LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I got this straight.

The sheriff's office stepped in to arrest the angry father of the anally-assaulted girl (she needed corrective surgery following the assault) on the day of the assault, when the father went to the school to confront the principal over what happened to his daughter. LCPS asked the sheriff's office to arrest the father because he was upset (probably he was yelling at the knuckleheads). While the school officials and the sheriff's office were preoccupied with arresting the dad, the sociopath was loose on campus. Neither LCPS nor the sheriff's office followed up with the little sociopath for the remainder of that school year. The next year the sociopath was moved to a different school. He proceeded to abduct a sweet, innocent girl and violently raped her in an empty classroom. Even then, the sheriff's office and LCPS officials tried to pretend nothing had happened. They were mad at the dad for making a fuss at a school board meeting over the anal rape of his daughter.

Do I have it straight?

Not really. You do have a proclivity for using inflammatory and sensational language to describe a situation that is plenty dramatic without your gratuitous adjectives and other modifiers, though. But since you are all up in arms about the school administration, perhaps read the sections of the report more closely the sections discussing the colossal failures by the sheriff’s office. That’s just as scandalous as the LCPS response and in fact set the stage for the LCPS bungling.

No. Everyone is responsible for their own action or inaction here. LCPS doesn’t get to blame the sheriff for their own negligence and lies. The sheriff absolutely holds blame too, but that does not in any way absolve LCPS. Ziegler, the asst super, the division counsel and Wade should all be fired for cause.

[Anonymous]

Father just stated in an interview the reason his daughter transferred to Ashburn was because she was held by knifepoint by three male assailants at her other school in Leesburg. It resulted in additional threats by MS-13 gang members so they transferred her to Ashburn. The poor girl already had psychological issues from being held at knifepoint, threats, etc, but her psychiatrist/psychologist felt the best thing for her to do is go back to school. Parents were skeptical but figured the professionals knew best.

The boy who raped her probably saw her as the perfect victim. The school administrators knew the girl's past circumstances and did not protect her or believe her.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:This whole story has so many facets and layers, so not commenting on all. Four things the jump out to me, some addresses here some not (though I have not read all 70+ pages of comments).

- The trans bathroom discussion is irrelevant to all of this.

- The Title IX regulations enacted in July 2020 must change, and really tie the hands of schools to deal with these issues. They had a direct impact on allowing for the second assault to occur (not an excuse, just a reality).

- The schools have to be able to take disciplinary/preventative action even when law enforcement says step back and do not investigate until they finish their investigation. I get the rationale, but the school has a duty for safety and should not be obliged to step aside as they did as that investigation went on.

- The schools, since following Title IX limits and the request of law enforcement, needed to be much more proactive in monitoring this boy while on campus.


And unrelated to the school part of this, after reading the AP article, the psychosexual evaluation produced for the court must have been a doozy for the judge for say what he/she did and have the boy require to register as a sex offender for life at his age.

He raped the first girl anally. She needed corrective surgery.

The LGBTQ crowd has blood on their hands.

If you actually read the 25 page report, you would know that none of it has anything to do with the fact that dude was wearing a kilt. He wasn't in the girls bathroom to pee. It was merely a vacant place to commit his crime. He wasn't wearing a kilt to waltz into the bathroom undetected. He isn't gender fluid and none of this had anything to do with the transgender policy. He's a hetero violent sociopath and hopefully will spend the rest of his life in jail, because if not he WILL strike again.

He states himself he’s gender fluid and likes wearing skirts.

Which has nothing to do with anything in this case. How is it relevant? His victim agreed to meet him in the bathroom. Because they had had a consensual sexual relationship previously. It’s not like he wore a skirt to sneak into a girls bathroom and lay in wait.

The teacher’s aide who expressed concern about his behavior was accused of being transphobic. Perhaps that impacted the teacher who found the boy in the bathroom with the girl during the assault and was part of the reason for that teacher not saying anything?

Without a doubt.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:The fact that the assailant was wandering the school unaccounted for for several hours after the incident is upsetting. Did it not occur to anyone to find him? Did they even try?

I think the principal did not believe the girl's story. In his email he says the girl made similar allegations at a previous school. Many on this forum were defending the boy on charges of rape given the facts- unlike the second case, this girl voluntarily went into the bathroom to meet this boy. The judge ruled rape, but many people on here who had a political motive wanted to defend it.
What I don't understand is why this girl was at the school. Apparently they live in Leesburg, and it appears the previous school was Tuscorara. This is not particularly close to Broad Run or Stone Bridge.

The girl had been held at knifepoint by three guys at her previous school. They left after she started getting threats by MS-13.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole story has so many facets and layers, so not commenting on all. Four things the jump out to me, some addresses here some not (though I have not read all 70+ pages of comments).

- The trans bathroom discussion is irrelevant to all of this.

- The Title IX regulations enacted in July 2020 must change, and really tie the hands of schools to deal with these issues. They had a direct impact on allowing for the second assault to occur (not an excuse, just a reality).

- The schools have to be able to take disciplinary/preventative action even when law enforcement says step back and do not investigate until they finish their investigation. I get the rationale, but the school has a duty for safety and should not be obliged to step aside as they did as that investigation went on.

- The schools, since following Title IX limits and the request of law enforcement, needed to be much more proactive in monitoring this boy while on campus.


And unrelated to the school part of this, after reading the AP article, the psychosexual evaluation produced for the court must have been a doozy for the judge for say what he/she did and have the boy require to register as a sex offender for life at his age.

He raped the first girl anally. She needed corrective surgery.

The LGBTQ crowd has blood on their hands.

You have to be out of your damn mind.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:
If the school has room and the parents are willing to drive the kid, a kid can go to the school. Leesburg schools aren’t as good as Ashburn’s

You have to get permission from a different school for a transfer. I don't agree the Leesburg schools aren't as good, though perhaps that applies more to middle schools.
One school has a whole section of kids taking algebra 2, while schools in Ashburn bus them to high school to take the class.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If the school has room and the parents are willing to drive the kid, a kid can go to the school. Leesburg schools aren’t as good as Ashburn’s

You have to get permission from a different school for a transfer. I don't agree the Leesburg schools aren't as good, though perhaps that applies more to middle schools.
One school has a whole section of kids taking algebra 2, while schools in Ashburn bus them to high school to take the class.

Special permission is automatically granted if a school is below 95% max enrollment. In Loudoun you don’t need to state a reason.

[Anonymous]

The leadership is sickening.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I got this straight.

The sheriff's office stepped in to arrest the angry father of the anally-assaulted girl (she needed corrective surgery following the assault) on the day of the assault, when the father went to the school to confront the principal over what happened to his daughter. LCPS asked the sheriff's office to arrest the father because he was upset (probably he was yelling at the knuckleheads). While the school officials and the sheriff's office were preoccupied with arresting the dad, the sociopath was loose on campus. Neither LCPS nor the sheriff's office followed up with the little sociopath for the remainder of that school year. The next year the sociopath was moved to a different school. He proceeded to abduct a sweet, innocent girl and violently raped her in an empty classroom. Even then, the sheriff's office and LCPS officials tried to pretend nothing had happened. They were mad at the dad for making a fuss at a school board meeting over the anal rape of his daughter.

Do I have it straight?

Not really. You do have a proclivity for using inflammatory and sensational language to describe a situation that is plenty dramatic without your gratuitous adjectives and other modifiers, though. But since you are all up in arms about the school administration, perhaps read the sections of the report more closely the sections discussing the colossal failures by the sheriff’s office. That’s just as scandalous as the LCPS response and in fact set the stage for the LCPS bungling.

No. Everyone is responsible for their own action or inaction here. LCPS doesn’t get to blame the sheriff for their own negligence and lies. The sheriff absolutely holds blame too, but that does not in any way absolve LCPS. Ziegler, the asst super, the division counsel and Wade should all be fired for cause.

Please try to keep up. The LCPS didn't blame the sheriff. The special grand jury did.

The grand jury also concluded there was no coordinated effort on part of LCPS. Nor did it make ANY recommendations for disciplinary action/consequences for LCPS officials, let alone bring criminal charges.

You're grasping at straws because you are deeply committed to an insane narrative about a tragic circumstance that is rooted in a bizarre and psychotic hatred of LGBTQ people. You're really disgusting, really, with your need to be righteous, inflammatory and try to fix blame when we should be looking to fix the problems identified in the report, which include institutions operating in silos. Left less said is what to do about protocols for handling sexual assaults.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I got this straight.

The sheriff's office stepped in to arrest the angry father of the anally-assaulted girl (she needed corrective surgery following the assault) on the day of the assault, when the father went to the school to confront the principal over what happened to his daughter. LCPS asked the sheriff's office to arrest the father because he was upset (probably he was yelling at the knuckleheads). While the school officials and the sheriff's office were preoccupied with arresting the dad, the sociopath was loose on campus. Neither LCPS nor the sheriff's office followed up with the little sociopath for the remainder of that school year. The next year the sociopath was moved to a different school. He proceeded to abduct a sweet, innocent girl and violently raped her in an empty classroom. Even then, the sheriff's office and LCPS officials tried to pretend nothing had happened. They were mad at the dad for making a fuss at a school board meeting over the anal rape of his daughter.

Do I have it straight?

Not really. You do have a proclivity for using inflammatory and sensational language to describe a situation that is plenty dramatic without your gratuitous adjectives and other modifiers, though. But since you are all up in arms about the school administration, perhaps read the sections of the report more closely the sections discussing the colossal failures by the sheriff’s office. That’s just as scandalous as the LCPS response and in fact set the stage for the LCPS bungling.

No. Everyone is responsible for their own action or inaction here. LCPS doesn’t get to blame the sheriff for their own negligence and lies. The sheriff absolutely holds blame too, but that does not in any way absolve LCPS. Ziegler, the asst super, the division counsel and Wade should all be fired for cause.

Please try to keep up. The LCPS didn't blame the sheriff. The special grand jury did.

The grand jury also concluded there was no coordinated effort on part of LCPS. Nor did it make ANY recommendations for disciplinary action/consequences for LCPS officials, let alone bring criminal charges.

You're grasping at straws because you are deeply committed to an insane narrative about a tragic circumstance that is rooted in a bizarre and psychotic hatred of LGBTQ people. You're really disgusting, really, with your need to be righteous, inflammatory and try to fix blame when we should be looking to fix the problems identified in the report, which include institutions operating in silos. Left less said is what to do about protocols for handling sexual assaults.

You couldn’t be more wrong. I’m a liberal who is fine with transgender students using any bathroom they like and none of this has anything to do with that. This was a deeply troubled kid with no empathy or fear of consequences who showed all the warning signs and could have been stopped in countless ways and wasn’t. The entire system failed those girls over and over and over again.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I got this straight.

The sheriff's office stepped in to arrest the angry father of the anally-assaulted girl (she needed corrective surgery following the assault) on the day of the assault, when the father went to the school to confront the principal over what happened to his daughter. LCPS asked the sheriff's office to arrest the father because he was upset (probably he was yelling at the knuckleheads). While the school officials and the sheriff's office were preoccupied with arresting the dad, the sociopath was loose on campus. Neither LCPS nor the sheriff's office followed up with the little sociopath for the remainder of that school year. The next year the sociopath was moved to a different school. He proceeded to abduct a sweet, innocent girl and violently raped her in an empty classroom. Even then, the sheriff's office and LCPS officials tried to pretend nothing had happened. They were mad at the dad for making a fuss at a school board meeting over the anal rape of his daughter.

Do I have it straight?

Not really. You do have a proclivity for using inflammatory and sensational language to describe a situation that is plenty dramatic without your gratuitous adjectives and other modifiers, though. But since you are all up in arms about the school administration, perhaps read the sections of the report more closely the sections discussing the colossal failures by the sheriff’s office. That’s just as scandalous as the LCPS response and in fact set the stage for the LCPS bungling.

No. Everyone is responsible for their own action or inaction here. LCPS doesn’t get to blame the sheriff for their own negligence and lies. The sheriff absolutely holds blame too, but that does not in any way absolve LCPS. Ziegler, the asst super, the division counsel and Wade should all be fired for cause.

Please try to keep up. The LCPS didn't blame the sheriff. The special grand jury did.

The grand jury also concluded there was no coordinated effort on part of LCPS. Nor did it make ANY recommendations for disciplinary action/consequences for LCPS officials, let alone bring criminal charges.

You're grasping at straws because you are deeply committed to an insane narrative about a tragic circumstance that is rooted in a bizarre and psychotic hatred of LGBTQ people. You're really disgusting, really, with your need to be righteous, inflammatory and try to fix blame when we should be looking to fix the problems identified in the report, which include institutions operating in silos. Left less said is what to do about protocols for handling sexual assaults.

You couldn’t be more wrong. I’m a liberal who is fine with transgender students using any bathroom they like and none of this has anything to do with that. This was a deeply troubled kid with no empathy or fear of consequences who showed all the warning signs and could have been stopped in countless ways and wasn’t. The entire system failed those girls over and over and over again.

No, I am not wrong about this. The end.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So let me see if I got this straight.

The sheriff's office stepped in to arrest the angry father of the anally-assaulted girl (she needed corrective surgery following the assault) on the day of the assault, when the father went to the school to confront the principal over what happened to his daughter. LCPS asked the sheriff's office to arrest the father because he was upset (probably he was yelling at the knuckleheads). While the school officials and the sheriff's office were preoccupied with arresting the dad, the sociopath was loose on campus. Neither LCPS nor the sheriff's office followed up with the little sociopath for the remainder of that school year. The next year the sociopath was moved to a different school. He proceeded to abduct a sweet, innocent girl and violently raped her in an empty classroom. Even then, the sheriff's office and LCPS officials tried to pretend nothing had happened. They were mad at the dad for making a fuss at a school board meeting over the anal rape of his daughter.

Do I have it straight?

Not really. You do have a proclivity for using inflammatory and sensational language to describe a situation that is plenty dramatic without your gratuitous adjectives and other modifiers, though. But since you are all up in arms about the school administration, perhaps read the sections of the report more closely the sections discussing the colossal failures by the sheriff’s office. That’s just as scandalous as the LCPS response and in fact set the stage for the LCPS bungling.

No. Everyone is responsible for their own action or inaction here. LCPS doesn’t get to blame the sheriff for their own negligence and lies. The sheriff absolutely holds blame too, but that does not in any way absolve LCPS. Ziegler, the asst super, the division counsel and Wade should all be fired for cause.

Please try to keep up. The LCPS didn't blame the sheriff. The special grand jury did.

The grand jury also concluded there was no coordinated effort on part of LCPS. Nor did it make ANY recommendations for disciplinary action/consequences for LCPS officials, let alone bring criminal charges.

You're grasping at straws because you are deeply committed to an insane narrative about a tragic circumstance that is rooted in a bizarre and psychotic hatred of LGBTQ people. You're really disgusting, really, with your need to be righteous, inflammatory and try to fix blame when we should be looking to fix the problems identified in the report, which include institutions operating in silos. Left less said is what to do about protocols for handling sexual assaults.

I don’t even understand why you are pushing this narrative about hatred of LGBTQ people. The problem PP has is that individuals who could have intervened had been lectured by administration about LGBTQ, which is why the teacher, who witnessed the legs under the stall, kept her mouth shut. She was afraid to intervene, to go to anyone who would intervene. Even if it turned out to be consensual sex and not rape, do you think it’s appropriate for two kids to be screwing in a bathroom? When the higher ups in schools and school boards create an atmosphere of fear in the staff, bad thing happen to children.

This was not a first offense for this kid. He had offenses in other states and his own grandmother felt he was sociopathic. Her father stated his daughter was only back in school for a few weeks before this kid preyed on her.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If the school has room and the parents are willing to drive the kid, a kid can go to the school. Leesburg schools aren’t as good as Ashburn’s

You have to get permission from a different school for a transfer. I don't agree the Leesburg schools aren't as good, though perhaps that applies more to middle schools.
One school has a whole section of kids taking algebra 2, while schools in Ashburn bus them to high school to take the class.

In this case, it was no longer safe for this girl to stay at the Leesburg school, given she had already been held at knifepoint by three students, and threatened by MS-13. You can agree or disagree, but those are the facts. If that kind of assault can happen at a school, it’s not a good school. There’s no reason on God’s green earth why violent gang members should be attending a public school, never mind members of a gang that was imported here by ‘kind souls who only want to help those less fortunate’. When politics put our kids in danger and politicians turn a blind eye to it, it’s up to parents to step up to the plate. It takes guts and you have to be prepared to be made a pariah. Scott Smith is the type of parent all of us should aspire to be. How he was treated by county officials is nothing short of reprehensible.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:
If the school has room and the parents are willing to drive the kid, a kid can go to the school. Leesburg schools aren’t as good as Ashburn’s

You have to get permission from a different school for a transfer. I don't agree the Leesburg schools aren't as good, though perhaps that applies more to middle schools.
One school has a whole section of kids taking algebra 2, while schools in Ashburn bus them to high school to take the class.

In this case, it was no longer safe for this girl to stay at the Leesburg school, given she had already been held at knifepoint by three students, and threatened by MS-13. You can agree or disagree, but those are the facts. If that kind of assault can happen at a school, it’s not a good school. There’s no reason on God’s green earth why violent gang members should be attending a public school, never mind members of a gang that was imported here by ‘kind souls who only want to help those less fortunate’. When politics put our kids in danger and politicians turn a blind eye to it, it’s up to parents to step up to the plate. It takes guts and you have to be prepared to be made a pariah. Scott Smith is the type of parent all of us should aspire to be. How he was treated by county officials is nothing short of reprehensible.

Where else should school-aged gang members be? They're supposed to be in school. And MS-13 is homegrown, not imported.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:This whole story has so many facets and layers, so not commenting on all. Four things the jump out to me, some addresses here some not (though I have not read all 70+ pages of comments).

- The trans bathroom discussion is irrelevant to all of this.

- The Title IX regulations enacted in July 2020 must change, and really tie the hands of schools to deal with these issues. They had a direct impact on allowing for the second assault to occur (not an excuse, just a reality).

- The schools have to be able to take disciplinary/preventative action even when law enforcement says step back and do not investigate until they finish their investigation. I get the rationale, but the school has a duty for safety and should not be obliged to step aside as they did as that investigation went on.

- The schools, since following Title IX limits and the request of law enforcement, needed to be much more proactive in monitoring this boy while on campus.


And unrelated to the school part of this, after reading the AP article, the psychosexual evaluation produced for the court must have been a doozy for the judge for say what he/she did and have the boy require to register as a sex offender for life at his age.

He raped the first girl anally. She needed corrective surgery.

The LGBTQ crowd has blood on their hands.

If you actually read the 25 page report, you would know that none of it has anything to do with the fact that dude was wearing a kilt. He wasn't in the girls bathroom to pee. It was merely a vacant place to commit his crime. He wasn't wearing a kilt to waltz into the bathroom undetected. He isn't gender fluid and none of this had anything to do with the transgender policy. He's a hetero violent sociopath and hopefully will spend the rest of his life in jail, because if not he WILL strike again.

He states himself he’s gender fluid and likes wearing skirts.

Which has nothing to do with anything in this case. How is it relevant? His victim agreed to meet him in the bathroom. Because they had had a consensual sexual relationship previously. It’s not like he wore a skirt to sneak into a girls bathroom and lay in wait.

The teacher’s aide who expressed concern about his behavior was accused of being transphobic. Perhaps that impacted the teacher who found the boy in the bathroom with the girl during the assault and was part of the reason for that teacher not saying anything?

The teacher didn’t see anything but four feet. She didn’t speak to them, or ask who was there or if everything was okay. She just walked out.

There are more details than that. When she came in, the boy temporarily stopped his assault and jumped quickly up. The girl rose more slowly, probably due to the fact that she was in pain. She knew she was witnessing something that was simply wrong to be occurring in a school. She still did nothing, out of fear.

In your defense of transgenderism, it’s clear you are willing to ignore those situations where the politics get in the way of justice.