Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

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Kobe’s accuser ‘bragged’ at party
Alleged victim in good mood days before charges filed, host says; another saw ‘visible evidence’ of attack


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EAGLE, Colo., July 22 — The 19-year-old woman who accused Kobe Bryant of sexually assaulting her attended a party just days before charges were filed against Bryant and appeared to be in a good mood and “bragging” about the incident, several teen-agers at the party told NBC News on Tuesday. Another friend told the Associated Press that the woman had “visible evidence” of the alleged attack a week later.

THE ALLEGED VICTIM was at a party three days before the charges were filed and appeared to be in a good mood, NBC News reported, citing five party attendees.

“She was bragging about it,” party host Steve Evancho told NBC News.

The victim described Bryant’s anatomy when asked about it at the party, the host said.

Another friend gave a different impression of the victim, saying she was still “shaken up” by what happened.

Luke Bray declined to be more specific out of respect for his friend and her family.

“There is visible evidence of what happened,” he said.

Eagle County sheriff’s spokeswoman Kim Andree declined comment on NBC’s report and Bray’s statement. Neither prosecutor Mark Hurlbert nor Bryant’s attorneys returned telephone messages seeking comment.

Hurlbert has said he believes he has enough physical and testimonial evidence to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt.

The 24-year-old Bryant was charged with one count of sexually assaulting the concierge at an exclusive mountain resort last month. He said the sex was consensual and that he only committed adultery.

The Los Angeles Lakers star is free on bond pending an Aug. 6 court hearing during which he will be formally advised of the charge against him.

An Eagle County district judge has sealed most do ents, including the arrest affidavit, details of the physical evidence and other information. The Denver Post, the Los Angeles Times, NBC and the Vail Daily have asked a district judge to release some of the material.

Bryant’s attorneys filed a 23-page brief objecting to the release of any do ents, the Times reported Tuesday. Bryant’s attorneys don’t want any negative information regarding him to be released to the media, fearing it would effect the trial, the Times reported.

Lawyers for the Vail Daily and the alleged victim filed written arguments Tuesday in the newspaper’s request for police reports it believes are related to the woman. Hurlbert may file his own brief, spokeswoman Krista Flannigan said.

The alleged victim is a college student who took a summer job at the Lodge & Spa at the Cordillera in nearby Edwards. Friends say she is an energetic former cheerleader known for her love of music. She once tried out for the television program, “American Idol.”

Bray, 21, said he saw the woman about a week after the alleged assault on June 30. “She was still shaken up. She was pretty much in denial,” he said. “She couldn’t believe it.”

He said the woman was also at his house Friday to watch news conferences where Hurlbert announced the charges and Bryant admitted adultery and apologized to his wife.

“She couldn’t believe that his wife was sitting there and apparently didn’t care about adultery,” Bray said.

Sara Dabner, 17, who sang in the Eagle County High School choir with the woman, asked: “Why would a woman put herself through all of this - having people call her names? I think she just wants to see justice done. She’s not trying to drag him through the dirt.”

The woman was named on Tuesday by a nationally syndicated talk-show host and on the Internet despite pleas for privacy from her family.

Rape counselors and mental health experts were outraged by the exposure of the young Colorado woman, saying that a victim of sexual assault would be further traumatized by public scrutiny.

“That’s like being raped again,” if her accusations against Bryant are true, said Dr. Patricia Saunders, director of Graham Windham Manhattan Medical Center in New York City. “It’s an intrusion. It’s an utter violation of her right to privacy. It’s a sadistic thing to do.”

News organizations, which typically have policies against naming sexual assault victims, have not identified the woman. But her name, address, telephone number and possibly her picture have surfaced on the Internet.

Meanwhile Tom Leykis, host of a radio talk-show based in Los Angeles and aimed mostly at young men, began using her name on the air and told Reuters that he has no plans to stop.

“We’re told that rape is violence, not sex, and if that’s true there’s no reason she should feel shame or embarrassment,” Leykis said, adding that he felt it unfair to name Bryant but not his accuser.

The talk-show host, who is heard on 60 stations across the country, also said he did not believe the woman’s claims. He said he believes the woman was seeking attention and money and that Bryant could be the “real victim” in the case.


The Associated Press and Reuters contributed to this report.
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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.


Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.


Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.


I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.


Well, then poor Venessa. Yes. He is a rapist. This was not even Brock Turner - thwarted rape, outercourse kind of a scenario. This was rape that would have got him serious jail time if he had not settled.


No. He is not a rapist. See? We can both make definitive statements on items about which we have no idea. The nerve.


He is like Trump. You can't change the view point of the apologists of the pu$$ygrabber. Even though Trump is the most bestest stable genius president that he have had.


Ok, DP. Your argument is invalid when you’re comparing Kobe’s ONE situation to Donald Trump.

Kobe stopped when asked to stop, and then he apologized. And settled. But comparing him to trump means you don’t have a leg to stand on to argue with. Cmon.


Trump, Clinton, Kobe, kavanugh, josh duggar. They all have something in common. Sexual assault.
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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.


Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.


Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.


I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.


Well, then poor Venessa. Yes. He is a rapist. This was not even Brock Turner - thwarted rape, outercourse kind of a scenario. This was rape that would have got him serious jail time if he had not settled.


No. He is not a rapist. See? We can both make definitive statements on items about which we have no idea. The nerve.


He is like Trump. You can't change the view point of the apologists of the pu$$ygrabber. Even though Trump is the most bestest stable genius president that he have had.


Ok, DP. Your argument is invalid when you’re comparing Kobe’s ONE situation to Donald Trump.

Kobe stopped when asked to stop, and then he apologized. And settled. But comparing him to trump means you don’t have a leg to stand on to argue with. Cmon.


Trump, Clinton, Kobe, kavanugh, josh duggar. They all have something in common. Sexual assault.


You left off the word allegations...

You are clearly biased beyond reason though. Not worth engaging with the likes of you.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.

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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.


Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.


Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.


I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.


Well, then poor Venessa. Yes. He is a rapist. This was not even Brock Turner - thwarted rape, outercourse kind of a scenario. This was rape that would have got him serious jail time if he had not settled.


No. He is not a rapist. See? We can both make definitive statements on items about which we have no idea. The nerve.


He is like Trump. You can't change the view point of the apologists of the pu$$ygrabber. Even though Trump is the most bestest stable genius president that he have had.


Ok, DP. Your argument is invalid when you’re comparing Kobe’s ONE situation to Donald Trump.

Kobe stopped when asked to stop, and then he apologized. And settled. But comparing him to trump means you don’t have a leg to stand on to argue with. Cmon.


Trump, Clinton, Kobe, kavanugh, josh duggar. They all have something in common. Sexual assault ACCUSATIONS.

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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.



Oh, so nooooow NBC is not reputable? Only when bashing Trump are they the gold standard!

You can't make it up.
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.



Oh, so nooooow NBC is not reputable? Only when bashing Trump are they the gold standard!

You can't make it up.


Of course it is. But the clipping you’ve posted twice now doesn’t appear to be real.
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Anonymous wrote:
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.



Oh, so nooooow NBC is not reputable? Only when bashing Trump are they the gold standard!

You can't make it up.


Of course it is. But the clipping you’ve posted twice now doesn’t appear to be real.


Also, Tariq, welcome to DCUM.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.



Oh, so nooooow NBC is not reputable? Only when bashing Trump are they the gold standard!

You can't make it up.


Of course it is. But the clipping you’ve posted twice now doesn’t appear to be real.


The full article has been posted above in this thread from a forum post contemporaneous with the timing of the article. The article itself has since been scrubbed.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.



Oh, so nooooow NBC is not reputable? Only when bashing Trump are they the gold standard!

You can't make it up.


Of course it is. But the clipping you’ve posted twice now doesn’t appear to be real.


Also, Tariq, welcome to DCUM.


Nice try. Just admit your bias.
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.



Oh, so nooooow NBC is not reputable? Only when bashing Trump are they the gold standard!

You can't make it up.


Of course it is. But the clipping you’ve posted twice now doesn’t appear to be real.


Also, Tariq, welcome to DCUM.


Nice try. Just admit your bias.


Okay, here goes: I’m biased toward the whole truth.
Anonymous
If the woman had not been so bloodied and injured, this would have been a case of he said/she said. Thankfully, her injuries were significant and horrific enough that he would have been convicted of rape and had to settle.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.



Oh, so nooooow NBC is not reputable? Only when bashing Trump are they the gold standard!

You can't make it up.


Of course it is. But the clipping you’ve posted twice now doesn’t appear to be real.


Also, Tariq, welcome to DCUM.


Nice try. Just admit your bias.


Okay, here goes: I’m biased toward the whole truth.


Great, then you should welcome the additional information and context that the was bragging to friends about the encounter and the size of his member.
Anonymous
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.


She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.


Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.


Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?


I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.


Funny that the links to this article have been conveniently scrubbed from the internet.


https://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=956

Funny, the NBC person “quoted” in the “article” doesn’t seem to actually exist.



Oh, so nooooow NBC is not reputable? Only when bashing Trump are they the gold standard!

You can't make it up.


Of course it is. But the clipping you’ve posted twice now doesn’t appear to be real.


Also, Tariq, welcome to DCUM.


Nice try. Just admit your bias.


Okay, here goes: I’m biased toward the whole truth.


Great, then you should welcome the additional information and context that the was bragging to friends about the encounter and the size of his member.


Except that the only place that appeared were some random message board and the (apparently fake) newspaper clip. Because you claim the rest was scrubbed. By whom?
Anonymous
Anonymous wrote:If the woman had not been so bloodied and injured, this would have been a case of he said/she said. Thankfully, her injuries were significant and horrific enough that he would have been convicted of rape and had to settle.



She was not bloodied and injured, that is misinformation. If you read the hearing transcript from the detective, it is very informative. He testifies based on his interview with the sexual assault nurse and the written examination report provided by the sexual assault nurse. For almost every single body part and genital part - it is is marked as no trauma observed. The report notes two areas of injury - one very small (1 cm x 2 cm bruise) on the jawline, and pinpoint microscopic tears on the posterior fourchette. The tears were not visible to the naked eye but were visible under microscope and with dye. There were also two 1 cm lacerations visible under microscope. There were no other injuries noted. There was minor redness noted in two regions (one external and one internal). There was no treatment or intervention recommended (no creams or any follow up). During the hearing the detective testifies that he did not read the written report closely as he does not have a good understanding of female genitalia and didn't understand what he was reading. He repeats this a few times as he doesn't know the names for the various parts of the genitals that he is being asked questions about. He says that during his interview with the sexual assault nurse she told him that the tears could be consistent with "penetrating genital trauma". Nowhere does it say it was caused by non consensual sex. The nurse is not called to testify as to her expertise with regard to knowledge of injuries with consensual vs non consensual sex or with regards to the timeline when these injuries might have occurred (the victim also had sex a day or two before the alleged assault). Since the nurse didn't testify, the detective was working from his interview and the written report - both of which he testified that he didn't understand much of the medical / physiological content.
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