Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe the 2.5 payout has ever been officially released or confirmed. Also I have been involved in cases where high amounts of money have changed hands even though the person was innocent. I am not saying that is the case here but a pay out is a not an admission of guilt. Also the statement he read in court as I understand it was written for him based on what she wanted to hear and was part of the settlement they worked out. It wasn't that he wrote those words. The only words we really have directly from Kobe are the police interview at the hotel when they went to speak to him after she filed a police report.

For those of you who believe he was just a violent rapist who forced himself on a woman who didn't want to have sex with him - why do you think he asked her if he could ejaculate on her face and why did he stop when she said no? (Both agree this happened). Seems very odd that someone who is violently raping someone would ask consent for an act and then stop when the person didn't consent. it goes completely against the whole act of intentional rape. If he intentionally was having non consensual sex - why ask her and why stop?

You are bringing far too much reason into this discussion. Go away!

You are referencing a very selective version of the facts. As well as, making a LOT Of assumptions. I also have been involved in "admission" statements and there are people who simply will not agree to them b/c they "didn't do it." He agreed. So, you can very easily also make the opposite assumption: he read it b/c there was truth to it.

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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.

I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.

Well, then poor Venessa. Yes. He is a rapist. This was not even Brock Turner - thwarted rape, outercourse kind of a scenario. This was rape that would have got him serious jail time if he had not settled.

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe the 2.5 payout has ever been officially released or confirmed. Also I have been involved in cases where high amounts of money have changed hands even though the person was innocent. I am not saying that is the case here but a pay out is a not an admission of guilt. Also the statement he read in court as I understand it was written for him based on what she wanted to hear and was part of the settlement they worked out. It wasn't that he wrote those words. The only words we really have directly from Kobe are the police interview at the hotel when they went to speak to him after she filed a police report.

For those of you who believe he was just a violent rapist who forced himself on a woman who didn't want to have sex with him - why do you think he asked her if he could ejaculate on her face and why did he stop when she said no? (Both agree this happened). Seems very odd that someone who is violently raping someone would ask consent for an act and then stop when the person didn't consent. it goes completely against the whole act of intentional rape. If he intentionally was having non consensual sex - why ask her and why stop?

You are bringing far too much reason into this discussion. Go away!

You are referencing a very selective version of the facts. As well as, making a LOT Of assumptions. I also have been involved in "admission" statements and there are people who simply will not agree to them b/c they "didn't do it." He agreed. So, you can very easily also make the opposite assumption: he read it b/c there was truth to it.

I didn't make any assumptions at all. Nor did I say there wasn't truth to it.
What assumptions were made?

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Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....I don't know. Too many know it alls running around these days.

Ohhh....read your post. Majority means most. Now you are saying that most professional athletes who Are married and fathers cheat. So what Kobe did was in keeping with the culture and women are just sex objects to be used and abused? God has a sense of humor in giving him daughters then.

So he was a vile human being and he wAs having violent sex with a groupie and raped her. So everyone deserved what they got, thanks to what the good Lord wants for them? Ok. Then ... Amen.

You need to go have a seat in the timeout and chill out a bit. You are doing the typical thing where you act like women have no agency in their sexual behaviors. Women are attracted to popular, rich athletes. Shock!

So what? Presumably he knew that. THat means he has license to rape them?

And I find the victim-blaming to be disgusting. SHe was a whore, money grabber, etc. Well, he was a whore too. He was not only sleeping around. He was violating his marriage vows while doing it. So, you can stuff your judgment about the victim - who had multiple vaginal lacerations consistent with a trauma. She declined to cooperate after being bullied, harassed, threatened. And you know how a trial would go . . . just as Anna Sciorra. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/harvey-weinsteins-defense-strategy-is-wretched/2020/01/24/ab8fd64e-3e20-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html She knew what lay ahead of her and i don't blame her one bit for bailing. The comments on this thread are only further evidence of how she would have been treated, while letting him off the hook.

Where did I call her a whore? I said women have agency and you immediately jumped to whore? Reach much? You discredit yourself. If she wants to sleep with "big", hot, rich athletes and brag about it to her friends at a party, so be it. Also, take your puritan code somewhere else. Athletes sleep around. Get over it.

For the rest you are just jumping into shoulda, coulda, woulda and making bold declarations on the basis of that. It doesn't work like that. At best, you can say I DON'T KNOW. Stop reaching and filling in facts when you have no idea what happened.

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Instead of buying the rape rock for Venessa, he should have given more money to the victim and asked her to release a statement about miscommunication about consent. That would have been a better spend of money. Anyways, this life had ended and finished. I hope everything else is non-controversial for the family and they find peace.

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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.

I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.

Well, then poor Venessa. Yes. He is a rapist. This was not even Brock Turner - thwarted rape, outercourse kind of a scenario. This was rape that would have got him serious jail time if he had not settled.

No. He is not a rapist. See? We can both make definitive statements on items about which we have no idea. The nerve.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....I don't know. Too many know it alls running around these days.

Ohhh....read your post. Majority means most. Now you are saying that most professional athletes who Are married and fathers cheat. So what Kobe did was in keeping with the culture and women are just sex objects to be used and abused? God has a sense of humor in giving him daughters then.

So he was a vile human being and he wAs having violent sex with a groupie and raped her. So everyone deserved what they got, thanks to what the good Lord wants for them? Ok. Then ... Amen.

You need to go have a seat in the timeout and chill out a bit. You are doing the typical thing where you act like women have no agency in their sexual behaviors. Women are attracted to popular, rich athletes. Shock!

So what? Presumably he knew that. THat means he has license to rape them?

And I find the victim-blaming to be disgusting. SHe was a whore, money grabber, etc. Well, he was a whore too. He was not only sleeping around. He was violating his marriage vows while doing it. So, you can stuff your judgment about the victim - who had multiple vaginal lacerations consistent with a trauma. She declined to cooperate after being bullied, harassed, threatened. And you know how a trial would go . . . just as Anna Sciorra. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/harvey-weinsteins-defense-strategy-is-wretched/2020/01/24/ab8fd64e-3e20-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html She knew what lay ahead of her and i don't blame her one bit for bailing. The comments on this thread are only further evidence of how she would have been treated, while letting him off the hook.

Where did I call her a whore? I said women have agency and you immediately jumped to whore? Reach much? You discredit yourself. If she wants to sleep with "big", hot, rich athletes and brag about it to her friends at a party, so be it. Also, take your puritan code somewhere else. Athletes sleep around. Get over it.

For the rest you are just jumping into shoulda, coulda, woulda and making bold declarations on the basis of that. It doesn't work like that. At best, you can say I DON'T KNOW. Stop reaching and filling in facts when you have no idea what happened.

Well, regardless of your shocking rape apologist viewpoint, the fact is that the rape is a part of his legacy. Something his surviving kids will know for the rest of their lives. If they want fidelity in their own marriage then they should stay away from marrying an athlete, because ...look at daddy!!
They should maybe marry rappers. I don't hear that Common has raped women.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.

I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.

Well, then poor Venessa. Yes. He is a rapist. This was not even Brock Turner - thwarted rape, outercourse kind of a scenario. This was rape that would have got him serious jail time if he had not settled.

No. He is not a rapist. See? We can both make definitive statements on items about which we have no idea. The nerve.

He is like Trump. You can't change the view point of the apologists of the pu$$ygrabber. Even though Trump is the most bestest stable genius president that he have had.

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And the apologist is seriously misstating facts.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....I don't know. Too many know it alls running around these days.

Ohhh....read your post. Majority means most. Now you are saying that most professional athletes who Are married and fathers cheat. So what Kobe did was in keeping with the culture and women are just sex objects to be used and abused? God has a sense of humor in giving him daughters then.

So he was a vile human being and he wAs having violent sex with a groupie and raped her. So everyone deserved what they got, thanks to what the good Lord wants for them? Ok. Then ... Amen.

You need to go have a seat in the timeout and chill out a bit. You are doing the typical thing where you act like women have no agency in their sexual behaviors. Women are attracted to popular, rich athletes. Shock!

So what? Presumably he knew that. THat means he has license to rape them?

And I find the victim-blaming to be disgusting. SHe was a whore, money grabber, etc. Well, he was a whore too. He was not only sleeping around. He was violating his marriage vows while doing it. So, you can stuff your judgment about the victim - who had multiple vaginal lacerations consistent with a trauma. She declined to cooperate after being bullied, harassed, threatened. And you know how a trial would go . . . just as Anna Sciorra. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/harvey-weinsteins-defense-strategy-is-wretched/2020/01/24/ab8fd64e-3e20-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html She knew what lay ahead of her and i don't blame her one bit for bailing. The comments on this thread are only further evidence of how she would have been treated, while letting him off the hook.

Where did I call her a whore? I said women have agency and you immediately jumped to whore? Reach much? You discredit yourself. If she wants to sleep with "big", hot, rich athletes and brag about it to her friends at a party, so be it. Also, take your puritan code somewhere else. Athletes sleep around. Get over it.

For the rest you are just jumping into shoulda, coulda, woulda and making bold declarations on the basis of that. It doesn't work like that. At best, you can say I DON'T KNOW. Stop reaching and filling in facts when you have no idea what happened.

Well, regardless of your shocking rape apologist viewpoint, the fact is that the rape is a part of his legacy. Something his surviving kids will know for the rest of their lives. If they want fidelity in their own marriage then they should stay away from marrying an athlete, because ...look at daddy!!
They should maybe marry rappers. I don't hear that Common has raped women.

Grow up. All you are doing is making conclusory statements because you can't defend your blather. You can't shame people into agreeing with your deluded viewpoint.

You are all over the place. I can't tell if you're serious about rappers, but you sound clueless. Many rappers have been accused as well (some claims more legitimate than others). I would send you a list, but you're hopelessly biased.

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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.

I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.

Well, then poor Venessa. Yes. He is a rapist. This was not even Brock Turner - thwarted rape, outercourse kind of a scenario. This was rape that would have got him serious jail time if he had not settled.

No. He is not a rapist. See? We can both make definitive statements on items about which we have no idea. The nerve.

He is like Trump. You can't change the view point of the apologists of the pu$$ygrabber. Even though Trump is the most bestest stable genius president that he have had.

Ok, DP. Your argument is invalid when you’re comparing Kobe’s ONE situation to Donald Trump.

Kobe stopped when asked to stop, and then he apologized. And settled. But comparing him to trump means you don’t have a leg to stand on to argue with. Cmon.

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What I am hearing is that it was a consensual cheating with a 19 year old groupie and he then strangled her. Then he paid her 2.5 million and issued a half apology, because she was very injured. Stepper family man. Let's just concentrate on thinking of his professional achievements then. In his personal life - cheating, violent sex, degrading women, loads of kids and a wife who forgives...he sounds like Josh Duggar.

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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.

I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.

Well, then poor Venessa. Yes. He is a rapist. This was not even Brock Turner - thwarted rape, outercourse kind of a scenario. This was rape that would have got him serious jail time if he had not settled.

No. He is not a rapist. See? We can both make definitive statements on items about which we have no idea. The nerve.

He is like Trump. You can't change the view point of the apologists of the pu$$ygrabber. Even though Trump is the most bestest stable genius president that he have had.

What does Trump have to do with any of this? Show me the multiple accusations against Kobe like Trump? Plz. Go have a seat.

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Anonymous wrote:What I am hearing is that it was a consensual cheating with a 19 year old groupie and he then strangled her. Then he paid her 2.5 million and issued a half apology, because she was very injured. Stepper family man. Let's just concentrate on thinking of his professional achievements then. In his personal life - cheating, violent sex, degrading women, loads of kids and a wife who forgives...he sounds like Josh Duggar.

He sounds like Martin Luther King Jr. Go off though...

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.

She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.

Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.

Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?

I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.

Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.

https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956