Travel Soccer teams around NOVA let's discuss

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Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda torn on this. I think at heart it is great idea. In practice? I think it is full of pitfalls in regards to scrimmages alone.

The discussion should be, depending on the number of tourneys how many scrimmages are needed? 5? 10? Per season? What is the sweet spot?

I'd think 5-8 would be about right. If BRYC promises anything close to what a league schedule to be I see that failing. It would be nearly impossible to find enough willing partners all of whom are playing a full league schedule themselves.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if BRYC over sells replicating a league experience I think even the truest of believers will be frustrated at what would look like chaos.

Leagues at the least offer structure to plan by and that is no small thing. Being told at the last minute a scrimmage has either just been scheduled or canceled is gonna be a bag of hurt.

I don't think they're overselling or trying to replicate a league experience. The emphasis is on the training. There will be scrimmages and tournaments. I didn't get the sense they were suggesting it would look and feel like a league experience.

How large are these training groups? If BRYC only fields 1 team per age group, will they train 50 players knowing that only about 15 (5 come from outside) will make the ECNL team. Hard to ask a parent to commit to that program and then at U13 told that your kid hasn't progress enough and has to go elsewhere to find a team when they could have been somewhere all along. I personally like what they are doing but think it may be a hard sell if only small number of those training will transition into ECNL squad. What if none of the training group is as good as those coming from outside to try-out? Wouldn't look good for the program. Just like folks are talking badly about a local club whose DA team is all made of players that weren't with the club the prior year. Maybe it'll be good to put pressure on trainers/coaches to actually develop players capable of making the team. Interesting to see.

I think you have your wires crossed here. I think the point you are referring to is the following quote; "They said ID days for the ECNL teams would start in March - sounds like one training day a week will be designated as an ID day where up to 5 outside players can attend and participate in a training session for a given team/age group. Not sure if this also applies to the younger age groups. I assume they'll still do a traditional tryout later in the spring[i]."

Meaning that per training session per age group up to 5-10 outside kids can join in addition to the scheduled ID sessions. So you have the option of going to the ID sessions as well as contacting the coaches directly and hopping in on a practice.

[Anonymous]

Was it clear at the presentation that all the BRYC scrimmages were against other clubs?

Could any of it be intra-club somehow, maybe mixing and between age groups or even genders (U10 boys v U12 girls)?

Pick up soccer/scrimmage type deal where pressure/results off and coaches encourage players to be daring, clever, and experimental . . . those things could easily be planned ahead and stay very local.

[Anonymous]

Actually, you have your wires crossed. The scheduled ID sessions are the one day per week practices when a few outside players from a particular age group will join with the existing team in that age group. For the boys, those ID sessions will be on Wednesdays. For the girls, the night of the week may vary by age group b/c not every age group practices on Wednesdays. Players will need to arrange with the club to attend an ID session; it will not be whichever 5 players show up at the field first will be allowed to practice. The clear intent was not to have a big open tryout at the end of the season but there was a passing reference to that being a possibility if needed.

It was clear that the intent was for BRYC to scrimmage against other clubs. Several CCL clubs had already expressed an interest in scrimmages and the club would also work with other local clubs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda torn on this. I think at heart it is great idea. In practice? I think it is full of pitfalls in regards to scrimmages alone.

The discussion should be, depending on the number of tourneys how many scrimmages are needed? 5? 10? Per season? What is the sweet spot?

I'd think 5-8 would be about right. If BRYC promises anything close to what a league schedule to be I see that failing. It would be nearly impossible to find enough willing partners all of whom are playing a full league schedule themselves.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if BRYC over sells replicating a league experience I think even the truest of believers will be frustrated at what would look like chaos.

Leagues at the least offer structure to plan by and that is no small thing. Being told at the last minute a scrimmage has either just been scheduled or canceled is gonna be a bag of hurt.

I don't think they're overselling or trying to replicate a league experience. The emphasis is on the training. There will be scrimmages and tournaments. I didn't get the sense they were suggesting it would look and feel like a league experience.

How large are these training groups? If BRYC only fields 1 team per age group, will they train 50 players knowing that only about 15 (5 come from outside) will make the ECNL team. Hard to ask a parent to commit to that program and then at U13 told that your kid hasn't progress enough and has to go elsewhere to find a team when they could have been somewhere all along. I personally like what they are doing but think it may be a hard sell if only small number of those training will transition into ECNL squad. What if none of the training group is as good as those coming from outside to try-out? Wouldn't look good for the program. Just like folks are talking badly about a local club whose DA team is all made of players that weren't with the club the prior year. Maybe it'll be good to put pressure on trainers/coaches to actually develop players capable of making the team. Interesting to see.

I think you have your wires crossed here. I think the point you are referring to is the following quote; "They said ID days for the ECNL teams would start in March - sounds like one training day a week will be designated as an ID day where up to 5 outside players can attend and participate in a training session for a given team/age group. Not sure if this also applies to the younger age groups. I assume they'll still do a traditional tryout later in the spring[i]."

Meaning that per training session per age group up to 5-10 outside kids can join in addition to the scheduled ID sessions. So you have the option of going to the ID sessions as well as contacting the coaches directly and hopping in on a practice.

From this a couple of pages back:

They indicated that the younger age groups (U9-U12) would not play in a league. They'll train, participate in tournaments, and play friendlies with neighboring clubs. There's a chance some teams (possibly including grandfathered second teams) may be able to fill gaps in CCL but they said that is still TBD. The rising U13s (05s) will likely participate in pre-ECNL.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:What BRYC is doing is giving soccer back to the kids. Gotsoccer is nothing in this model. There is no pushing for the physicality of play and reliance on it in the younger years. A model like this allows for development of players. Nobody is caring how many tournament wins or league rankings. It's perfect.

Let the douchey parents that like to sit around the water cooler bragging about little Jimmy's prowess and medals take it to the other Clubs. This takes the wind out of the sails of a lot of the jerks that come in and ruin Clubs by their focus on recruiting and winning with young kids.

Wow. Did BRYC play it all up, or was it just a minor point???? So damn outside the box . . .
Luv it

I freakin love this move by BRYC. Good for them

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Actually, you have your wires crossed. The scheduled ID sessions are the one day per week practices when a few outside players from a particular age group will join with the existing team in that age group. For the boys, those ID sessions will be on Wednesdays. For the girls, the night of the week may vary by age group b/c not every age group practices on Wednesdays. Players will need to arrange with the club to attend an ID session; it will not be whichever 5 players show up at the field first will be allowed to practice. The clear intent was not to have a big open tryout at the end of the season but there was a passing reference to that being a possibility if needed.

It was clear that the intent was for BRYC to scrimmage against other clubs. Several CCL clubs had already expressed an interest in scrimmages and the club would also work with other local clubs.

I think I said the coaches needed to be contacted regarding attending practices at the very least to even know when practice is even held.

Your post read to me like you thought that there would be a player pool of 50 kids, that's all. 50 kids showing up to a tryout would be expected.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Actually, you have your wires crossed. The scheduled ID sessions are the one day per week practices when a few outside players from a particular age group will join with the existing team in that age group. For the boys, those ID sessions will be on Wednesdays. For the girls, the night of the week may vary by age group b/c not every age group practices on Wednesdays. Players will need to arrange with the club to attend an ID session; it will not be whichever 5 players show up at the field first will be allowed to practice. The clear intent was not to have a big open tryout at the end of the season but there was a passing reference to that being a possibility if needed.

It was clear that the intent was for BRYC to scrimmage against other clubs. Several CCL clubs had already expressed an interest in scrimmages and the club would also work with other local clubs.

I think I said the coaches needed to be contacted regarding attending practices at the very least to even know when practice is even held.

Your post read to me like you thought that there would be a player pool of 50 kids, that's all. 50 kids showing up to a tryout would be expected.

It was in reference to the training for U9-U12 not try-outs.

[Anonymous]

I wonder if BRYC might consider playing in VDL in U9/U10. It's a bunch of low-key scrimmages.

I like seeing different approaches for U11 and under. Frankly, some of it sounds like advanced House league with more professional coaches and tournaments instead of All-Stars.

The only problem is that we end up with even more "leagues" -- whether they're full-fledged leagues like NCSL/ODSL or loose associations.

[Anonymous]

from the SYA town hall- Md United is also leaving CCL after this year (due to boys joining Ecnl).

Ellicot City is joining CCL.

[Anonymous]

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Are there any other local clubs that have completely opted of joining a league and just training at these ages? Seems very interesting, especially if the tournaments were limited to 2-3 a season.

Have not heard of anyone doing this at U11/12 but I know of a couple in VA that do not play in leagues at U9 and U10 and charge full travel fees. Fredericksburg FC U9/10 only play scrimmages and do not play in a league. Richmond Kickers U9 and U10 is setup the same way, in house scrimmages, friendlies and a couple tournaments per year. There might be other clubs doing this as well but these are the only two I'm familiar with.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:from the SYA town hall- Md United is also leaving CCL after this year (due to boys joining Ecnl).

Ellicot City is joining CCL.

Maryland U. offered decent competition usually. E. City was horrible and a longer drive. CCL just gets worse and worse. It just needs to implode.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:from the SYA town hall- Md United is also leaving CCL after this year (due to boys joining Ecnl).

Ellicot City is joining CCL.

Maryland U. offered decent competition usually. E. City was horrible and a longer drive. CCL just gets worse and worse. It just needs to implode.

Yep. The advent of ECNL on boys side and DA on girls side is doing to CCL what CCL did to NCSL and WAGS. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:from the SYA town hall- Md United is also leaving CCL after this year (due to boys joining Ecnl).

Ellicot City is joining CCL.

Maryland U. offered decent competition usually. E. City was horrible and a longer drive. CCL just gets worse and worse. It just needs to implode.

Yep. The advent of ECNL on boys side and DA on girls side is doing to CCL what CCL did to NCSL and WAGS. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

+100

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:from the SYA town hall- Md United is also leaving CCL after this year (due to boys joining Ecnl).

Ellicot City is joining CCL.

Maryland U. offered decent competition usually. E. City was horrible and a longer drive. CCL just gets worse and worse. It just needs to implode.

Yep. The advent of ECNL on boys side and DA on girls side is doing to CCL what CCL did to NCSL and WAGS. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

How many years you think? Who's going to exit next? Interesting to see. Wonder if some of the bigger clubs are thinking ahead. Create a NOVA only CCL?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:from the SYA town hall- Md United is also leaving CCL after this year (due to boys joining Ecnl).

Ellicot City is joining CCL.

Maryland U. offered decent competition usually. E. City was horrible and a longer drive. CCL just gets worse and worse. It just needs to implode.

Yep. The advent of ECNL on boys side and DA on girls side is doing to CCL what CCL did to NCSL and WAGS. Couldn't happen to a more deserving bunch.

How many years you think? Who's going to exit next? Interesting to see. Wonder if some of the bigger clubs are thinking ahead. Create a NOVA only CCL?

Or a NoVa plus MoCo. That would be nice.