Pete Hedgseth for Secretary of Defense

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Godless libs? This is not a theocracy—yet. Americans are allowed to have different religions—or none at all. Whether or not he is a “devout Christian” has nothing to do with his qualifications for this job.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
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Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


PP here. You're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that I'm not buying that milirary higher ups don't engage in affairs. I don't approve of adultery. Ever.


No one has said that they don’t. We said they get passed over for leadership positions or lose them if people find out.

If you can’t control yourself and live by rules and commitments, why should people trust you and look up to you as a leader when their lives depend on your decisions?


I agree with all you said, except their being passed over or losing their leadership positions.


You personally disagree with the military on this? Or you don’t believe this happens? It’s ended two careers I know of personally. It’s called “conduct unbecoming.”

There are plenty of hard working people in the military. If your personal behavior is a liability, there are others ready and eager to step in your place. Everyone reports to someone and those people have enough to deal with without your personal drama causing more issues for therm.


Exactly this. But Hedgseth’s case is a lot more serious than mere cheating. The SA charge in Monterey Bay involved the police, payouts and an NDA. He would never pass top level security clearance in normal circumstances. Plus the army suspects him of being a white nationalist bc of his tattoos. That’s why he was removed from service in Washington


he can have any tattoos he wants. Got it? That's not important to me.

He's outside the Pentagon. That is important.

Where does Lloyd Austin come from? Raytheon.

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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


PP here. You're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that I'm not buying that milirary higher ups don't engage in affairs. I don't approve of adultery. Ever.


No one has said that they don’t. We said they get passed over for leadership positions or lose them if people find out.

If you can’t control yourself and live by rules and commitments, why should people trust you and look up to you as a leader when their lives depend on your decisions?


I agree with all you said, except their being passed over or losing their leadership positions.


You personally disagree with the military on this? Or you don’t believe this happens? It’s ended two careers I know of personally. It’s called “conduct unbecoming.”

There are plenty of hard working people in the military. If your personal behavior is a liability, there are others ready and eager to step in your place. Everyone reports to someone and those people have enough to deal with without your personal drama causing more issues for therm.


Exactly this. But Hedgseth’s case is a lot more serious than mere cheating. The SA charge in Monterey Bay involved the police, payouts and an NDA. He would never pass top level security clearance in normal circumstances. Plus the army suspects him of being a white nationalist bc of his tattoos. That’s why he was removed from service in Washington


he can have any tattoos he wants. Got it? That's not important to me.

He's outside the Pentagon. That is important.

Where does Lloyd Austin come from? Raytheon.


Excellent points.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


PP here. You're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that I'm not buying that milirary higher ups don't engage in affairs. I don't approve of adultery. Ever.


No one has said that they don’t. We said they get passed over for leadership positions or lose them if people find out.

If you can’t control yourself and live by rules and commitments, why should people trust you and look up to you as a leader when their lives depend on your decisions?


I agree with all you said, except their being passed over or losing their leadership positions.


You personally disagree with the military on this? Or you don’t believe this happens? It’s ended two careers I know of personally. It’s called “conduct unbecoming.”

There are plenty of hard working people in the military. If your personal behavior is a liability, there are others ready and eager to step in your place. Everyone reports to someone and those people have enough to deal with without your personal drama causing more issues for therm.


Exactly this. But Hedgseth’s case is a lot more serious than mere cheating. The SA charge in Monterey Bay involved the police, payouts and an NDA. He would never pass top level security clearance in normal circumstances. Plus the army suspects him of being a white nationalist bc of his tattoos. That’s why he was removed from service in Washington


he can have any tattoos he wants. Got it? That's not important to me.

He's outside the Pentagon. That is important.

Where does Lloyd Austin come from? Raytheon.


Excellent points.



Only if you like someone who will be clueless and inept. But that’s what Trump voters wanted- to burn it all down.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


PP here. You're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that I'm not buying that milirary higher ups don't engage in affairs. I don't approve of adultery. Ever.


No one has said that they don’t. We said they get passed over for leadership positions or lose them if people find out.

If you can’t control yourself and live by rules and commitments, why should people trust you and look up to you as a leader when their lives depend on your decisions?


I agree with all you said, except their being passed over or losing their leadership positions.


You personally disagree with the military on this? Or you don’t believe this happens? It’s ended two careers I know of personally. It’s called “conduct unbecoming.”

There are plenty of hard working people in the military. If your personal behavior is a liability, there are others ready and eager to step in your place. Everyone reports to someone and those people have enough to deal with without your personal drama causing more issues for therm.


Exactly this. But Hedgseth’s case is a lot more serious than mere cheating. The SA charge in Monterey Bay involved the police, payouts and an NDA. He would never pass top level security clearance in normal circumstances. Plus the army suspects him of being a white nationalist bc of his tattoos. That’s why he was removed from service in Washington


he can have any tattoos he wants. Got it? That's not important to me.

He's outside the Pentagon. That is important.

Where does Lloyd Austin come from? Raytheon.



Dude literally has a tattoo that commemorates the crusades. He's telling us who he is, kind of like his benefactor. But you do you.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


PP here. You're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that I'm not buying that milirary higher ups don't engage in affairs. I don't approve of adultery. Ever.


No one has said that they don’t. We said they get passed over for leadership positions or lose them if people find out.

If you can’t control yourself and live by rules and commitments, why should people trust you and look up to you as a leader when their lives depend on your decisions?


I agree with all you said, except their being passed over or losing their leadership positions.


You personally disagree with the military on this? Or you don’t believe this happens? It’s ended two careers I know of personally. It’s called “conduct unbecoming.”

There are plenty of hard working people in the military. If your personal behavior is a liability, there are others ready and eager to step in your place. Everyone reports to someone and those people have enough to deal with without your personal drama causing more issues for therm.


Exactly this. But Hedgseth’s case is a lot more serious than mere cheating. The SA charge in Monterey Bay involved the police, payouts and an NDA. He would never pass top level security clearance in normal circumstances. Plus the army suspects him of being a white nationalist bc of his tattoos. That’s why he was removed from service in Washington


he can have any tattoos he wants. Got it? That's not important to me.

He's outside the Pentagon. That is important.

Where does Lloyd Austin come from? Raytheon.


Excellent points.



Only if you like someone who will be clueless and inept. But that’s what Trump voters wanted- to burn it all down.


If that were only true, at least then it would be the plot for a good dystopian novel. But this is all about anger and hate - they care more about owning the libs than what a criminal insurrectionist might do to the republic.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


Have you met the incoming commander in chief?


Except, many good leaders aren't necessarily the best morally. The reverse is true. J. Carter wasn't a good president, but a heck of a good guy. We would lose half of all politicians.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


Have you met the incoming commander in chief?


Except, many good leaders aren't necessarily the best morally. The reverse is true. J. Carter wasn't a good president, but a heck of a good guy. We would lose half of all politicians.


What a bunch of a nonsense. It is important for a leader to be of good character.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


Have you met the incoming commander in chief?


Except, many good leaders aren't necessarily the best morally. The reverse is true. J. Carter wasn't a good president, but a heck of a good guy. We would lose half of all politicians.


What a bunch of a nonsense. It is important for a leader to be of good character.


It's not. Plus how are you going to prove this good character? What is the measure going to be of that? If they have a record through the courts then yes. The media a clear NO, lol.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
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Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


Have you met the incoming commander in chief?


Except, many good leaders aren't necessarily the best morally. The reverse is true. J. Carter wasn't a good president, but a heck of a good guy. We would lose half of all politicians.


What a bunch of a nonsense. It is important for a leader to be of good character.


It's not. Plus how are you going to prove this good character? What is the measure going to be of that? If they have a record through the courts then yes. The media a clear NO, lol.


Yes it is. People want to follow someone they respect, not fear.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


PP here. You're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that I'm not buying that milirary higher ups don't engage in affairs. I don't approve of adultery. Ever.


No one has said that they don’t. We said they get passed over for leadership positions or lose them if people find out.

If you can’t control yourself and live by rules and commitments, why should people trust you and look up to you as a leader when their lives depend on your decisions?


I agree with all you said, except their being passed over or losing their leadership positions.


You personally disagree with the military on this? Or you don’t believe this happens? It’s ended two careers I know of personally. It’s called “conduct unbecoming.”

There are plenty of hard working people in the military. If your personal behavior is a liability, there are others ready and eager to step in your place. Everyone reports to someone and those people have enough to deal with without your personal drama causing more issues for therm.


Exactly this. But Hedgseth’s case is a lot more serious than mere cheating. The SA charge in Monterey Bay involved the police, payouts and an NDA. He would never pass top level security clearance in normal circumstances. Plus the army suspects him of being a white nationalist bc of his tattoos. That’s why he was removed from service in Washington


he can have any tattoos he wants. Got it? That's not important to me.

He's outside the Pentagon. That is important.

Where does Lloyd Austin come from? Raytheon.



He actually can't have any tattoos he wants. And what's important to you couldn't be more irrelevant.

Anyway, Trump's the one who will sideline him and replace him with a new candidate (and he'll do that without understanding what's important to you or not).
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


Have you met the incoming commander in chief?


Except, many good leaders aren't necessarily the best morally. The reverse is true. J. Carter wasn't a good president, but a heck of a good guy. We would lose half of all politicians.


What a bunch of a nonsense. It is important for a leader to be of good character.


Seriously. Raise your standards, America.
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Anonymous wrote:Not that MAGA cares or anything, but because of their emphasis on family values, I think it’s interesting to note that he’s on his third wife, like Trump. The third wife was his affair partner while he was married to the second wife.


Yes, not that I care or anything.

Biden had three children, two of which turned out to be drug addicted.

Kamala's husband, Doug Emhoff, slaps women.


Get off the cross. We need the wood.


DP. Thank you. So sick of sanctimonious liberals who pretend to be pious and holier-than-thou, all while peddling their own complete sh!tshow - one that the nation has rejected soundly.


DP. Are you unfamiliar with the military? They actually have rules about all of this stuff - the Secretary of Defense should know about them and follow them, right?


The only time I’ve seen a service member punished for an affair under UCMJ was if the affair partner was another service member’s spouse (makes for some hard feelings at work!) or if the affair partner was also a service member and it was fraternization, or if the affair comprised their duty/mission/security.

A National Gaurd solider having an affair with a civilian is unlikely to be prosecuted, which is exactly why he wasn’t.


They don’t necessarily get punished under UCMJ, but they do get sidelined. And the stigma that comes with making bad decisions follows them professionally. It’s going to require some serious acting skills for the JCS to pretend to respect this guy.


Oh, please. Absolutely no doubt plenty of these people have their own skeletons.
DP


Yeah, there are likely more affair partners of senate members than there are of members themselves, if you totaled them up.


According to many DCUM posters, affairs and babies born to single mothers are no big deal.


For the millionth time, there are actually rules about this in the military. And consequences. I get that only 1% serve, but the fact that the military has different rules than the rest of the population is pretty elementary.


Spare me. Plenty of higher up military officers engage in affairs.


Maybe that's the excuse your father or husband told you, but it's not an excuse to have an affair.

I'm not morally against infidelity. I don't care who people sleep with, as long as I don't have to watch or clean up after, but being a serial cheater shows some really poor impulse control, and probably a lack of empathy for your wives and kids. Do you think it's easy for those children? What kind of man is so weak he'd do that to kids?

Whatever, you say? Men do that all the time?

Can't we find one who doesn't flunk the marshmallow test to be in charge of our military?


PP here. You're preaching to the choir. I'm just saying that I'm not buying that milirary higher ups don't engage in affairs. I don't approve of adultery. Ever.


No one has said that they don’t. We said they get passed over for leadership positions or lose them if people find out.

If you can’t control yourself and live by rules and commitments, why should people trust you and look up to you as a leader when their lives depend on your decisions?


I agree with all you said, except their being passed over or losing their leadership positions.


You personally disagree with the military on this? Or you don’t believe this happens? It’s ended two careers I know of personally. It’s called “conduct unbecoming.”

There are plenty of hard working people in the military. If your personal behavior is a liability, there are others ready and eager to step in your place. Everyone reports to someone and those people have enough to deal with without your personal drama causing more issues for therm.


Exactly this. But Hedgseth’s case is a lot more serious than mere cheating. The SA charge in Monterey Bay involved the police, payouts and an NDA. He would never pass top level security clearance in normal circumstances. Plus the army suspects him of being a white nationalist bc of his tattoos. That’s why he was removed from service in Washington


he can have any tattoos he wants. Got it? That's not important to me.

He's outside the Pentagon. That is important.

Where does Lloyd Austin come from? Raytheon.



I'm all for holding the Pentagon to account for its budget, but where do you think the equipment that makes our military competitive - that is, a force that other countries don't want to risk attacking - comes from? Like it or not, companies like Raytheon are part of that apparatus. Warfare is way beyond storming the beaches a la Normandy in 1944, no matter how much you wish it to be so. If you want to advocate for more rules regarding former high level military officers serving at companies like Raytheon, that's also worthy of discussion, but this whole idea that some low level/mid level National Guard guy is great because he'll "shake things up" is stupid.

I'm unclear how a Fox News talking head is a better affiliation?
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