“We hold that Roe and Casey must be overruled," Justice Alito writes in an initial majority draft

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Anonymous wrote:Here's what an America without Roe will look like.

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/12/05/upshot/abortion-without-roe-wade.html?fbclid=IwAR0y91eQGNT6PDe3p6m7HGvhcmH-CsfyTlgYg4pSoddiJJSlyQ6NsehlvZA

Here are the clinics that would close immediately due to trigger laws.

Very likely that trigger laws ban IVF in at least a dozen states this summer:

One of the legislative initiatives that has been undertaken by several states is a statute creating a trigger ban on abortion, wherein the Supreme Court striking down Roe would immediately result in an automatic complete abortion ban statewide.2 So far, twelve states3 have passed such trigger bans, and several other states are poised to follow and ban abortion entirely, should Roe be overturned.4 These trigger bans could have far-reaching, unintended (or perhaps completely intended) consequences not only for pregnant people, but also for those trying to prevent pregnancy through common methods such as birth control or the “morning after” pill.5 Additionally, the trigger bans may have significant impacts on those pursuing in vitro fertilization (IVF), as well as on the providers of such services.6

https://www.law.georgetown.edu/gender-journal/abortion-trigger-ban-statutes-impacts-on-plan-b-birth-control-and-ivf-treatments/

Good bye, IVF.

Wonder how white republicans women feel about this

If they support overturning Roe, they deserve to be barren.

Well they do and unfortunately they are not

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

Overturning Roe on a conservative/liberal split will do irreparable damage to SCOTUS. The facade of the impartial Justice was already waning, it's gone after this.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

The damage to the Supreme Court was done when McConnell refused to even hold hearings for a vacant spot when a Democrat was President and then rushed to confirm a candidate days before an election when a Republican was president. Any suggestion that the Court was anything but political was clearly moot at that point.

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a lawyer, so I want to make sure I understand the potential ramifications of this properly:

In addition to severely limiting/eliminating legal abortion in many states, this decision could set the precedent for overturning previous rulings that also used the right to privacy as their basis. That could include Loving (the right to interracial marriage), Griswald (right to purchase contraceptives without government restriction), Obergefell (right to same-sex marriage), etc. Since none of those rights are explicitly spelled out in the Constitution, under this ruling, they would be vulnerable.

Is that correct?

Alitos argument is worse. He’s claiming there must be long term history so we can undo any law till we get to only white, land owning men can vote.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

Does the SCOTUS have a constitutional right to privacy?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

Maybe not. It's likely being used to cause an outrage, which placates the masses when the SC allows abortion bans at 12 weeks (or whatever arbitrary number they settle upon). This leak is already influencing the narrative for when the real and final decision is released this summer - "See? It's not as bad as the leaker said it would be."

Meanwhile, the SC has already inured Americans to the erosion of their rights and the ending of stare decisis.

Super dangerous stuff and with massive ramifications for the country.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

+++ THIS, which is WHY we start a SEX Ban in WASHINGTON on Monday- Million woman March on SCOTUS STEPS starting Monday

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

And, this is why the leak is so dangerous.
Justices should never be pressured to decide a case based on what outside groups lobby them to do. Ever.
But, you are probably correct in that the INTENT of the leaker is to alter the decision of the court. Very dangerous.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

Overturning Roe on a conservative/liberal split will do irreparable damage to SCOTUS. The facade of the impartial Justice was already waning, it's gone after this.

The leaker will do very well for themselves, and I say that regardless of party affiliation. If the leaker was a FedSoc type trying to keep an errant Kavanaugh in line, they will be hailed as a hero for fighting to the last. If the leaker was a liberal, they’ll be hailed as a hero for taking one last stand to defend womens rights. Many progressive top law firms will have no trouble with it, and as a client of those firms I would have no problem hiring a litigator with that background.

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Conservatives run their little club like a crime syndicate rather than a political party.

If you're somehow alluding to how SCOTUS opinions are developed, revised, and voted upon, then you know nothing.

No, you know nothing. Republicans in this court are 100% part of the crime syndicate. Ginni probs had a round editing this opinion these f**ks are such scum

The first time on this thread that you blamed Ginni, I thought you were a bit nutty. Now I don’t necessarily agree with it, but I see your point.
(“You” and “your” being anyone who has promoted this idea, not you yourself)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Dems in conservative-run states should start introducing bills to make men who impregnate women responsible for ALL of their bills related to pregnancy, from doctor appointments to missed days of work to new maternity clothes. And then the hospital bills. And the postnatal bills. And of course all the money to raise the kid. But if life starts from conception then the man needs to be on the hook from the moment of conception, since without his sperm a woman wouldn't have those bills.

Lol dems playing by republicans rules….good luck with that!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

I totally disagree.
Those on the left will deem this person a hero, no doubt.
But it has done irreparable damage to SCOTUS and legal experts and those who are paying attention understand that.

I have no doubt the leaker will be identified.... maybe not publicly.... but he/she will be discovered. And, this person has destroyed his/her future in law.
However, this leaker may be able to get a gig on MSNBC.

Does the SCOTUS have a constitutional right to privacy?

Good question.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:ITA. The leaker needs to be identified and disbarred. Not sure any actual laws were broken, but this cannot go unpunished.

To most Americans, the leaker is irrelevant. Sorry. Lawyer here.

The leaker is a hero.

How does the leaker change anything?

If public response to the leak makes the GOP worry it will change the outcome of the mid-terms and potentially 2024, they/FedSoc will put tremendous pressure on the right wing justices to pare back the scope of the ruling and just uphold the Mississippi law without fully overturning Roe.

Roberts is already with the minority on this decision or it never would have been assigned to Alito. All we need is one more justice to get cold feet about going this far.

I think this has woken the people. The GOP is dead. I’ve said for years it’s a zombie party, alive only due to the goofer dust of cheating, right wing propanganda and dark money. This will find it beat into pulp.

I’m sorry but this is a delusional stance. I saw this sort of thing written after the 2020 elections too, and now the GOP is poised to take back the house and senate. This court will be at this balance for years to come, doing everything the GOP lawmakers told its voters it would. I think we will look back at Biden’s win as a brief pause from our descent as a country.

[Anonymous]

Women should start a nationwide ban on sex as a protest if this goes into effect.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I am not a lawyer, so I want to make sure I understand the potential ramifications of this properly:

In addition to severely limiting/eliminating legal abortion in many states, this decision could set the precedent for overturning previous rulings that also used the right to privacy as their basis. That could include Loving (the right to interracial marriage), Griswald (right to purchase contraceptives without government restriction), Obergefell (right to same-sex marriage), etc. Since none of those rights are explicitly spelled out in the Constitution, under this ruling, they would be vulnerable.

Is that correct?

That sounds correct to me. Isn't stare decisis kind of dead too? What would stop them from overturning the Civil Rights Act of 1964 or Voting Rights Act of 1965?

That depends on the basis for those decisions. My understanding is that anything that used right to privacy as its basis is up for grabs. Didn’t one or both of those use interstate commerce as its basis? I could be remembering that wrong. I seem to recall that one of the landmark civil rights rulings used a creative reading of interstate commerce.