LCPS sexual assualt - who is held accountable?

[Anonymous]

As someone who has been tracking sexual violence in educational settings and public spaces for a research project over the past five everything about this case is following an extremely troubling pattern..

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:As someone who has been tracking sexual violence in educational settings and public spaces for a research project over the past five everything about this case is following an extremely troubling pattern..

Can you elaborate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

How about boys just behave themselves?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:In regards to bathroom safety what if every bathroom had an emergency button. If pushed it would notify the main office and school resource officer. It could be used for any type of emergency including medical. Another idea is if bathrooms required students to swipe their student ID to get access. Students including transgender students would only be given access to their preferred bathroom. This way a boy couldn’t just walk into the girls bathroom.

How about boys just behave themselves?

Great solution. Once you make that happen, let us know.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

The school had nothing to report as the investigation was not completed. People can yell about it, but there is nothing to report yet. It will be added when the school has authority, which was taken by police and will be, or has been, furthered delayed due to the Title IX process. Ziegler may have screwed up elsewhere, but not here...at least not yet.

Exactly.

And we have a family friend whose son (college age) was accused before the Title IX change and it ruined his life. He's had to change his name and has been in intense therapy for years just to live some semblance of a normal life again. Before the change, as soon as someone made the accusation, the one being accused was immediately removed from school and barred from campus. That was before any investigation by the school or police was even started.

He was attending school out of state and after being kicked out of college, he still had to remain in that state at first by order of the police/court, so his parents had to scramble to find him a place to stay because many of the hotels there wouldn't allow a 19 year old to check in. His name and reputation were immediately dragged on social media and still to this day, if you google his previous name, Tweets about the accusation come up. However, when the actual police completed their investigation, they found the young woman lied to cover up cheating on her boyfriend. She didn't even get charged with anything. The college allowed him to come back, but his life there was already ruined, so he withdrew. He tried transferring the next semester to a nearby school, but rumors followed him and he ended up dropping out of college altogether.

[Anonymous]

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why did my post on the legal definition of sodomy get removed?

It was pretty graphic and I don't want this thread flagged by advertisers. Anyway, you should read the indictment and you will see that your definition was unnecessary.

Where's the indictment? Is it linked in your other post with the timeline?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

The school had nothing to report as the investigation was not completed. People can yell about it, but there is nothing to report yet. It will be added when the school has authority, which was taken by police and will be, or has been, furthered delayed due to the Title IX process. Ziegler may have screwed up elsewhere, but not here...at least not yet.

Exactly.

And we have a family friend whose son (college age) was accused before the Title IX change and it ruined his life. He's had to change his name and has been in intense therapy for years just to live some semblance of a normal life again. Before the change, as soon as someone made the accusation, the one being accused was immediately removed from school and barred from campus. That was before any investigation by the school or police was even started.

He was attending school out of state and after being kicked out of college, he still had to remain in that state at first by order of the police/court, so his parents had to scramble to find him a place to stay because many of the hotels there wouldn't allow a 19 year old to check in. His name and reputation were immediately dragged on social media and still to this day, if you google his previous name, Tweets about the accusation come up. However, when the actual police completed their investigation, they found the young woman lied to cover up cheating on her boyfriend. She didn't even get charged with anything. The college allowed him to come back, but his life there was already ruined, so he withdrew. He tried transferring the next semester to a nearby school, but rumors followed him and he ended up dropping out of college altogether.

I agree with the change in Title IX that gives due process to the accused. I am not sure if it kept LCPS from including it in their report since it was not resolved. It does seem that there would be an ability to report the number of accused -but not yet resolved cases.

One thing for sure, though, when he was asked the question at the SB meeting, he could have answered that there was one under review. He is taking advantage of semantics, in that case.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

F the new title IX stuff and DeVos. That is the whole issue here.

This resulted from colleges expelling the accused --no matter what the evidence.

Everyone deserves due process. But, I find it hard to believe that the school could not have monitored the kid since he had been charged based on evidence. Title IX is an excuse being used. When someone is charged with a crime, you have bail set according to the crime. Of course, that may not be what is happening with these leftist prosecutors. Remember, this is not just the school at fault.

The law requires that a juvenile suspect be released or have the case adjudicated within after 21 days of detention. The results of DNA analysis hadn't been returned within 21 days so judge ordered the student release with electronic monitoring.

That is true... but there is an exception allowed for extending detention for good cause to include time to allow for scientific analysis. The judge could have kept the student in juvenile detention if the reason for the delay was to get DNA sample results or other evidence from a rape kit analysis.

It seems like the SRO didn’t believe her and/or school wanted to keep quiet about the incident so I wonder if it clouded the investigation. The SRO’s and admin are usually friendly and collaborate. SRO’s are there for crime prevention. Once a crime occurs someone more impartial should be writing up the crime report.

Students and even teachers once they walk through the school door lose some rights. If someone spits in your face or punches you in the face or gropes you anywhere besides a school, you can report that to the police and hope the perpetrator has a consequence. In a school it is now hushed up and the victim is made to meet with the perpetrator in a restorative justice meeting.

There are cases where restorative justice is called for and the best solution but in too many situations the perpetrator learns there are no real consequences. Too often in the past kids who weren’t white were getting arrested or cited at school but now the pendulum has swung so far that there are serious safety issues at many schools.

From my understanding of what I have heard from people involved in the first incident, there was question as to whether the first incident was forced or consensual. There’s additional details the public doesn’t know that made that determination murky

So you still are blaming a rape victim who didn’t wait days or weeks or months to report her attack but told someone the same day, went to the ER, and had a rape kit done that same day. You aren’t getting that it is in the school district’s interest to minimalist what happened and discredit her. You are doing the same. Do you think that of all rape victims? The school district is counting on the facts never coming out because the suspect is a minor so details, any charges or convictions may never be released. Stop discrediting the victim.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

F the new title IX stuff and DeVos. That is the whole issue here.

This resulted from colleges expelling the accused --no matter what the evidence.

Everyone deserves due process. But, I find it hard to believe that the school could not have monitored the kid since he had been charged based on evidence. Title IX is an excuse being used. When someone is charged with a crime, you have bail set according to the crime. Of course, that may not be what is happening with these leftist prosecutors. Remember, this is not just the school at fault.

The law requires that a juvenile suspect be released or have the case adjudicated within after 21 days of detention. The results of DNA analysis hadn't been returned within 21 days so judge ordered the student release with electronic monitoring.

That is true... but there is an exception allowed for extending detention for good cause to include time to allow for scientific analysis. The judge could have kept the student in juvenile detention if the reason for the delay was to get DNA sample results or other evidence from a rape kit analysis.

It seems like the SRO didn’t believe her and/or school wanted to keep quiet about the incident so I wonder if it clouded the investigation. The SRO’s and admin are usually friendly and collaborate. SRO’s are there for crime prevention. Once a crime occurs someone more impartial should be writing up the crime report.

Students and even teachers once they walk through the school door lose some rights. If someone spits in your face or punches you in the face or gropes you anywhere besides a school, you can report that to the police and hope the perpetrator has a consequence. In a school it is now hushed up and the victim is made to meet with the perpetrator in a restorative justice meeting.

There are cases where restorative justice is called for and the best solution but in too many situations the perpetrator learns there are no real consequences. Too often in the past kids who weren’t white were getting arrested or cited at school but now the pendulum has swung so far that there are serious safety issues at many schools.

From my understanding of what I have heard from people involved in the first incident, there was question as to whether the first incident was forced or consensual. There’s additional details the public doesn’t know that made that determination murky

So you still are blaming a rape victim who didn’t wait days or weeks or months to report her attack but told someone the same day, went to the ER, and had a rape kit done that same day. You aren’t getting that it is in the school district’s interest to minimalist what happened and discredit her. You are doing the same. Do you think that of all rape victims? The school district is counting on the facts never coming out because the suspect is a minor so details, any charges or convictions may never be released. Stop discrediting the victim.

I literally am not. I am speaking to the previous comment that said the SRO “didn’t believe” the victim and why there was no official determination a crime had been committed or any adjudication, which is why LCPS could not expel the accused. Officially, it had not yet been determined it was a crime. I am speaking procedurally only.

[Anonymous]

Yes, for some reason the boy was charged immediately the 2nd time but the first time wasn’t charged until 1.5 months later. This has not really been explained.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

F the new title IX stuff and DeVos. That is the whole issue here.

This resulted from colleges expelling the accused --no matter what the evidence.

Everyone deserves due process. But, I find it hard to believe that the school could not have monitored the kid since he had been charged based on evidence. Title IX is an excuse being used. When someone is charged with a crime, you have bail set according to the crime. Of course, that may not be what is happening with these leftist prosecutors. Remember, this is not just the school at fault.

The law requires that a juvenile suspect be released or have the case adjudicated within after 21 days of detention. The results of DNA analysis hadn't been returned within 21 days so judge ordered the student release with electronic monitoring.

That is true... but there is an exception allowed for extending detention for good cause to include time to allow for scientific analysis. The judge could have kept the student in juvenile detention if the reason for the delay was to get DNA sample results or other evidence from a rape kit analysis.

It seems like the SRO didn’t believe her and/or school wanted to keep quiet about the incident so I wonder if it clouded the investigation. The SRO’s and admin are usually friendly and collaborate. SRO’s are there for crime prevention. Once a crime occurs someone more impartial should be writing up the crime report.

Students and even teachers once they walk through the school door lose some rights. If someone spits in your face or punches you in the face or gropes you anywhere besides a school, you can report that to the police and hope the perpetrator has a consequence. In a school it is now hushed up and the victim is made to meet with the perpetrator in a restorative justice meeting.

There are cases where restorative justice is called for and the best solution but in too many situations the perpetrator learns there are no real consequences. Too often in the past kids who weren’t white were getting arrested or cited at school but now the pendulum has swung so far that there are serious safety issues at many schools.

From my understanding of what I have heard from people involved in the first incident, there was question as to whether the first incident was forced or consensual. There’s additional details the public doesn’t know that made that determination murky

So you still are blaming a rape victim who didn’t wait days or weeks or months to report her attack but told someone the same day, went to the ER, and had a rape kit done that same day. You aren’t getting that it is in the school district’s interest to minimalist what happened and discredit her. You are doing the same. Do you think that of all rape victims? The school district is counting on the facts never coming out because the suspect is a minor so details, any charges or convictions may never be released. Stop discrediting the victim.

I literally am not. I am speaking to the previous comment that said the SRO “didn’t believe” the victim and why there was no official determination a crime had been committed or any adjudication, which is why LCPS could not expel the accused. Officially, it had not yet been determined it was a crime. I am speaking procedurally only.

Yes, exactly. And this is literally why rape cases are SO hard to prosecute when the victim and suspect are known to each other. It all boils down to he said, she said and who presents better evidence to back their claim.

Say it was your kid who was accused of doing something to their ex girlfriend in school. Would you want your kid immediately expelled without any evidence? No.

The way this was handled has not been ideal AT ALL and not the way we, the public as parents, want to see it handled, but procedures and laws have to be followed to maintain the integrity of the case.

The suspect in question has a legal right to a public school education. The victim also has that right. How does the school system provide that right to both parties while the investigation is ongoing? The suspect gets transferred.

You interact with dozens of criminals each day while out in public, many of whom are out on bond/bail/wearing a monitor. The courts cannot predict who will reoffend and who will not. Again, due process has to be followed.

[Anonymous]

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:As someone who has been tracking sexual violence in educational settings and public spaces for a research project over the past five everything about this case is following an extremely troubling pattern..

Can you elaborate?

It has nothing to do with a bathroom controversy, this sort of stuff is buried and covered up in districts across the country and has been for decades. Admins don't care about the district or families in it, end of the day they're job-hopping bureaucrats who will hop on a one way plane ticket across the country for a $20,000 bump in pay.

[jsteele]

Anonymous wrote:

jsteele wrote:

Anonymous wrote:why did my post on the legal definition of sodomy get removed?

It was pretty graphic and I don't want this thread flagged by advertisers. Anyway, you should read the indictment and you will see that your definition was unnecessary.

Where's the indictment? Is it linked in your other post with the timeline?

Actually, I misspoke and I meant "charges" not indictment. The charges are described in this article:

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/loudoun-county-responds-dad-daughter-sexual-assault

I had thought that I had seen an official announcement of the charges but now I can't find one. The article above relies on the Daily Wire for the charges.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

I agree with the change in Title IX that gives due process to the accused. I am not sure if it kept LCPS from including it in their report since it was not resolved. It does seem that there would be an ability to report the number of accused -but not yet resolved cases.

One thing for sure, though, when he was asked the question at the SB meeting, he could have answered that there was one under review. He is taking advantage of semantics, in that case.



I also agree that accused students deserve due process. the new Title IX regulation, however, is incredibly too onerous and time consuming. It was clearly designed for college campuses, and just sending it down for K-12 basically as is, is really fitting a square peg in a round hole.

The Title IX process has not kept LCPS from reporting this to VDOE so far, that is due to the police telling LCPS not to conduct any investigation. Reporting will be on hold, though, unitl after the Title IX process, which will have to start after the court proceedings conclude. The school cannot rely on the court proceedings as their evidence and process. It will then take a minimum of a month, and more likley much, much longer for LCPS to complete the entire Title IX grievance process. There is no mechanism to report an accusation for an unresolved case to VDOE. LCPS cannot report anything until, and unless, they make a finding of a Title IX violation or if not a Title IX matter (though it will be if true as reported) the code of conduct.

I agree that the superintendent's statement that there were no sexual accaults that he knew of was misleading at best. I do not buy that he did not understand the question.

A change to the title IX process was necessary, but this is not a good regulation. This will become evident now that studnets are back in school. The process is way too complicated. And in the meantime, all the school can do is provide "supportive measures" to both parties without discipline. LCPS, and all school systems, need to be sure those are much more protective of other students and staff than what seems to have occured here. There will be a lot of lawsuits related to title IX cases in the future for sure.