or people don't care. :'( Sick Evil Heartbreaking

http://6abc.com/news/bat-with-apparent-blood-found-in-dc-mansion-murder-house/776949/

really?

I'm just disgusted by the comments on facebook..and how some feel about this horror and cold blood murder..And had my share of arguments with closed minded people.. that feel a pool party take over where no one was killed is worse then this slaughter of 4 people over money? Jealous rage drugs must likely..Terrible Oh you will find the comments on facebook for the MSN But the Washington post is also posting story on how to film police..Really?? Why would you want to film a cop?? Use to be illegal.. Now back to the murders.. two perps inside the auto?? There has to be cameras all over that area..other homes.. intersections .. surprised all of the information that was released Oh what happen to the lawyer Ficker?? Junk Forensic ..my butt.. my daughter just graduated with a masters in forensic science.. What a disgrace.. cant believe he is still a lawyer.. or is he only a real estate lawyer?

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The fact that Wint was roaming free on the streets of America after being convicted of multiple violent crimes including 3 stabbings documented in the ABC news story should be a massive scandal. Our criminal justice system needs to be much tougher on crime. If more prisons need to be built, so be it. The judge who gave him 89 days after his second-offense stabbing should be publicly exposes and disciplined for incompetence.