Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....I don't know. Too many know it alls running around these days.

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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Feminism has nothing to do with the criminal justice system.

Each of us is more than the worst thing we’ve ever done. - Bryan Stevenson

And he was more than the worst thing he has done...but the worst thing he did?...man, that was a Whopper.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Redemption comes from acknowledging what he did was wrong and serving time for it. He paid hush money of 2.5 million. But his wife got the rape rock of 4 million. So there was that. Anyways, his mortal life is over and what the tarnish is, remains for perpetuity.

I don't know what the arrangement was with Kobe and Vanessa, but many sports wives know their husbands will be sleeping with other women. That is part of the basis of the bargain. They just don't want it to be sloppy and public, so as not to embarrass them.

Also, who died and made you the arbiter of defining societal redemption? You can do something wrong, without doing something criminal. Kobe probably learned a lot about the nuances of consent and a bunch of other things from this. That doesn't not mean he is a rapist.

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Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.

She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.

Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.

Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?

I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.

It was in NBC News at the time. It is from over 15 years ago, so not much still out there.

Sorry, but there is plenty of original reporting still out there. It just doesn’t support the victim-shaming.

We get it, you like your selective facts. You would fit right in with the modern media crowd...

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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Feminism has nothing to do with the criminal justice system.

Each of us is more than the worst thing we’ve ever done. - Bryan Stevenson

And he was more than the worst thing he has done...but the worst thing he did?...man, that was a Whopper.

This could range from being an adulterer who liked rough sex to being a rapist. You don't know. For all we know, Kobe could have done some other really crappy things as well that just aren't public. Again, you don't know.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....I don't know. Too many know it alls running around these days.

Ohhh....read your post. Majority means most. Now you are saying that most professional athletes who Are married and fathers cheat. So what Kobe did was in keeping with the culture and women are just sex objects to be used and abused? God has a sense of humor in giving him daughters then.

So he was a vile human being and he wAs having violent sex with a groupie and raped her. So everyone deserved what they got, thanks to what the good Lord wants for them? Ok. Then ... Amen.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Feminism has nothing to do with the criminal justice system.

Each of us is more than the worst thing we’ve ever done. - Bryan Stevenson

And he was more than the worst thing he has done...but the worst thing he did?...man, that was a Whopper.

This could range from being an adulterer who liked rough sex to being a rapist. You don't know. For all we know, Kobe could have done some other really crappy things as well that just aren't public. Again, you don't know.

Yes, he could have done worse things. Pimping, human trafficking...who knows? But never heard of worse things. Only heard of the rape that was settled out of the court.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.

She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.

Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.

Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?

I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.

Then you haven't looked. At all. It's been very much a part of the saga from the beginning. (I was home on maternity leave at the time - a time before Netflix, so I followed this story closely and definitely remember this from way back.) And also read it again since he died.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....I don't know. Too many know it alls running around these days.

Ohhh....read your post. Majority means most. Now you are saying that most professional athletes who Are married and fathers cheat. So what Kobe did was in keeping with the culture and women are just sex objects to be used and abused? God has a sense of humor in giving him daughters then.

So he was a vile human being and he wAs having violent sex with a groupie and raped her. So everyone deserved what they got, thanks to what the good Lord wants for them? Ok. Then ... Amen.

You need to go have a seat in the timeout and chill out a bit. You are doing the typical thing where you act like women have no agency in their sexual behaviors. Women are attracted to popular, rich athletes. Shock!

[Anonymous]

I don't believe the 2.5 payout has ever been officially released or confirmed. Also I have been involved in cases where high amounts of money have changed hands even though the person was innocent. I am not saying that is the case here but a pay out is a not an admission of guilt. Also the statement he read in court as I understand it was written for him based on what she wanted to hear and was part of the settlement they worked out. It wasn't that he wrote those words. The only words we really have directly from Kobe are the police interview at the hotel when they went to speak to him after she filed a police report.

For those of you who believe he was just a violent rapist who forced himself on a woman who didn't want to have sex with him - why do you think he asked her if he could ejaculate on her face and why did he stop when she said no? (Both agree this happened). Seems very odd that someone who is violently raping someone would ask consent for an act and then stop when the person didn't consent. it goes completely against the whole act of intentional rape. If he intentionally was having non consensual sex - why ask her and why stop?

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Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Feminism has nothing to do with the criminal justice system.

Each of us is more than the worst thing we’ve ever done. - Bryan Stevenson

And he was more than the worst thing he has done...but the worst thing he did?...man, that was a Whopper.

This could range from being an adulterer who liked rough sex to being a rapist. You don't know. For all we know, Kobe could have done some other really crappy things as well that just aren't public. Again, you don't know.

Yes, he could have done worse things. Pimping, human trafficking...who knows? But never heard of worse things. Only heard of the rape that was settled out of the court.

So it is your contention that settlement out of court automatically implies guilt for the accused? Interesting development....

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Anonymous wrote:I don't believe the 2.5 payout has ever been officially released or confirmed. Also I have been involved in cases where high amounts of money have changed hands even though the person was innocent. I am not saying that is the case here but a pay out is a not an admission of guilt. Also the statement he read in court as I understand it was written for him based on what she wanted to hear and was part of the settlement they worked out. It wasn't that he wrote those words. The only words we really have directly from Kobe are the police interview at the hotel when they went to speak to him after she filed a police report.

For those of you who believe he was just a violent rapist who forced himself on a woman who didn't want to have sex with him - why do you think he asked her if he could ejaculate on her face and why did he stop when she said no? (Both agree this happened). Seems very odd that someone who is violently raping someone would ask consent for an act and then stop when the person didn't consent. it goes completely against the whole act of intentional rape. If he intentionally was having non consensual sex - why ask her and why stop?

You are bringing far too much reason into this discussion. Go away!

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Anonymous wrote:Kobe built a park for underprivileged kids in Houston. It sounds heroic to me

If you had 600 million dollars, how many parks would you build?

There are a lot of people, with a lot of money, who do little to nothing for poor people.

which is why they still have a lot of money...


from what I heard it was cloudy and the pilot essentially flew into the side of the mountain, low clouds/fog

Yes, and both the LAPD and LA County Sheriff had all of their choppers grounded. The fog was really bad and it was folly to try and fly in it. Very similar to the JFK Jr. story, who was only trained to fly under VFR, but not IFR. However the poor visibility required IFR in the JFK Jr. case.

It's not similar because this pilot had more experience and could fly with instruments.

Well, I'm sure the police pilots had experience and instrument training too, yet they chose to ground their fleet that morning.

Not to be disrespectful - I also don't understand how this is compared to JFK. Yes they were using the same visual cue patterns to fly the helicopter/plane rather than instruments. But JFK Jr crashed into the ocean and honestly that seems more like a beginner's mistake than side-clipping a mountain in foggy terrain.

The mistake in BOTH cases was taking the trip at all, when many factors involved pointed to it being a bad idea. Both trips should have been cancelled/delayed.

+1. The post a few pages back who gave a detailed break down of all the small errors made along Kobe's trip amount to this. Pilot should have said you know what, it's too risky, you will have to drive to your BB game or we wait out the weather. At 9am on Sunday morning they could have driven or waited an hour or two. Gianna's game wasn't until noon. They wouldn't have had as much warm up time but so be it. People are just so bad at assessing risks. It's an awful tragedy that could have been prevented.

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Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

Show me where I said majority? Take your strawman somewhere else. You need to poke around more. This has happened to many, many athletes. Some of the women even set up cameras and try to doctor evidence to create a case. And these are just the ones that we hear about...

The rest of your post makes no sense. Most professional athletes who are married and fathers cheat. That's just how it is. I won't comment on the roughness of the sex they have with groupies because....I don't know. Too many know it alls running around these days.

Ohhh....read your post. Majority means most. Now you are saying that most professional athletes who Are married and fathers cheat. So what Kobe did was in keeping with the culture and women are just sex objects to be used and abused? God has a sense of humor in giving him daughters then.

So he was a vile human being and he wAs having violent sex with a groupie and raped her. So everyone deserved what they got, thanks to what the good Lord wants for them? Ok. Then ... Amen.

You need to go have a seat in the timeout and chill out a bit. You are doing the typical thing where you act like women have no agency in their sexual behaviors. Women are attracted to popular, rich athletes. Shock!

So what? Presumably he knew that. THat means he has license to rape them?

And I find the victim-blaming to be disgusting. SHe was a whore, money grabber, etc. Well, he was a whore too. He was not only sleeping around. He was violating his marriage vows while doing it. So, you can stuff your judgment about the victim - who had multiple vaginal lacerations consistent with a trauma. She declined to cooperate after being bullied, harassed, threatened. And you know how a trial would go . . . just as Anna Sciorra. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/harvey-weinsteins-defense-strategy-is-wretched/2020/01/24/ab8fd64e-3e20-11ea-baca-eb7ace0a3455_story.html She knew what lay ahead of her and i don't blame her one bit for bailing. The comments on this thread are only further evidence of how she would have been treated, while letting him off the hook.