BA.5 Variant, the worst version of Omicron, is vaccine evasiive and surging across the country

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.

I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.

Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.

You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.

I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.

That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.

Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020

Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.

I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.

Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.

I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.

We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.

My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.

That was not a restriction. Schools were virtual and you choose to have your child go virtually. You could have sent them somewhere else . You don’t get what a restriction is.

There will be no lockdowns, mask mandates, school closures, or other “restrictions” put in place ever again, and you and everyone else are going to get covid multiple times in your life. Your angry impotent screeching into the internet void is powerless against this reality. Die mad about it I guess!

Those are not restrictions. Schools were not closed. They were virtual. We never had real lockdowns or restrictions. Sorry you struggled having your kids home. It’s too bad that things at home are that bad for you.

Republican troll or crazy who actually thinks this? So hard to tell sometimes.

I’m 99% sure this is not a troll, I have a lot of friends who trot out the “schools weren’t closed, they were ViRtUaL” line. I’m pretty sure they get it from one of the extreme Covid circlejerk sections on Reddit.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous how personally persecuted some of you are behaving.

But they had to wear a MASK!!! During a deadly pandemic!!

They suffered so.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.

I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.

Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.

You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.

I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.

That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.

Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020

Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.

I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.

Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.

I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.

We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.

My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.

This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.

Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.

I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.

This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.

I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.

PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.

NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":

1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.

2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.

3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.

4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.

5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.

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Anyone who feels like they were lied to, gaslit, mislead, etc don't understand what we were dealing with. You're such victims.

A brand new virus came along and you expected everyone to know how it would behave? Sorry, but that's ignorance or willful stupidity. Either way it makes you look silly.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.

I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.

Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.

You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.

I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.

That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.

Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020

Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.

I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.

Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.

I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.

We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.

My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.

This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.

Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.

I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.

This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.

I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.

PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.

NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":

1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.

2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.

3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.

4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.

5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.

This is the most rational COVID post I've seen. Thank you. I agree 100%. (I'd vote for the hospitalization rates, rather than transmission guidelines, mostly because transmission is basically impossible to accurately count now since most people are doing at home tests. And because it's not the most relevant metric.)

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous how personally persecuted some of you are behaving.

But they had to wear a MASK!!! During a deadly pandemic!!

They suffered so.

It was stupid because it was pointless.

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Anonymous wrote:It’s ridiculous how personally persecuted some of you are behaving.

But they had to wear a MASK!!! During a deadly pandemic!!

They suffered so.

It was stupid because it was pointless.

It is way more than masks. You must not have kids.

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.

I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.

Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.

You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.

I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.

That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.

Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020

Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.

I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.

Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.

I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.

We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.

My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.

This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.

Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.

I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.

This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.

I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.

PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.

NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":

1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.

2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.

3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.

4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.

5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.

Totally agree.

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Anonymous wrote:Anyone who feels like they were lied to, gaslit, mislead, etc don't understand what we were dealing with. You're such victims.

A brand new virus came along and you expected everyone to know how it would behave? Sorry, but that's ignorance or willful stupidity. Either way it makes you look silly.

The argument that nobody knew what to do is disingenuous. Other countries behaved differently and produced data. Other countries continue to behave differently and produce data. There was data from Scandinavia in the summer of 2020 on the impact of keeping schools open. There is data on vaccines, masking, ventilation, etc coming from other countries continuously. Americans have had guidance on various interventions from the beginning.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

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Wow great parenting. I’m sure you are a doctor of infectious diseases

Your stamens is callous at best

Selfish and horrible parenting great combo. You are the reason we are in this mess.

This was easy folks wear those masks. Tiny non invasive masks omg little Susan is losing her social connections. That’s absurd

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Anonymous wrote:Restaurants, shopping, and theater are not strictly necessary for "life". Get some perspective here. Across human history people have dealt with far more serious privations.

It also isn’t necessary to put any restrictions, quarantines, mass testing or mandates in place to prevent society from getting a cold or varying severity, but mostly mild. This isn’t Ebola. Hospitals, and nursing homes can keep it up. But at the very least, schools need to drop these things.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

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Wow great parenting. I’m sure you are a doctor of infectious diseases

Your stamens is callous at best

Selfish and horrible parenting great combo. You are the reason we are in this mess.

This was easy folks wear those masks. Tiny non invasive masks omg little Susan is losing her social connections. That’s absurd

Keep pissing into the wind, my friend. The majority disagree with you. Thankfully.

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Anonymous wrote:We are at a pivotal point in the pandemic as it become endemic. We are all going to get it and some us multiple times. We don’t know the long term effects of multiple infection. We do no that for many that isolation, distancing, mask wearing also comes at a societal cost. Just look at airlines, incidents plummeted once mask mandate lifted. Everyone can get vaccinated and others will always be moresusceptible and vulnerable. What kind of society and life do we want to live? I’m willing to take the risks of long COVID and unknown long term risk to live a normal life and give my kids a normal childhood. I’m sorry for those that are not able to take that risk. I mean that sincerely.

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Wow great parenting. I’m sure you are a doctor of infectious diseases

Your stamens is callous at best

Selfish and horrible parenting great combo. You are the reason we are in this mess.

This was easy folks wear those masks. Tiny non invasive masks omg little Susan is losing her social connections. That’s absurd

We wore them. For over 2 yrs. They are no longer necessary for everyday life/events

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.

I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.

Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.

You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.

I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.

That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.

Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020

Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.

I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.

Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.

I’ve had it too. Being sick isn’t fun, but I would rather be sick occasionally than go back to 2020 restrictions.

We never had real restrictions and I’d rather have precautions than go through this again. You can get it multiple times. Come school start it’s going to be a hot mess.

My kid really did kindergarten on an iPad, so don’t tell me there were no restrictions. Also we were warned school was going to be a disaster when they started 2 days a week in spring 2021 and then again for full time in fall of 2021 and then AGAIN after winter break in 2022 and yet again after spring break in 2022. You know what? It was fine. We will be fine.

This! And then there were things that were not strictly restricted but made incredibly difficult (to impossible) due to restrictions. Like childcare. The idea that we haven’t sacrificed for this thing because society never *technically* locked down is ridiculous.

Look, I accept that this isn’t just a cold. But it’s not smallpox or the Black Death either. It’s a novel virus that poses an elevated threat and has killed millions of people. But we also have to be realistic about what can be done. At this point, eradicating it through lock downs is off the table. Look at New Zealand. That’s an island nation that really seemed to have beaten this thing through travel restriction and lock down. Cases have skyrocketed there. You can’t lock down indefinitely, and it’s a very contagious virus. It will come for you eventually.

I think we have to accept that this is something we live with now. I just don’t see what the alternative is. People who complain constantly about how everyone just wants to “move on” aren’t explaining what the effective, realistic alternative is. You are not going to get lockdowns, 100% masking, or any other severe restrictions again. Not if it’s on an indefinite basis. And there’s no evidence that doing that for a couple weeks or a couple months will help, unless everyone on the planet participated, which they won’t.

This is life now. We have to find a way to live it.

I agree with much of what you say, but not all of it. "Moving on" should not be pretending that COVID does not exist. We don't need 100% masking or restrictions to live with COVID in a responsible way, which means testing when exposed or sick, staying home when positive or exhibiting symptoms, masking after exposures, when symptomatic, or when returning to activities after a positive test (up to 10 days). It also makes sense to be extra cautious with activities or tests after higher risk activities, like travel or crowded indoor activities (and maybe outdoor as well). We can't get rid of it, but can we treat COVID like the flu, when it is so much more transmissible? In truth, we are probably too lax about the flu as well, but I guarantee if there were hyperlocal outbreaks of the flu, like we have seen within some families, schools, etc., measures would be taken to control the spread.

PP here, and I should have also said that living with COVID should include some caution, we have to end impossible quarantine policies like those for younger children at daycares. While that might involve accepting more risk of transmission, these policies are extremely burdensome and probably lead to fewer people testing when appropriate for fear of lost wages and other harm caused by quarantine policies.

NP and I agree. Here is my wish list for dealing with covid at this point, in order of importance, which I recognize isn't gonna happen because it's too "socialist":

1) Paid. Sick. Leave. I get 13 days a year that carry over if i don't use them. This should be a legal minimum. This would help with so many problems on its own, although i agree that the restrictive childcare quarantined are too much even for this.

2) Huge infrastructure bill for upgrading ventilation and air filtration in tons of places, especially schools, hospitals, and other crowded places that provide public services.

3) Masking for adults and older kids indoors during periods of high transmission or hospital capacity concerns (I'd prefer the first but would compromise). The difference from now would be automatic "on" and "off" switches based on community levels, not the delayed reactions we have now when it's a new debate whether to start/end every time.

4) Or even asking everyone to mask when experiencing any symptoms or for 5 days post exposure would do a ton! Good masks and tests provided free to all, of course.

5) Serious research into long covid and monitoring and treating post viral effects in general. Funding for treatment clinics. Let's figure out what we're dealing with long term.

Just remember that childcare workers get covid too. So when they test positive and get sick and use all that paid. sick. leave., who's going to watch the kids if the kids aren't quarantining?

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Anonymous wrote:I just don’t care anymore. I did all the things they told me to do and still got Covid and it was a bunch of nothing. Sorry but nothing will get me to panic again.

I was one of those who stayed shut inside for 2020 and I now regret it because it was a bunch of fear and nothing more.

Not saying it’s not a bad disease, but I’m treating it like the flu and moving on with living. I took 3 shots, masked all 2020-2021, and I’m sick of being gaslit.

You were not gaslit. Unfortunately following the rules wasn’t enough. That’s why so many have fatigue over caring about precautions. Being good isn’t always enough to protect you. To be honest that’s true if pretty much anything. I hear you though. Realize not caring won’t matter to the virus if you cone across it anyway. Hopefully you’ll not get any version though.

I think you totally missed the point. The PP isn’t angry he got it, he is angry is went to great lengths for a year+ thinking he would be gravely sick, and it was a cold.

That’s pretty simplistic and a bit of retroactive rose colored glasses. It was not a simple cold two years ago.

Even so, it is now. We have vaccines to lessen severity and effective treatment. But STILL people are wanting everyone to cling to the guidelines, quarantines, restrictions, and mitigation efforts of 2020

Clearly you are not keeping up with current variants.

I don’t understand what data you are looking at that is telling you the current variants are causing severe disease in people with vaccine or naturally acquired immunity.

Because for me it’s not about severe illness it’s about catching it. We have it now. We did not report it so I can tell you numbers are not accurate. It is miserable. I don’t want this again. Guess it’s time to start digging out a basement to hide in.

Are you the one that's been exclusively at home but your kids got it from their sole outdoor activity? Hopefully you're spending more time complaining on here than to them....