My kid is in a class with a chair thrower

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

I agree. I posted this about another family (not ours). It’s sad for their kid. We are very pro public schools, but for our non-SN kids who appear to be above average (per the standardized testing) we are considering pulling them. I think people who can afford private are leaving in large numbers. There is mass dissatisfaction even in “good” districts.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

Since reading comprehension seems to escape you, many posters have shared that the private schools require placement through the school system and there aren’t enough seats for all the kids who need them. It’s not something that money alone can solve.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

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Anonymous wrote:Counties hide behind LRE to act like it’s the legal requirement for a certain child. In reality mainstream classes are just cheaper. Self-contained is way more expensive so they try to keep anyone they can mainstream. Even if the classroom teacher and the sped teacher and the parents agree the placement is not working, the county will fight it. I’ve seen it happen.

Private schools are failing because of this. Parents will not use them and vote to defund them. It is a death spiral.

You know what is also expensive? TJ. But the school board finds the money to help the advanced kids get even more advanced. They found the money for that. So the kids who are just normal are in the classroom with the disruptive kids and the majority go downhill because they don't have the same advocacy power.

What mainstreaming does is turn regular classrooms into special education classrooms, but it is the wrong fit for everyone.

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Schools need SPED rooms, but the SPED parents fight it.

Do you know many SPED parents? I have a SN child (non-violent) and have gotten to know a number of parents over the years with kids with issues like absconding from the classroom, violent outbursts, meltdowns, etc. and know multiple families who have fought for special placements for their kids. It’s a battle. It’s frustrating and heartbreaking.

I know 2 families who finally after YEARS got their kids placed in a private school like a PP mentioned. And 2 others who ended up leaving public and footing the bill for a private school on their own (which they’ve admitted they are lucky they can do). But not every family can afford this.

The only parents I know who don’t want special SPED rooms are those whose kids can absolutely be in a mainstream classroom. We shouldn’t be sending kids out of the regular classroom because of minor issues like stimming or difficulty paying attention. Also, SN are so varied that just dumping all the kids with and IEP in a class together makes no sense. One of my kids has speech issues … would you relegate him to a SPED classroom?

Why is there such resistance to pay for private school on their own? Why is the school on the hook for it? Plenty of people choose private schools over public and there's no expectation that someone else foot the bill. Kids only get one shot at school why waste time dithering if you can afford it but are too cheap to pay for the best school your child needs? It's messed up.

You obviously have no idea how much SPED-focused schools cost, and likely grew up in relative wealth. The vast majority of people could never dream of paying for these schools.

Isn’t is crazy that people having kids couldn’t even afford to pay for their school unless it is free.

No! It's not crazy! It's how our society has been set up for over 100 years!

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Free public schools doesn’t work for many kids, and parents shouldn’t rely on it.

But the law says otherwise. Every single kid, including chair throwers, are entitled to a free and appropriate public education.

No. Every child isn’t entitled to a free and appropriate public education. Only kids in special education. That phrase in its entirety is a free and appropriate education for students with disabilities. Students NOT in special education have no such right.

I am a school psychologist so I realize how complicated the situation can be when you have a classroom with one or more students who have frequent outbursts. When my youngest was in a classroom with a student who had violent outbursts that included hitting, cussing, and biting his teachers and aide, as well as a runner, and a kid who cried and would go under the table I realized nothing was going to be resolved that school for that class. His cohort had really disruptive students in it while his older brother’s year didn’t. That’s how it goes in schools. You can ask teachers that some years they kids in a grade are just a joy to teach and the next year the kids are just really difficult.

So after 4 weeks I pulled him out and sent him to our local Catholic school even though we aren’t religious. His cohort there was fantastic. There are students who develop significant anxiety after being in a class for a year witnessing all the violence and commotion. Rightly so they don’t feel school is a safe and supportive place.,

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Not wanting my child in a class with a violent student =/= wanting SN kids to go away.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Not wanting my child in a class with a violent student =/= wanting SN kids to go away.

Blaming the parents, saying people who can’t afford 80k/year private schooling, arguing that public schools shouldn’t even exist, etc. sends a pretty clear message that you just want these kids gone and you don’t care where they go.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Not wanting my child in a class with a violent student =/= wanting SN kids to go away.

Blaming the parents, saying people who can’t afford 80k/year private schooling, arguing that public schools shouldn’t even exist, etc. sends a pretty clear message that you just want these kids gone and you don’t care where they go.

So, you are okay with violent children endangering others? In fact, you appear to be advocating for it. You think that other parents should just happily allow it because you won't take responsibility for your child's actions?

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

No, people who can afford the tens of thousands of dollars for a lawyer can sue. That’s still a small percentage of the population. And there’s no guarantee that you win. Many people who might be able to afford it choose to spend that money on private services.

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Anonymous wrote:Ask to be changed to another class. IF your kid get's hurt, file a police report for assault.

CORRECT. This is win-win-win-win:

1. The parents realize that they really need to get their kid into a more supportive environment (perhaps with private assessments if they can afford it, otherwise the school will do a barebones one).
2. The school can finally have some hard evidence to justify initiating a transfer to a private special needs school (paid by the school system), or stay in the same building but have a lot more wraparound services.
3. The child finally gets the help they need.
4. The other children, including OP's child, finally feel safer.

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Anonymous wrote:Counties hide behind LRE to act like it’s the legal requirement for a certain child. In reality mainstream classes are just cheaper. Self-contained is way more expensive so they try to keep anyone they can mainstream. Even if the classroom teacher and the sped teacher and the parents agree the placement is not working, the county will fight it. I’ve seen it happen.

Private schools are failing because of this. Parents will not use them and vote to defund them. It is a death spiral.

You know what is also expensive? TJ. But the school board finds the money to help the advanced kids get even more advanced. They found the money for that. So the kids who are just normal are in the classroom with the disruptive kids and the majority go downhill because they don't have the same advocacy power.

What mainstreaming does is turn regular classrooms into special education classrooms, but it is the wrong fit for everyone.

+1

Schools need SPED rooms, but the SPED parents fight it.

Do you know many SPED parents? I have a SN child (non-violent) and have gotten to know a number of parents over the years with kids with issues like absconding from the classroom, violent outbursts, meltdowns, etc. and know multiple families who have fought for special placements for their kids. It’s a battle. It’s frustrating and heartbreaking.

I know 2 families who finally after YEARS got their kids placed in a private school like a PP mentioned. And 2 others who ended up leaving public and footing the bill for a private school on their own (which they’ve admitted they are lucky they can do). But not every family can afford this.

The only parents I know who don’t want special SPED rooms are those whose kids can absolutely be in a mainstream classroom. We shouldn’t be sending kids out of the regular classroom because of minor issues like stimming or difficulty paying attention. Also, SN are so varied that just dumping all the kids with and IEP in a class together makes no sense. One of my kids has speech issues … would you relegate him to a SPED classroom?

Why is there such resistance to pay for private school on their own? Why is the school on the hook for it? Plenty of people choose private schools over public and there's no expectation that someone else foot the bill. Kids only get one shot at school why waste time dithering if you can afford it but are too cheap to pay for the best school your child needs? It's messed up.

You obviously have no idea how much SPED-focused schools cost, and likely grew up in relative wealth. The vast majority of people could never dream of paying for these schools.

Isn’t is crazy that people having kids couldn’t even afford to pay for their school unless it is free.

No! It's not crazy! It's how our society has been set up for over 100 years!

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Free public schools doesn’t work for many kids, and parents shouldn’t rely on it.

But the law says otherwise. Every single kid, including chair throwers, are entitled to a free and appropriate public education.

Realistically in-person public schools can be awful and this thread of proof of how they often don’t work for even average kids. So your options are virtual, home school, or private.

Exactly. My kid with ADHD isn't going to be well served in a public school when kids with more significant needs are going to suck the oxygen out of the room. I don't care if it's free if it's garbage.

This! My regular dd basically doesn’t get taught at all because the other kids need so much more. Is the goal just to get everyone to an average level? It should be that the goal is to educate each kid to the best of their abilities.

And what about the truly gifted? As a society they’re one of our greatest resources. We need more geniuses and inventors

A little hyperbolic. It’s hard to imagine your child hasn’t been taught anything and is still at a kindergarten level. Despite the difficulties faced by schools, they are doing a fantastic job with educating kids and getting them to the point where they get into colleges or become productive working members of society. I’m not dismissive of the problem or the broken special education system. But the sky is not falling either.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

Since reading comprehension seems to escape you, many posters have shared that the private schools require placement through the school system and there aren’t enough seats for all the kids who need them. It’s not something that money alone can solve.

Oh dear. You made an a$$umption. I have a special needs kid and sent them to private to avoid messing around with subpar inadequate services. Not everyone has a worst case scenario.

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Anonymous wrote:People can just sue the county and then get the county to pay for their private school for their kid who isn’t doing well being mainstreamed. This is happening — even for people who can afford the private on their own. The system is so broken — for all kids!

What a hollow victory to spend years fighting the school system while a kid languishes in a broken system. You don't get a do over once those years are lost.

way to miss the point. people sue because they *cannot afford or even access* the SN school. save your ire for the schools that don’t provide the proper services and placements.

Oh I guess you missed this part: even for people who can afford the private on their own
Those people are fools.

It’s a tiny, tiny percentage that can afford it. And as you have been told repeatedly- some of these schools don’t even take private pay. Even if they do, you still have to apply, and they may mot take your kid. and in many places the SN schools don’t even exist.

I know all you want is for SN kids to go away, but the problem is public schools failing to follow the law.

Hilarious as my kid is one of those SN kids. But the public is a joke so we don't go there.