How Harvard discriminates against Asian Americans in college admissions

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Hint: All Asians is not diversity.

no sh1t. No one said it was.

[Anonymous]

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Racial criteria in college admission is not affirmative action.

It amounts to the same thing. Just because you put lipstick on a pig, doesn't make the pig a beauty queen. Call it whatever you want.. it's still amounts to a quota, even if there is no concrete number.

If it behaves like a duck and quacks like one, then it is one.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Racial criteria in college admission is not affirmative action.

Racial criteria would be illegal without affirmative action. It rests on the foundation of affirmative action, remove that foundation and deciding anything based on race would be illegal. Get it? And affirmative action is for redressing past discrimination. So if the court ever rules that affirmative action is illegal or unconstitutional, racial criteria would disappear. DISAPPEAR. GET IT?

Don't know where you come up with this, but it's wrong. Racial criteria is essential for diversity which is lawful: see Fisher v. Univ. of Texas and Grutter v. Bolinger.

Have you read Fisher?

Fisher was decided on three criteria, one of which was strict scrutiny of affirmative action admissions processes (so without AA, racial criteria would be moot and illegal as it depends on it for survival),

Diversity alone cannot be a reason for racial balancing. If that were the case, we could argue that White protestants, LGBTQ, conservative students, etc etc would need proportional representation.

The court also said that there would be no judicial deference when determining whether the use of race in admissions processes is narrowly tailored. And Narrowly tailored means you don't give any Black or Hispanic the advantage of racial balancing or diversity. You have to tailor it very narrowly.

I hope Harvard loses big, but I am not holding out hope

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Racial criteria in college admission is not affirmative action.

Racial criteria would be illegal without affirmative action. It rests on the foundation of affirmative action, remove that foundation and deciding anything based on race would be illegal. Get it? And affirmative action is for redressing past discrimination. So if the court ever rules that affirmative action is illegal or unconstitutional, racial criteria would disappear. DISAPPEAR. GET IT?

Don't know where you come up with this, but it's wrong. Racial criteria is essential for diversity which is lawful: see Fisher v. Univ. of Texas and Grutter v. Bolinger.

Have you read Fisher?

Fisher was decided on three criteria, one of which was strict scrutiny of affirmative action admissions processes (so without AA, racial criteria would be moot and illegal as it depends on it for survival),

Diversity alone cannot be a reason for racial balancing. If that were the case, we could argue that White protestants, LGBTQ, conservative students, etc etc would need proportional representation.

The court also said that there would be no judicial deference when determining whether the use of race in admissions processes is narrowly tailored. And Narrowly tailored means you don't give any Black or Hispanic the advantage of racial balancing or diversity. You have to tailor it very narrowly.

I hope Harvard loses big, but I am not holding out hope

Kennedy is retiring. Harvard's screwed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:For everyone who always argue that asians have a harder time getting into top schools because all they have are high gpa's and test scores:

The group said its expert found that Asian-American applicants are "significantly stronger than all other racial groups in academic performance.They also perform very well in non-academic categories and have higher extracurricular scores than any other racial group." Their personal ratings were relatively low, especially among admissions officers who hadn't met them. Alumni interviewers who had met these prospective students gave them top personal ratings.

The memo filed with the court said Harvard's own internal investigation in 2013 concluded that its admissions system was biased against Asian Americans. But instead of addressing the problem, "Harvard killed the investigation and buried the reports."

This is why I don't think AA proponents can be so confident that Kennedy would side with them like he did under Fisher.

I think if this case makes it to SCOTUS, it will force a lot of changes (not saying AA will be dropped). I think it will be a catalyst to use SES based AA

Kennedy is solid on AA.

doesn't matter anymore.

[Anonymous]

There is a God!! Justice Kennedy to retire. Good bye Affirmative Action, Good bye quotas, Good bye diversity driven racial balancing. It is morning in America!!!

[Anonymous]

Supreme Court Justice Kennedy announces retirement. This can get interesting with the Court moving to the right.

[Anonymous]

Finally the end is near for racial discrimination against Asian Americans!!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Finally the end is near for racial discrimination against Asian Americans!!!!!

Adios racist college admission policies.

[Anonymous]

Harvard will have to go to plan B. Haha.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Finally the end is near for racial discrimination against Asian Americans!!!!!

Adios racist college admission policies.

MAGA!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Harvard will have to go to plan B. Haha.

Plan B is to fund their own AA. Hillsdale college takes not a single dime from the government. It can do what it wants without the govt oversight. Harvard should follow Hillsdale's footsteps by putting its huge endowment to good use.

[Anonymous]

Any student at Hillsdale is there on merit. Hillsdale students will defend each other's right to be there. Not so with Ivys. Ivy students call police on each other because some suspect their fellow students don't belong there.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/abcnews.go.com/amp/US/yale-responds-white-student-calls-police-napping-black/story%3fid=55060171

[Anonymous]

As John Roberts said: "the way to end discrimination on the basis of race is to end discrimination on the basis of race" When you affirmatively, preferentially discriminate on the basis of race you admit students who can't do the work and you impugn the integrity of the school and its degrees. There's no reason to force Harvard to admit anyone other than those students it judges will best contribute to the institution. The government can't do this by forcing Harvard to select certain individuals because of the hue of their skin - this is a ridiculous criteria for selecting students. How many of you would choose a black doctor over a white doctor if you knew that the medical school was forced to admit students who were far inferior on tests and grades but had the approved skin color? Get the idea. Now how many smart black students want to face a life of questioning if their credentials were earned or granted by affirmative discrimination by the state. Let Harvard do what it does best (and trust Harvard doctors of any color/hue!).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As John Roberts said: "the way to end discrimination on the basis of race is to end discrimination on the basis of race" When you affirmatively, preferentially discriminate on the basis of race you admit students who can't do the work and you impugn the integrity of the school and its degrees. There's no reason to force Harvard to admit anyone other than those students it judges will best contribute to the institution. The government can't do this by forcing Harvard to select certain individuals because of the hue of their skin - this is a ridiculous criteria for selecting students. How many of you would choose a black doctor over a white doctor if you knew that the medical school was forced to admit students who were far inferior on tests and grades but had the approved skin color? Get the idea. Now how many smart black students want to face a life of questioning if their credentials were earned or granted by affirmative discrimination by the state. Let Harvard do what it does best (and trust Harvard doctors of any color/hue!).

They do and so I only go to Asian or White doctors.