Athletes have such an edge

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.

The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.

This is a silly tangent. The only people who stigmatize athletes as weak students are younger versions of people like OP who are jealous and bitter about athletes being more sought after by colleges. Most people are not like this, and the ones who are are disappointed to find that the majority of athletes do well academically in college. Hopefully this helps them learn the dangers of stereotyping, though I don’t hold out a lot of hope given how many full-grown athlete haters there are on this forum.

Not one poster expressed hatred for athletes.

I personally expressed DIFFERENT aspirations for my child.

That is all. Why is that opinion any less valid than yours?

People have called them dumb, jocks, don’t fit in… so yes since these are all negative judgements, it shows a “hate”.

And near-immedately, a nasty sports parent retorted with HARR HARR THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE NERDZ THINK OF THEM ANYWAY and another even dumber one "LOL"ed their post.

So you were saying?

I agree that is hateful. So you agree that there is hate for athletes. Also, can you link to a thread specifically create to hate on "geeks"? There is a "athletes suck" post every 2-3 months.

No one is hating on these kids. The issue is that these are institutions of higher education, not higher foot ball or higher hockey or higher volleyball. Nothing wrong with being a good athlete but why it makes sense to prioritize that talent over other gifts when giving out higher education spots is a legitimate discussion. Why does not other county in the world do this?

Oh come on. Some of the posts in this thread (and others on DCUM) been outright hateful. I am not remotely athletic and I can see that clearly.

There are some bitter, hateful posters on this thread who clearly have issues that go far beyond college admissions. And they live in a weird resentful fantasy world. This entire thread started with OPs angry imagination too (her story is obviously untrue), and has drawn in people similar to OP who spend their time in a fugue state centered around athletic admissions. The actual facts surrounding athletic admissions don't warrant the seething unstable focus of some of these posters.

lol. It is not really hard to understand why people would question the connection between higher learning and playing lax or hockey or whatever.
I have been through this. I had an admissions officer tell my kid to switch majors to better accommodate the sport. WTF? Obviously an immediate no to that school but some players actually did that.

It is not an obvious connection to make and the fact that you are so aggressively defensive of this weird system is suspect. Maybe you make your living in the billion dollar youth sports industry.

The multi billion youth sports industry. It is out of hand.

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You want successful graduates who will remain engaged with the university. Maybe their numbers tell them that the kid attending because they are the 4th ranked school and the kid didn't get into the 1st-3rd ranked schools will just graduate and move on.

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The nerds are still at this 39 pages later?

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Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?

But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.

It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.

Then you don't understand EDUCATION.

I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.

And you get that, as med and law schools don't look at sports for admission.

They do consider it in an applicant though. If you ace the LSAT, and had top grades, plus played a varsity sport in college, and maybe also were the captain, that added time commitment and leadership on top of academic success does stand out to a law school as law requires excellent time management and leadership.

Thanks anyway but I want one that honed their time management skills with academic work and internships , not time on the field or in the pool or whatever.

That’s great the world need worker bees too.

Aww, you're cute. In the real world, our kids will employ your jocks.

Historically incorrect. That is why colleges literally fly people around the US looking for athletes.

Sadly, the PP is right. I'm admittedly a nerdy person married with a former jock and he's much much more successful. People love this whole teamwork under pressure, work ethic, being able to juggle multiple tasks at the same time. Success is 99% ability to BS effectively and being at the right place at the right time. Jocks are usually very social and competitive so they have a clear advantage when it comes to management positions. My BFF from grad school played goalie on her hockey team in undergrad and she got a deluge of great job offers. I saw the same patterns for military in grad school; fighter pilots were the first to be recruited for trading positions at the top banks, nobody cared about SAT, GMAT, grades etc. My DC1 is in med school and personal charisma makes it or breaks it in the residency interviews.
Honestly, if you are a white, tall, narcissistic former athlete from an UMC family, your world is your oyster. You make the rules.

I think good looking helps a lot too, no?

I think you meant to add MALE, white, tall, former athlete... etc must be MALE. There will soon be no White FEMALE athletes beyond rec.

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Anonymous wrote:The nerds are still at this 39 pages later?

Nerd challenged seem to be right there with defensive post after defensive post.

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Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?

But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.

It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.

Then you don't understand EDUCATION.

I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.

And you get that, as med and law schools don't look at sports for admission.

They do consider it in an applicant though. If you ace the LSAT, and had top grades, plus played a varsity sport in college, and maybe also were the captain, that added time commitment and leadership on top of academic success does stand out to a law school as law requires excellent time management and leadership.

Thanks anyway but I want one that honed their time management skills with academic work and internships , not time on the field or in the pool or whatever.

That’s great the world need worker bees too.

Aww, you're cute. In the real world, our kids will employ your jocks.

Historically incorrect. That is why colleges literally fly people around the US looking for athletes.

Sadly, the PP is right. I'm admittedly a nerdy person married with a former jock and he's much much more successful. People love this whole teamwork under pressure, work ethic, being able to juggle multiple tasks at the same time. Success is 99% ability to BS effectively and being at the right place at the right time. Jocks are usually very social and competitive so they have a clear advantage when it comes to management positions. My BFF from grad school played goalie on her hockey team in undergrad and she got a deluge of great job offers. I saw the same patterns for military in grad school; fighter pilots were the first to be recruited for trading positions at the top banks, nobody cared about SAT, GMAT, grades etc. My DC1 is in med school and personal charisma makes it or breaks it in the residency interviews.
Honestly, if you are a white, tall, narcissistic former athlete from an UMC family, your world is your oyster. You make the rules.

I think good looking helps a lot too, no?

I think you meant to add MALE, white, tall, former athlete... etc must be MALE. There will soon be no White FEMALE athletes beyond rec.

Women have a significant advantage when it comes to arts and top colleges LOVE female celebrities. I went to school with Leelee Sobieski and trust me, she didn't get in because of her SAT score. She's an amazing person BTW.

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Sadly, the PP is right. I'm admittedly a nerdy person married with a former jock and he's much much more successful. People love this whole teamwork under pressure, work ethic, being able to juggle multiple tasks at the same time. Success is 99% ability to BS effectively and being at the right place at the right time. Jocks are usually very social and competitive so they have a clear advantage when it comes to management positions. My BFF from grad school played goalie on her hockey team in undergrad and she got a deluge of great job offers. I saw the same patterns for military in grad school; fighter pilots were the first to be recruited for trading positions at the top banks, nobody cared about SAT, GMAT, grades etc. My DC1 is in med school and personal charisma makes it or breaks it in the residency interviews.
Honestly, if you are a white, tall, narcissistic former athlete from an UMC family, your world is your oyster. You make the rules.

I think good looking helps a lot too, no?

I think you meant to add MALE, white, tall, former athlete... etc must be MALE. There will soon be no White FEMALE athletes beyond rec.

Why will there be no white female athletes beyond rec soon?

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The lax, hockey, swimming, golf, tennis, crew and sailing teams are going to suffer if they won't recruit white females anymore. Who are they going to get to play on these teams?

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Aww, you're cute. In the real world, our kids will employ your jocks.

Awww, you’re cute. In the real world, your kids will be visiting my recruited Ivy athlete and now doctor for medical advice. Sorry (not) for ruining your narrative.

Both of you are insecure a-hats who are not contributing anything meaningful. Shove off.

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Anonymous wrote:You haven’t figured out that our society values sports over education?

But you can get into a good school with amazing academics and zero athletics, but if you have amazing athletics you still need academics that are far above average.

It's higher EDUCATION...not higher athletics.

Then you don't understand EDUCATION.

I don't give a rats ass if my lawyer or my investment advisor or my doctor can catch a ball. I need their brains...period.

And you get that, as med and law schools don't look at sports for admission.

They do consider it in an applicant though. If you ace the LSAT, and had top grades, plus played a varsity sport in college, and maybe also were the captain, that added time commitment and leadership on top of academic success does stand out to a law school as law requires excellent time management and leadership.

Thanks anyway but I want one that honed their time management skills with academic work and internships , not time on the field or in the pool or whatever.

That’s great the world need worker bees too.

Aww, you're cute. In the real world, our kids will employ your jocks.

Historically incorrect. That is why colleges literally fly people around the US looking for athletes.

Sadly, the PP is right. I'm admittedly a nerdy person married with a former jock and he's much much more successful. People love this whole teamwork under pressure, work ethic, being able to juggle multiple tasks at the same time. Success is 99% ability to BS effectively and being at the right place at the right time. Jocks are usually very social and competitive so they have a clear advantage when it comes to management positions. My BFF from grad school played goalie on her hockey team in undergrad and she got a deluge of great job offers. I saw the same patterns for military in grad school; fighter pilots were the first to be recruited for trading positions at the top banks, nobody cared about SAT, GMAT, grades etc. My DC1 is in med school and personal charisma makes it or breaks it in the residency interviews.
Honestly, if you are a white, tall, narcissistic former athlete from an UMC family, your world is your oyster. You make the rules.

Yeah, I’m not convinced it’s the sports that make the advantage. I mean there is a lot of teamwork, pressure, work ethic is theater, orchestra, even some group science competitions, quiz bowl. But those aren’t lauded like sports.

Instead sports are a god proxy for wealth (since it usually requires driving to fields and games away from school) and that needs a SAHM and some money for the equipment and coaches.

Also, I will say being athletic will make you more attractive since you are fit, and people who succeed at sports also tend to be tall.

So it maybe the other factors that lead to success at sports that lead to success in life, not the sports themselves

Oh, and yes most of life is faking it till you make it, so BS and narcissism go hand and hand, and since in formative years you have fawning sports parents and pep rally’s and cheerleaders all shouting how great you are, athletes develop outside confidence far beyond their actual skills.

My God you need some help

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, and yes most of life is faking it till you make it, so BS and narcissism go hand and hand, and since in formative years you have fawning sports parents and pep rally’s and cheerleaders all shouting how great you are, athletes develop outside confidence far beyond their actual skills.

You clearly have never seen a full grown adult “fan” screaming from the stands at your adolescent child on the court. Or a full grown adult coach screaming obscenities at your kid and telling them they are a loser because they scored 15 instead of 25 points.

Yeah, that PP doesn't know much about youth sports. I've had kids do all sorts of activities and it was only in sports where fake achievement was not routinely awarded. Even schools these days don't tell kids when they aren't doing well. It's all positive praise only in public school.

I think one of the reasons athletes do well is in the "participation trophy" era, they are the only kids who routinely hear that they didn't do a good job. Everyone else rarely hears a negative comment until college, which is why so many of them fall apart in college. The athletes, on the other hand, are made of sterner stuff because they've had years of training.

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Anonymous wrote:They absolutely do. The only kids I know personally who go to Ivys are recruited athletes. (Not in DMV area.)

My boyfriend’s ds is a standout soccer player and going to a school he would never get in otherwise.

I don’t have any judgment about it and probably see it as an overall fine thing because I don’t really believe in entitlement to spots in college.

But there is stigma associated with that on campus. The athletes are viewed as weaker students because they got in because of sports. It worth it to take the admit but just be aware of that.

I don't think they care what the nerds think anyway.

The " I don't care" defense mechanism. It does exist.

This is a silly tangent. The only people who stigmatize athletes as weak students are younger versions of people like OP who are jealous and bitter about athletes being more sought after by colleges. Most people are not like this, and the ones who are are disappointed to find that the majority of athletes do well academically in college. Hopefully this helps them learn the dangers of stereotyping, though I don’t hold out a lot of hope given how many full-grown athlete haters there are on this forum.

Not one poster expressed hatred for athletes.

I personally expressed DIFFERENT aspirations for my child.

That is all. Why is that opinion any less valid than yours?

People have called them dumb, jocks, don’t fit in… so yes since these are all negative judgements, it shows a “hate”.

And near-immedately, a nasty sports parent retorted with HARR HARR THEY DON'T CARE WHAT THE NERDZ THINK OF THEM ANYWAY and another even dumber one "LOL"ed their post.

So you were saying?

I agree that is hateful. So you agree that there is hate for athletes. Also, can you link to a thread specifically create to hate on "geeks"? There is a "athletes suck" post every 2-3 months.

No one is hating on these kids. The issue is that these are institutions of higher education, not higher foot ball or higher hockey or higher volleyball. Nothing wrong with being a good athlete but why it makes sense to prioritize that talent over other gifts when giving out higher education spots is a legitimate discussion. Why does not other county in the world do this?

Oh come on. Some of the posts in this thread (and others on DCUM) been outright hateful. I am not remotely athletic and I can see that clearly.

There are some bitter, hateful posters on this thread who clearly have issues that go far beyond college admissions. And they live in a weird resentful fantasy world. This entire thread started with OPs angry imagination too (her story is obviously untrue), and has drawn in people similar to OP who spend their time in a fugue state centered around athletic admissions. The actual facts surrounding athletic admissions don't warrant the seething unstable focus of some of these posters.

lol. It is not really hard to understand why people would question the connection between higher learning and playing lax or hockey or whatever.
I have been through this. I had an admissions officer tell my kid to switch majors to better accommodate the sport. WTF? Obviously an immediate no to that school but some players actually did that.

It is not an obvious connection to make and the fact that you are so aggressively defensive of this weird system is suspect. Maybe you make your living in the billion dollar youth sports industry.

I'm not questioning rational people who are discussing college admissions, but there aren't any of those amongst the athlete haters in this thread. I'm questioning the crazies in this thread, who seem to have significant issues that go far beyond college admissions. I'm sorry, but the elevator doesn't quite reach the top deck for several of these posters.

I make my living about as far away from youth sports as you can possibly get.

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Anonymous wrote:Oh, and yes most of life is faking it till you make it, so BS and narcissism go hand and hand, and since in formative years you have fawning sports parents and pep rally’s and cheerleaders all shouting how great you are, athletes develop outside confidence far beyond their actual skills.

You clearly have never seen a full grown adult “fan” screaming from the stands at your adolescent child on the court. Or a full grown adult coach screaming obscenities at your kid and telling them they are a loser because they scored 15 instead of 25 points.

Yeah, that PP doesn't know much about youth sports. I've had kids do all sorts of activities and it was only in sports where fake achievement was not routinely awarded. Even schools these days don't tell kids when they aren't doing well. It's all positive praise only in public school.

I think one of the reasons athletes do well is in the "participation trophy" era, they are the only kids who routinely hear that they didn't do a good job. Everyone else rarely hears a negative comment until college, which is why so many of them fall apart in college. The athletes, on the other hand, are made of sterner stuff because they've had years of training.

I agree and the continuous, incremental improvement that high level sports develop also makes athletes stand out to employers. Our DD learned the same in ballet and it has served her well. Many ballet dancers go into STEM. They’re work ethic is unsurpassed too. Our son plays a college sport and has ADD. My family wasn’t into sports despite some innate athletic talents but now I’m a huge proponent of them for certain kids who have that drive. Lifesaver for our child and many others. .

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What’s with the posters who are insulting others? I cannot believe adults are calling the non athletes “nerds.” I know it has gone both ways but that really sticks out as just awful - and stereotypical jock behavior (a la Revenge of the Nerds).

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Anonymous wrote:What’s with the posters who are insulting others? I cannot believe adults are calling the non athletes “nerds.” I know it has gone both ways but that really sticks out as just awful - and stereotypical jock behavior (a la Revenge of the Nerds).

No no, kids use nerd as a term of endearment nowadays.