LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

F the new title IX stuff and DeVos. That is the whole issue here.

This resulted from colleges expelling the accused --no matter what the evidence.

Everyone deserves due process. But, I find it hard to believe that the school could not have monitored the kid since he had been charged based on evidence. Title IX is an excuse being used. When someone is charged with a crime, you have bail set according to the crime. Of course, that may not be what is happening with these leftist prosecutors. Remember, this is not just the school at fault.

The law requires that a juvenile suspect be released or have the case adjudicated within after 21 days of detention. The results of DNA analysis hadn't been returned within 21 days so judge ordered the student release with electronic monitoring.

That is true... but there is an exception allowed for extending detention for good cause to include time to allow for scientific analysis. The judge could have kept the student in juvenile detention if the reason for the delay was to get DNA sample results or other evidence from a rape kit analysis.

Just to be clear, the decision to release or not is made by a judge and not a "leftist prosecutor" as suggested in the post to which I replied.

Also, the citation you provided is not exactly for scientific analysis but rather time to obtain the presence of a witness to testify about that analysis. Conceivably, those could be one and the same since and expert would not be available to testify about results that don't exist.

The impression I get is that it was the judge's decision but the prosecutor did not have an objection.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

I am not convinced the SRO did not believe her or delayed anything. I believe I heard that is what the parent says, so may be true, I do not know. But from what I have read, more law enforcement than the SRO was involved from the first day.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I am not convinced the SRO did not believe her or delayed anything. I believe I heard that is what the parent says, so may be true, I do not know. But from what I have read, more law enforcement than the SRO was involved from the first day.

People are inferring in part because a distinction was made between the two incidents to explain why the community was not notified about the first incident.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

Common denominator seems to be we need to work on how we are raising boys.

Exactly! People are talking about bathroom monitors, emergency buttons, locks in doors, etc when the real problem is predatory men/boys who see girls as prey.

PS. If there’s the will and the opportunity, a sexual assault can happen almost anywhere on a school campus, not just in the bathrooms.

And it’s hilariously naive to think parenting will solve this. I work in a mental hospital. Do you know how many of my patients have been accused of sexual assault? Hint: A LOT.

Try to parent your way out of that one.

Sounds like you have some important insights to share. Can you tell us more about what can/should be done?

Insights on how to stop untreated mentally ill people from assaulting others? I’ve got nothing other than emergency buttons in bathrooms and maybe monitors as the other PP said. Can’t change the person intending to harm, that’s for sure.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

The school had nothing to report as the investigation was not completed. People can yell about it, but there is nothing to report yet. It will be added when the school has authority, which was taken by police and will be, or has been, furthered delayed due to the Title IX process. Ziegler may have screwed up elsewhere, but not here...at least not yet.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

F the new title IX stuff and DeVos. That is the whole issue here.

This resulted from colleges expelling the accused --no matter what the evidence.

Everyone deserves due process. But, I find it hard to believe that the school could not have monitored the kid since he had been charged based on evidence. Title IX is an excuse being used. When someone is charged with a crime, you have bail set according to the crime. Of course, that may not be what is happening with these leftist prosecutors. Remember, this is not just the school at fault.

The law requires that a juvenile suspect be released or have the case adjudicated within after 21 days of detention. The results of DNA analysis hadn't been returned within 21 days so judge ordered the student release with electronic monitoring.

That is true... but there is an exception allowed for extending detention for good cause to include time to allow for scientific analysis. The judge could have kept the student in juvenile detention if the reason for the delay was to get DNA sample results or other evidence from a rape kit analysis.

Just to be clear, the decision to release or not is made by a judge and not a "leftist prosecutor" as suggested in the post to which I replied.

Also, the citation you provided is not exactly for scientific analysis but rather time to obtain the presence of a witness to testify about that analysis. Conceivably, those could be one and the same since and expert would not be available to testify about results that don't exist.

The impression I get is that it was the judge's decision but the prosecutor did not have an objection.

I agree with your point and your impression. I just wanted to note that after 21 days not all juveniles have released in some circumstances, but the judge has to act and the prosecutor could push for it.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why did my post on the legal definition of sodomy get removed?

It was pretty graphic and I don't want this thread flagged by advertisers. Anyway, you should read the indictment and you will see that your definition was unnecessary.

ugh, ok thanks.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

Common denominator seems to be we need to work on how we are raising boys.

Exactly! People are talking about bathroom monitors, emergency buttons, locks in doors, etc when the real problem is predatory men/boys who see girls as prey.

PS. If there’s the will and the opportunity, a sexual assault can happen almost anywhere on a school campus, not just in the bathrooms.

And it’s hilariously naive to think parenting will solve this. I work in a mental hospital. Do you know how many of my patients have been accused of sexual assault? Hint: A LOT.

Try to parent your way out of that one.

Sounds like you have some important insights to share. Can you tell us more about what can/should be done?

Insights on how to stop untreated mentally ill people from assaulting others? I’ve got nothing other than emergency buttons in bathrooms and maybe monitors as the other PP said. Can’t change the person intending to harm, that’s for sure.

Well here, forcible sodomy is the charge. You need a penis to do that. So, a cis female safe space bathroom would work.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

Common denominator seems to be we need to work on how we are raising boys.

Exactly! People are talking about bathroom monitors, emergency buttons, locks in doors, etc when the real problem is predatory men/boys who see girls as prey.

PS. If there’s the will and the opportunity, a sexual assault can happen almost anywhere on a school campus, not just in the bathrooms.

And it’s hilariously naive to think parenting will solve this. I work in a mental hospital. Do you know how many of my patients have been accused of sexual assault? Hint: A LOT.

Try to parent your way out of that one.

Sounds like you have some important insights to share. Can you tell us more about what can/should be done?

Insights on how to stop untreated mentally ill people from assaulting others? I’ve got nothing other than emergency buttons in bathrooms and maybe monitors as the other PP said. Can’t change the person intending to harm, that’s for sure.

Well here, forcible sodomy is the charge. You need a penis to do that. So, a cis female safe space bathroom would work.

Except the perp committed his other sexual assault in a classroom. You would think a classroom would be a safe space. The room/location doesn’t matter that much—If the pero wants to assault someone, he will find a time and a place.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

Common denominator seems to be we need to work on how we are raising boys.

Exactly! People are talking about bathroom monitors, emergency buttons, locks in doors, etc when the real problem is predatory men/boys who see girls as prey.

PS. If there’s the will and the opportunity, a sexual assault can happen almost anywhere on a school campus, not just in the bathrooms.

And it’s hilariously naive to think parenting will solve this. I work in a mental hospital. Do you know how many of my patients have been accused of sexual assault? Hint: A LOT.

Try to parent your way out of that one.

Sounds like you have some important insights to share. Can you tell us more about what can/should be done?

Insights on how to stop untreated mentally ill people from assaulting others? I’ve got nothing other than emergency buttons in bathrooms and maybe monitors as the other PP said. Can’t change the person intending to harm, that’s for sure.

Well here, forcible sodomy is the charge. You need a penis to do that. So, a cis female safe space bathroom would work.

No, you don’t.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

Common denominator seems to be we need to work on how we are raising boys.

Exactly! People are talking about bathroom monitors, emergency buttons, locks in doors, etc when the real problem is predatory men/boys who see girls as prey.

PS. If there’s the will and the opportunity, a sexual assault can happen almost anywhere on a school campus, not just in the bathrooms.

And it’s hilariously naive to think parenting will solve this. I work in a mental hospital. Do you know how many of my patients have been accused of sexual assault? Hint: A LOT.

Try to parent your way out of that one.

Sounds like you have some important insights to share. Can you tell us more about what can/should be done?

Insights on how to stop untreated mentally ill people from assaulting others? I’ve got nothing other than emergency buttons in bathrooms and maybe monitors as the other PP said. Can’t change the person intending to harm, that’s for sure.

Well here, forcible sodomy is the charge. You need a penis to do that. So, a cis female safe space bathroom would work.

Except the perp committed his other sexual assault in a classroom. You would think a classroom would be a safe space. The room/location doesn’t matter that much—If the pero wants to assault someone, he will find a time and a place.

Groping allegedly happened in the classroom.

Not sex, or forcible sodomy.

HUGE difference!!!!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

Common denominator seems to be we need to work on how we are raising boys.

Exactly! People are talking about bathroom monitors, emergency buttons, locks in doors, etc when the real problem is predatory men/boys who see girls as prey.

PS. If there’s the will and the opportunity, a sexual assault can happen almost anywhere on a school campus, not just in the bathrooms.

And it’s hilariously naive to think parenting will solve this. I work in a mental hospital. Do you know how many of my patients have been accused of sexual assault? Hint: A LOT.

Try to parent your way out of that one.

Sounds like you have some important insights to share. Can you tell us more about what can/should be done?

Insights on how to stop untreated mentally ill people from assaulting others? I’ve got nothing other than emergency buttons in bathrooms and maybe monitors as the other PP said. Can’t change the person intending to harm, that’s for sure.

Well here, forcible sodomy is the charge. You need a penis to do that. So, a cis female safe space bathroom would work.

No, you don’t.

For "anal intercourse" type forcible sodomy in VA you do.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

Common denominator seems to be we need to work on how we are raising boys.

Exactly! People are talking about bathroom monitors, emergency buttons, locks in doors, etc when the real problem is predatory men/boys who see girls as prey.

PS. If there’s the will and the opportunity, a sexual assault can happen almost anywhere on a school campus, not just in the bathrooms.

And it’s hilariously naive to think parenting will solve this. I work in a mental hospital. Do you know how many of my patients have been accused of sexual assault? Hint: A LOT.

Try to parent your way out of that one.

Sounds like you have some important insights to share. Can you tell us more about what can/should be done?

Insights on how to stop untreated mentally ill people from assaulting others? I’ve got nothing other than emergency buttons in bathrooms and maybe monitors as the other PP said. Can’t change the person intending to harm, that’s for sure.

Well here, forcible sodomy is the charge. You need a penis to do that. So, a cis female safe space bathroom would work.

Except the perp committed his other sexual assault in a classroom. You would think a classroom would be a safe space. The room/location doesn’t matter that much—If the pero wants to assault someone, he will find a time and a place.

Groping allegedly happened in the classroom.

Not sex, or forcible sodomy.

HUGE difference!!!!

So you’re saying forced sodomy can only happen in a bathroom setting?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

F the new title IX stuff and DeVos. That is the whole issue here.

This resulted from colleges expelling the accused --no matter what the evidence.

Everyone deserves due process. But, I find it hard to believe that the school could not have monitored the kid since he had been charged based on evidence. Title IX is an excuse being used. When someone is charged with a crime, you have bail set according to the crime. Of course, that may not be what is happening with these leftist prosecutors. Remember, this is not just the school at fault.

The law requires that a juvenile suspect be released or have the case adjudicated within after 21 days of detention. The results of DNA analysis hadn't been returned within 21 days so judge ordered the student release with electronic monitoring.

That is true... but there is an exception allowed for extending detention for good cause to include time to allow for scientific analysis. The judge could have kept the student in juvenile detention if the reason for the delay was to get DNA sample results or other evidence from a rape kit analysis.

It seems like the SRO didn’t believe her and/or school wanted to keep quiet about the incident so I wonder if it clouded the investigation. The SRO’s and admin are usually friendly and collaborate. SRO’s are there for crime prevention. Once a crime occurs someone more impartial should be writing up the crime report.

Students and even teachers once they walk through the school door lose some rights. If someone spits in your face or punches you in the face or gropes you anywhere besides a school, you can report that to the police and hope the perpetrator has a consequence. In a school it is now hushed up and the victim is made to meet with the perpetrator in a restorative justice meeting.

There are cases where restorative justice is called for and the best solution but in too many situations the perpetrator learns there are no real consequences. Too often in the past kids who weren’t white were getting arrested or cited at school but now the pendulum has swung so far that there are serious safety issues at many schools.

From my understanding of what I have heard from people involved in the first incident, there was question as to whether the first incident was forced or consensual. There’s additional details the public doesn’t know that made that determination murky