Will Ozempic and other drugs like it eliminate obesity?

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Approximately 10 percent of U.S. adults were classified as having obesity during the 1950s. Today it is over 41 percent. Do you think lifestyle choices such as big gulps, fast food, driving vs walking, desk jobs, and watching TV has anything to do with the increase? What has changed? Why was 90 percent of the population a healthy weight then?

You’re sooo close to the point. Telling people to eat less and move more does not fix any of the above. It also doesn’t help people be less fat. So we can either overhaul society and fix the current food and lifestyle environment (not likely) or encourage the use of tools like Ozempic etc to help people achieve and maintain a healthy weight in our current environment.

Why not do both?

We can’t fix the environment. I mean we could and it would be awesome but it’s not going to happen. By all means continue the diet and exercise messaging I guess but not everybody believes you anymore. We’ve been shouted at about diet and exercise for decades and we’re only getting fatter. That’s why the pharmaceuticals are the best option we have.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Why are half of people in our country obese now? It didn't used to be that way. Can one of our internet scientists answer that question?

Because they eat unhealthy food and don't exercise! And they keep gaining and gaining.

And yet, people who in the 80s ate the same amounts and moved the same amount weighed less. What’s up with that?

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Why are half of people in our country obese now? It didn't used to be that way. Can one of our internet scientists answer that question?

Because they eat unhealthy food and don't exercise! And they keep gaining and gaining.

And yet, people who in the 80s ate the same amounts and moved the same amount weighed less. What’s up with that?

Not sure that is true. You also made no mention as to what people are eating.

Why do YOU think they have gained weight?

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Approximately 10 percent of U.S. adults were classified as having obesity during the 1950s. Today it is over 41 percent. Do you think lifestyle choices such as big gulps, fast food, driving vs walking, desk jobs, and watching TV has anything to do with the increase? What has changed? Why was 90 percent of the population a healthy weight then?

You’re sooo close to the point. Telling people to eat less and move more does not fix any of the above. It also doesn’t help people be less fat. So we can either overhaul society and fix the current food and lifestyle environment (not likely) or encourage the use of tools like Ozempic etc to help people achieve and maintain a healthy weight in our current environment.

Telling people may not help, but making lifestyle changes does help.

These are comments from someone taking Ozempic:

“I just kept gaining weight. I couldn’t lose it no matter what I did. I could eat salads for months, still couldn’t lose it.” “It was a constant struggle.”

K, who is prediabetic, found out her health insurance does cover Ozempic.

She began treatment in August 2021 and has lost 50 pounds since — 40 of which she attributes to the drug. She injects herself once a week in her stomach and describes the medicine’s effect as making her feel fuller faster.

“My complete diet has changed. I used to be able to eat a whole pizza and be completely fine and get it down. Now, if I try to get down like two slices, I feel completely sick. It’s too much grease. Greasy food in general is really hard for me,”

It's great that science and medicine are advancing and these drugs are available AND we need to overhaul society by getting people to understand it's best to eat one slice of pizza along with other filling, but not high calorie foods instead of the entire pizza or other greasy food and understand that it takes time to see the changes. More people have successfully lost and maintained with lifestyle changes than these drugs that's why I don't get the posters who insist that suggesting different food choices and more movement is judging or shaming.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Approximately 10 percent of U.S. adults were classified as having obesity during the 1950s. Today it is over 41 percent. Do you think lifestyle choices such as big gulps, fast food, driving vs walking, desk jobs, and watching TV has anything to do with the increase? What has changed? Why was 90 percent of the population a healthy weight then?

You’re sooo close to the point. Telling people to eat less and move more does not fix any of the above. It also doesn’t help people be less fat. So we can either overhaul society and fix the current food and lifestyle environment (not likely) or encourage the use of tools like Ozempic etc to help people achieve and maintain a healthy weight in our current environment.

Telling people may not help, but making lifestyle changes does help.

These are comments from someone taking Ozempic:

“I just kept gaining weight. I couldn’t lose it no matter what I did. I could eat salads for months, still couldn’t lose it.” “It was a constant struggle.”

K, who is prediabetic, found out her health insurance does cover Ozempic.

She began treatment in August 2021 and has lost 50 pounds since — 40 of which she attributes to the drug. She injects herself once a week in her stomach and describes the medicine’s effect as making her feel fuller faster.

“My complete diet has changed. I used to be able to eat a whole pizza and be completely fine and get it down. Now, if I try to get down like two slices, I feel completely sick. It’s too much grease. Greasy food in general is really hard for me,”

It's great that science and medicine are advancing and these drugs are available AND we need to overhaul society by getting people to understand it's best to eat one slice of pizza along with other filling, but not high calorie foods instead of the entire pizza or other greasy food and understand that it takes time to see the changes. More people have successfully lost and maintained with lifestyle changes than these drugs that's why I don't get the posters who insist that suggesting different food choices and more movement is judging or shaming.

People understand. Everyone knows. Everyone has been told. For years. Do you think fat people are just stupid? Everyone knows they should eat one or two pieces of pizza and a green salad and not 4 pieces of pizza. Sure, keep telling them. We just know at this point that it doesn’t work to make people thinner on a population level.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Approximately 10 percent of U.S. adults were classified as having obesity during the 1950s. Today it is over 41 percent. Do you think lifestyle choices such as big gulps, fast food, driving vs walking, desk jobs, and watching TV has anything to do with the increase? What has changed? Why was 90 percent of the population a healthy weight then?

You’re sooo close to the point. Telling people to eat less and move more does not fix any of the above. It also doesn’t help people be less fat. So we can either overhaul society and fix the current food and lifestyle environment (not likely) or encourage the use of tools like Ozempic etc to help people achieve and maintain a healthy weight in our current environment.

Telling people may not help, but making lifestyle changes does help.

These are comments from someone taking Ozempic:

“I just kept gaining weight. I couldn’t lose it no matter what I did. I could eat salads for months, still couldn’t lose it.” “It was a constant struggle.”

K, who is prediabetic, found out her health insurance does cover Ozempic.

She began treatment in August 2021 and has lost 50 pounds since — 40 of which she attributes to the drug. She injects herself once a week in her stomach and describes the medicine’s effect as making her feel fuller faster.

“My complete diet has changed. I used to be able to eat a whole pizza and be completely fine and get it down. Now, if I try to get down like two slices, I feel completely sick. It’s too much grease. Greasy food in general is really hard for me,”

It's great that science and medicine are advancing and these drugs are available AND we need to overhaul society by getting people to understand it's best to eat one slice of pizza along with other filling, but not high calorie foods instead of the entire pizza or other greasy food and understand that it takes time to see the changes. More people have successfully lost and maintained with lifestyle changes than these drugs that's why I don't get the posters who insist that suggesting different food choices and more movement is judging or shaming.

Omg, how are you not getting this? You understand that without the Ozempic, two slices wouldn’t fill her up right? She was still really hungry after just two pieces. She knew it was best not to eat a whole pizza before, she isn’t a moron, but she was hungry and it’s not sustainable for most people to be hungry day in and day out long term. Her body wanted the calories it needed to support her weight, whatever it was, and her hunger reflected that. She couldn’t implement the lifestyle changes without the drug.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

Wow, this is groundbreaking. Have you published?? If not you have missed your calling. You should consider submitting an article to the American Journal of Public Health. I hope you at least sent your groundbreaking findings to the CDC, FDA, health and human services etc….they need to know about raw fruits and veggies.

Yes! This is the literature that is missing from PubMed. PP, thank you for educating us—no one had ever thought to eat less before you came along dropping knowledge.

So why don’t you then? Why can some people do it but not you?

Now that I know the secret, surely I will be skinny in no time. I can’t thank you enough.

Yeah but really. What is your answer? Why do you think it should be different for you?

I’m just a fat fat fatty fat fat who can’t stop eating for pleasure!

I hear that Ozempic takes away the craving. That’s why it works and will-power doesn’t. I think the drug is a miracle. Now there is no reason for most people to be obese. Every obese person should try it. No excuse to be fat anymore. That doesn’t stop some people unfortunately. They are smug, hedonistic, and gluttons.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

Wow, this is groundbreaking. Have you published?? If not you have missed your calling. You should consider submitting an article to the American Journal of Public Health. I hope you at least sent your groundbreaking findings to the CDC, FDA, health and human services etc….they need to know about raw fruits and veggies.

Yes! This is the literature that is missing from PubMed. PP, thank you for educating us—no one had ever thought to eat less before you came along dropping knowledge.

So why don’t you then? Why can some people do it but not you?

Now that I know the secret, surely I will be skinny in no time. I can’t thank you enough.

Yeah but really. What is your answer? Why do you think it should be different for you?

I’m just a fat fat fatty fat fat who can’t stop eating for pleasure!

I hear that Ozempic takes away the craving. That’s why it works and will-power doesn’t. I think the drug is a miracle. Now there is no reason for most people to be obese. Every obese person should try it. No excuse to be fat anymore. That doesn’t stop some people unfortunately. They are smug, hedonistic, and gluttons.

Lol so funny. While Ozempic is a game changer, fat people will continue to exist and go on enjoying their lives. I’m sorry it makes you so mad.

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Anonymous wrote:I think society should just accept that people can be fat and healthy.

Perhaps up to a certain point. But just watch a few episodes of 600 lb life... those people can barely move and no one can call them healthy. That's what happens eventually if you keep gaining weight.

DP. Have you seen Eugenia Cooney, Karen Carpenter, or other completely emaciated women ... those people can barely survive (Karen didn't) as their organs fail and no one can call them healthy. That's what happens eventually if you keep losing weight.

Corollary question: can you see why comparing everyone in a group to extremes is offensive and stupid?

Again, yes, it is also bad to be too skinny, just as it is to be too fat.

Why do you promote such an unhealthy lifestyle? Do you not understand what people who are destroying their lives and bodies through anorexia are doing?

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Pp and others who believe people need to just suck it up and eat healthy believe that obesity is a moral failing, not a medical problem. The rest of us are over here talking about this from a policy and health perspective and they are in another place.

I would say you are definitely on another planet, no doubt. Your argument about obesity being a "moral failing" is hogwash. Choosing to eat horrible food is simply a choice and has nothing to do with morality. Same thing goes for refusing to exercise. I guess some people would call it laziness, but calling it a moral failing is a huge stretch.

By acting like this is 100% about individual food choices and ignoring the innumerable other factors involved you are actually moralising and oversimplifying an extremely complex problem. You merely calling high calorie food “horrible,” is a moral characterization, then you turn around and call overweight people lazy. You are too busy feeling superior to understand the conversation in this thread.

Your post is a total disaster. You're obsessed with portraying yourself as a victim. Please tell us about the innumerable other factors that have turned our society into a bunch of butterballs.

Let’s look at some of the deliberate policy decisions that have led to an obesity epidemic in the US and contrast to our European counterparts who DON’T have these problems:

1. An emphasis on cars and far flung suburbs where the average person cannot conceivably walk anywhere they would want to go
2. Light regulations on the chemicals in our food air and water that cause endocrine disruption and may lead to conditions like PCOS which have a major impact on weight
3. The massive subsidisation of corn, which leads to unhealthy corn based foods being far cheaper than actual produce
4. A highly dysfunctional healthcare system where people do not seek medical care until they have a crisis level issue
5. A culture that emphasizes long working hours without time to rest, reflect, exercise, or prepare healthy foods, no mandatory paid leave

Also, I’m fit, healthy, and have empathy and an education that allows me to see what this is: a policy and healthcare issue, not a moral one.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Approximately 10 percent of U.S. adults were classified as having obesity during the 1950s. Today it is over 41 percent. Do you think lifestyle choices such as big gulps, fast food, driving vs walking, desk jobs, and watching TV has anything to do with the increase? What has changed? Why was 90 percent of the population a healthy weight then?

You’re sooo close to the point. Telling people to eat less and move more does not fix any of the above. It also doesn’t help people be less fat. So we can either overhaul society and fix the current food and lifestyle environment (not likely) or encourage the use of tools like Ozempic etc to help people achieve and maintain a healthy weight in our current environment.

Telling people may not help, but making lifestyle changes does help.

These are comments from someone taking Ozempic:

“I just kept gaining weight. I couldn’t lose it no matter what I did. I could eat salads for months, still couldn’t lose it.” “It was a constant struggle.”

K, who is prediabetic, found out her health insurance does cover Ozempic.

She began treatment in August 2021 and has lost 50 pounds since — 40 of which she attributes to the drug. She injects herself once a week in her stomach and describes the medicine’s effect as making her feel fuller faster.

“My complete diet has changed. I used to be able to eat a whole pizza and be completely fine and get it down. Now, if I try to get down like two slices, I feel completely sick. It’s too much grease. Greasy food in general is really hard for me,”

It's great that science and medicine are advancing and these drugs are available AND we need to overhaul society by getting people to understand it's best to eat one slice of pizza along with other filling, but not high calorie foods instead of the entire pizza or other greasy food and understand that it takes time to see the changes. More people have successfully lost and maintained with lifestyle changes than these drugs that's why I don't get the posters who insist that suggesting different food choices and more movement is judging or shaming.

Omg, how are you not getting this? You understand that without the Ozempic, two slices wouldn’t fill her up right? She was still really hungry after just two pieces. She knew it was best not to eat a whole pizza before, she isn’t a moron, but she was hungry and it’s not sustainable for most people to be hungry day in and day out long term. Her body wanted the calories it needed to support her weight, whatever it was, and her hunger reflected that. She couldn’t implement the lifestyle changes without the drug.

DP. This is interesting. More and more we are witnessing disclosures about overweight people in fact eating more ("are more hungry"), than others. In the past, almost by default we'd hear in RL and most posts on this forum, that they don't really eat that much; it's was often explained by genetics or/and some undiagnosed condition.

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Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Approximately 10 percent of U.S. adults were classified as having obesity during the 1950s. Today it is over 41 percent. Do you think lifestyle choices such as big gulps, fast food, driving vs walking, desk jobs, and watching TV has anything to do with the increase? What has changed? Why was 90 percent of the population a healthy weight then?

You’re sooo close to the point. Telling people to eat less and move more does not fix any of the above. It also doesn’t help people be less fat. So we can either overhaul society and fix the current food and lifestyle environment (not likely) or encourage the use of tools like Ozempic etc to help people achieve and maintain a healthy weight in our current environment.

Telling people may not help, but making lifestyle changes does help.

These are comments from someone taking Ozempic:

“I just kept gaining weight. I couldn’t lose it no matter what I did. I could eat salads for months, still couldn’t lose it.” “It was a constant struggle.”

K, who is prediabetic, found out her health insurance does cover Ozempic.

She began treatment in August 2021 and has lost 50 pounds since — 40 of which she attributes to the drug. She injects herself once a week in her stomach and describes the medicine’s effect as making her feel fuller faster.

“My complete diet has changed. I used to be able to eat a whole pizza and be completely fine and get it down. Now, if I try to get down like two slices, I feel completely sick. It’s too much grease. Greasy food in general is really hard for me,”

It's great that science and medicine are advancing and these drugs are available AND we need to overhaul society by getting people to understand it's best to eat one slice of pizza along with other filling, but not high calorie foods instead of the entire pizza or other greasy food and understand that it takes time to see the changes. More people have successfully lost and maintained with lifestyle changes than these drugs that's why I don't get the posters who insist that suggesting different food choices and more movement is judging or shaming.

Citation or hard evidence for the bolded? Please show me hard evidence that more people have lost weight and kept it off using lifestyle changes than the drugs. Thank you.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymou[i wrote:s]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Why don’t you just eat less? More raw fruits and veggies. Pound a glass of water first and see if that fills you up.

I hate most unseasoned veggies so if I’m eating them, it’s because I’m actually hungry. A small amount fills me up.

You just have to get over the idea that food should bring you pleasure.

LOL

“You should just get over your biological wiring that has evolved over millions of years to seek out food that tastes good”

Honestly how can some people be so stupid?

Why the name calling? Why do you care that many of us on this thread are able to overcome whatever (wiring or laziness or whatever) and maintain a healthy weight? No one cares that you are obese and want to take a drug to lose weight. There are plenty of healthy, low calorie foods that taste good. When I was having a health issue I went to a provider who advised that I eat and move like my geat grandmother. That generation did not eat processed food or lead sedentary lifestyles. Once I made the changes the health issue disappeared. It wasn't easy and it cost more money and took longer than take out, but I didn't want to take the medicine.

Good luck to you.

I’m very glad you are able to maintain a happy weight without pharmaceutical or surgical intervention. Love that for you. Unfortunately, many many people aren’t. To say that it’s as simple as eating less and moving more is asinine. If it was so simple, nearly half of people in our country wouldn’t be obese.

Approximately 10 percent of U.S. adults were classified as having obesity during the 1950s. Today it is over 41 percent. Do you think lifestyle choices such as big gulps, fast food, driving vs walking, desk jobs, and watching TV has anything to do with the increase? What has changed? Why was 90 percent of the population a healthy weight then?

You’re sooo close to the point. Telling people to eat less and move more does not fix any of the above. It also doesn’t help people be less fat. So we can either overhaul society and fix the current food and lifestyle environment (not likely) or encourage the use of tools like Ozempic etc to help people achieve and maintain a healthy weight in our current environment.

Telling people may not help, but making lifestyle changes does help.

These are comments from someone taking Ozempic:

“I just kept gaining weight. I couldn’t lose it no matter what I did. I could eat salads for months, still couldn’t lose it.” “It was a constant struggle.”

K, who is prediabetic, found out her health insurance does cover Ozempic.

She began treatment in August 2021 and has lost 50 pounds since — 40 of which she attributes to the drug. She injects herself once a week in her stomach and describes the medicine’s effect as making her feel fuller faster.

“My complete diet has changed. I used to be able to eat a whole pizza and be completely fine and get it down. Now, if I try to get down like two slices, I feel completely sick. It’s too much grease. Greasy food in general is really hard for me,”

It's great that science and medicine are advancing and these drugs are available AND we need to overhaul society by getting people to understand it's best to eat one slice of pizza along with other filling, but not high calorie foods instead of the entire pizza or other greasy food and understand that it takes time to see the changes. More people have successfully lost and maintained with lifestyle changes than these drugs that's why I don't get the posters who insist that suggesting different food choices and more movement is judging or shaming.

Omg, how are you not getting this? You understand that without the Ozempic, two slices wouldn’t fill her up right? She was still really hungry after just two pieces. She knew it was best not to eat a whole pizza before, she isn’t a moron, but she was hungry and it’s not sustainable for most people to be hungry day in and day out long term. Her body wanted the calories it needed to support her weight, whatever it was, and her hunger reflected that. She couldn’t implement the lifestyle changes without the drug.

DP. This is interesting. More and more we are witnessing disclosures about overweight people in fact eating more ("are more hungry"), than others. In the past, almost by default we'd hear in RL and most posts on this forum, that they don't really eat that much; it's was often explained by genetics or/and some undiagnosed condition.

You hear what you want to hear. You don’t seem to understand the complexity of obesity so I would not expect you to understand the nuance of hunger either.