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Anonymous wrote:What BRYC is doing is giving soccer back to the kids. Gotsoccer is nothing in this model. There is no pushing for the physicality of play and reliance on it in the younger years. A model like this allows for development of players. Nobody is caring how many tournament wins or league rankings. It's perfect.

Let the douchey parents that like to sit around the water cooler bragging about little Jimmy's prowess and medals take it to the other Clubs. This takes the wind out of the sails of a lot of the jerks that come in and ruin Clubs by their focus on recruiting and winning with young kids.


Interesting. However, I'm wondering...what motivates kids to train? Usually games/competition. Will they be happy training with their reward being a few scrimmages? I'm not so sure.


Scrimmages are the same as games to little kids. It's the parents that push to be able to see standings.

Maybe true for some but not to all. My 9 yr old son son wants to go to a different basketball league next year because his current league doesn't have playoffs or a champion. Believe me...I can care less about this. I'm just happy he's running around in the winter.


agree. sounds like having to do juniors u8 in mclean with only scrimmages against the same 40-50. all the boys and parents try to just survive and make it through that one year.


The weeding out has already begun. Great news.
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Anonymous wrote:What BRYC is doing is giving soccer back to the kids. Gotsoccer is nothing in this model. There is no pushing for the physicality of play and reliance on it in the younger years. A model like this allows for development of players. Nobody is caring how many tournament wins or league rankings. It's perfect.

Let the douchey parents that like to sit around the water cooler bragging about little Jimmy's prowess and medals take it to the other Clubs. This takes the wind out of the sails of a lot of the jerks that come in and ruin Clubs by their focus on recruiting and winning with young kids.


Wow. Did BRYC play it all up, or was it just a minor point???? So damn outside the box . . .
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I freakin love this move by BRYC. Good for them
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Was a tryout schedule for BRYC announced????
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Anonymous wrote:What BRYC is doing is giving soccer back to the kids. Gotsoccer is nothing in this model. There is no pushing for the physicality of play and reliance on it in the younger years. A model like this allows for development of players. Nobody is caring how many tournament wins or league rankings. It's perfect.

Let the douchey parents that like to sit around the water cooler bragging about little Jimmy's prowess and medals take it to the other Clubs. This takes the wind out of the sails of a lot of the jerks that come in and ruin Clubs by their focus on recruiting and winning with young kids.


Interesting. However, I'm wondering...what motivates kids to train? Usually games/competition. Will they be happy training with their reward being a few scrimmages? I'm not so sure.


Scrimmages are the same as games to little kids. It's the parents that push to be able to see standings.

Maybe true for some but not to all. My 9 yr old son son wants to go to a different basketball league next year because his current league doesn't have playoffs or a champion. Believe me...I can care less about this. I'm just happy he's running around in the winter.


agree. sounds like having to do juniors u8 in mclean with only scrimmages against the same 40-50. all the boys and parents try to just survive and make it through that one year.


The weeding out has already begun. Great news.


. . . Yes, but the problem with Jr's is not the idea, but how it's implemented there. Dribbling inside the 18 for an hour in a cluster@#$& sucks. The scrimmages used to be run like weekend matches, but now just thrown together, no teams, no uniforms, etc.

BRYC wouldn't do this hopefully.
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Anonymous wrote:Was a tryout schedule for BRYC announced????


ID sessions during weeknight training in March. They will be specific days and limited in how many new players can come out each night so the integrity of the training session isn't affected. The schedule wasn't announced. It sounded like those sessions would be primarily U13 and up, and they will still have 3 nights of tryouts for the younger ages at the end of May.

I would suggest if you have an interest, reach out to the current coach now to get the ball rolling.
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Anonymous wrote:Was a tryout schedule for BRYC announced????


They said ID days for the ECNL teams would start in March - sounds like one training day a week will be designated as an ID day where up to 5 outside players can attend and participate in a training session for a given team/age group. Not sure if this also applies to the younger age groups. I assume they'll still do a traditional tryout later in the spring.
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Anonymous wrote:What BRYC is doing is giving soccer back to the kids. Gotsoccer is nothing in this model. There is no pushing for the physicality of play and reliance on it in the younger years. A model like this allows for development of players. Nobody is caring how many tournament wins or league rankings. It's perfect.

Let the douchey parents that like to sit around the water cooler bragging about little Jimmy's prowess and medals take it to the other Clubs. This takes the wind out of the sails of a lot of the jerks that come in and ruin Clubs by their focus on recruiting and winning with young kids.


Wow. Did BRYC play it all up, or was it just a minor point???? So damn outside the box . . .
Luv it



I freakin love this move by BRYC. Good for them


Me too. I come from a long line of rebels--particularly with respect to nova soccer.

Implode. Let all of these leagues implode. I wish it would happen at my club--but we have too many damn lemmings fooled by the promise of eliteness and names of soccer has-beens they have called in to run the show.
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Anonymous wrote:What BRYC is doing is giving soccer back to the kids. Gotsoccer is nothing in this model. There is no pushing for the physicality of play and reliance on it in the younger years. A model like this allows for development of players. Nobody is caring how many tournament wins or league rankings. It's perfect.

Let the douchey parents that like to sit around the water cooler bragging about little Jimmy's prowess and medals take it to the other Clubs. This takes the wind out of the sails of a lot of the jerks that come in and ruin Clubs by their focus on recruiting and winning with young kids.


Interesting. However, I'm wondering...what motivates kids to train? Usually games/competition. Will they be happy training with their reward being a few scrimmages? I'm not so sure.


Scrimmages are the same as games to little kids. It's the parents that push to be able to see standings.

Maybe true for some but not to all. My 9 yr old son son wants to go to a different basketball league next year because his current league doesn't have playoffs or a champion. Believe me...I can care less about this. I'm just happy he's running around in the winter.


agree. sounds like having to do juniors u8 in mclean with only scrimmages against the same 40-50. all the boys and parents try to just survive and make it through that one year.


The weeding out has already begun. Great news.


. . . Yes, but the problem with Jr's is not the idea, but how it's implemented there. Dribbling inside the 18 for an hour in a cluster@#$& sucks. The scrimmages used to be run like weekend matches, but now just thrown together, no teams, no uniforms, etc.

BRYC wouldn't do this hopefully.


I understood that it would be set up like a normal game (uniforms, referees, etc) and just there wouldn't be standings kept
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Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:
Anonymous wrote:What BRYC is doing is giving soccer back to the kids. Gotsoccer is nothing in this model. There is no pushing for the physicality of play and reliance on it in the younger years. A model like this allows for development of players. Nobody is caring how many tournament wins or league rankings. It's perfect.

Let the douchey parents that like to sit around the water cooler bragging about little Jimmy's prowess and medals take it to the other Clubs. This takes the wind out of the sails of a lot of the jerks that come in and ruin Clubs by their focus on recruiting and winning with young kids.


Wow. Did BRYC play it all up, or was it just a minor point???? So damn outside the box . . .
Luv it



I freakin love this move by BRYC. Good for them


Me too. I come from a long line of rebels--particularly with respect to nova soccer.

Implode. Let all of these leagues implode. I wish it would happen at my club--but we have too many damn lemmings fooled by the promise of eliteness and names of soccer has-beens they have called in to run the show.


McLean?
Anonymous
I'm kinda torn on this. I think at heart it is great idea. In practice? I think it is full of pitfalls in regards to scrimmages alone.

The discussion should be, depending on the number of tourneys how many scrimmages are needed? 5? 10? Per season? What is the sweet spot?

I'd think 5-8 would be about right. If BRYC promises anything close to what a league schedule to be I see that failing. It would be nearly impossible to find enough willing partners all of whom are playing a full league schedule themselves.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if BRYC over sells replicating a league experience I think even the truest of believers will be frustrated at what would look like chaos.

Leagues at the least offer structure to plan by and that is no small thing. Being told at the last minute a scrimmage has either just been scheduled or canceled is gonna be a bag of hurt.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda torn on this. I think at heart it is great idea. In practice? I think it is full of pitfalls in regards to scrimmages alone.

The discussion should be, depending on the number of tourneys how many scrimmages are needed? 5? 10? Per season? What is the sweet spot?

I'd think 5-8 would be about right. If BRYC promises anything close to what a league schedule to be I see that failing. It would be nearly impossible to find enough willing partners all of whom are playing a full league schedule themselves.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if BRYC over sells replicating a league experience I think even the truest of believers will be frustrated at what would look like chaos.

Leagues at the least offer structure to plan by and that is no small thing. Being told at the last minute a scrimmage has either just been scheduled or canceled is gonna be a bag of hurt.


Maybe more clubs plan to do this next year. It will be hard with the clubs that have 6 teams per age group to swing that many weekly scrimmages---but smaller clubs...and once you start losing clubs to leagues....

We can also argue--why is it ever necessary to have 6 teams per age group for starters?? Not everybody is meant to play travel to begin with. Now it is no longer elite and it is diluted and you have the problems that have been happening.

There should be 2 teams per age group that dress and play---with a lower group of 15 or so that train. As the kids on the 2 teams stop developing or performing they go back down to the training group. Like the good ol' days before every kid in the DMV was wearing a travel soccer warm-up suit.

If an area is so big that the population feeding into it requires so many teams----that monster should be split up. Competition should be allowed. Something that gigantic is not good for training and zero choices or other options for locals is not good.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda torn on this. I think at heart it is great idea. In practice? I think it is full of pitfalls in regards to scrimmages alone.

The discussion should be, depending on the number of tourneys how many scrimmages are needed? 5? 10? Per season? What is the sweet spot?

I'd think 5-8 would be about right. If BRYC promises anything close to what a league schedule to be I see that failing. It would be nearly impossible to find enough willing partners all of whom are playing a full league schedule themselves.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if BRYC over sells replicating a league experience I think even the truest of believers will be frustrated at what would look like chaos.

Leagues at the least offer structure to plan by and that is no small thing. Being told at the last minute a scrimmage has either just been scheduled or canceled is gonna be a bag of hurt.


I don't think they're overselling or trying to replicate a league experience. The emphasis is on the training. There will be scrimmages and tournaments. I didn't get the sense they were suggesting it would look and feel like a league experience.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda torn on this. I think at heart it is great idea. In practice? I think it is full of pitfalls in regards to scrimmages alone.

The discussion should be, depending on the number of tourneys how many scrimmages are needed? 5? 10? Per season? What is the sweet spot?

I'd think 5-8 would be about right. If BRYC promises anything close to what a league schedule to be I see that failing. It would be nearly impossible to find enough willing partners all of whom are playing a full league schedule themselves.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if BRYC over sells replicating a league experience I think even the truest of believers will be frustrated at what would look like chaos.

Leagues at the least offer structure to plan by and that is no small thing. Being told at the last minute a scrimmage has either just been scheduled or canceled is gonna be a bag of hurt.


I don't think they're overselling or trying to replicate a league experience. The emphasis is on the training. There will be scrimmages and tournaments. I didn't get the sense they were suggesting it would look and feel like a league experience.


As long as they stay on message then it should be fine. I still don't think underselling the scrimmages solves the chaotic nature of setting scrimmages up though. And believe me, I'm only digging in on this issue because I feel it is likely the biggest glaring weakness in the eyes of parents who are if not convinced leagues are the answer, they are at least used to their structure and view them as "tradition" so to speak.

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Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda torn on this. I think at heart it is great idea. In practice? I think it is full of pitfalls in regards to scrimmages alone.

The discussion should be, depending on the number of tourneys how many scrimmages are needed? 5? 10? Per season? What is the sweet spot?

I'd think 5-8 would be about right. If BRYC promises anything close to what a league schedule to be I see that failing. It would be nearly impossible to find enough willing partners all of whom are playing a full league schedule themselves.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if BRYC over sells replicating a league experience I think even the truest of believers will be frustrated at what would look like chaos.

Leagues at the least offer structure to plan by and that is no small thing. Being told at the last minute a scrimmage has either just been scheduled or canceled is gonna be a bag of hurt.


I don't think they're overselling or trying to replicate a league experience. The emphasis is on the training. There will be scrimmages and tournaments. I didn't get the sense they were suggesting it would look and feel like a league experience.


How large are these training groups? If BRYC only fields 1 team per age group, will they train 50 players knowing that only about 15 (5 come from outside) will make the ECNL team. Hard to ask a parent to commit to that program and then at U13 told that your kid hasn't progress enough and has to go elsewhere to find a team when they could have been somewhere all along. I personally like what they are doing but think it may be a hard sell if only small number of those training will transition into ECNL squad. What if none of the training group is as good as those coming from outside to try-out? Wouldn't look good for the program. Just like folks are talking badly about a local club whose DA team is all made of players that weren't with the club the prior year. Maybe it'll be good to put pressure on trainers/coaches to actually develop players capable of making the team. Interesting to see.
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Anonymous wrote:I'm kinda torn on this. I think at heart it is great idea. In practice? I think it is full of pitfalls in regards to scrimmages alone.

The discussion should be, depending on the number of tourneys how many scrimmages are needed? 5? 10? Per season? What is the sweet spot?

I'd think 5-8 would be about right. If BRYC promises anything close to what a league schedule to be I see that failing. It would be nearly impossible to find enough willing partners all of whom are playing a full league schedule themselves.

This isn't necessarily a bad thing but if BRYC over sells replicating a league experience I think even the truest of believers will be frustrated at what would look like chaos.

Leagues at the least offer structure to plan by and that is no small thing. Being told at the last minute a scrimmage has either just been scheduled or canceled is gonna be a bag of hurt.


Maybe more clubs plan to do this next year. It will be hard with the clubs that have 6 teams per age group to swing that many weekly scrimmages---but smaller clubs...and once you start losing clubs to leagues....

We can also argue--why is it ever necessary to have 6 teams per age group for starters?? Not everybody is meant to play travel to begin with. Now it is no longer elite and it is diluted and you have the problems that have been happening.

There should be 2 teams per age group that dress and play---with a lower group of 15 or so that train. As the kids on the 2 teams stop developing or performing they go back down to the training group. Like the good ol' days before every kid in the DMV was wearing a travel soccer warm-up suit.

If an area is so big that the population feeding into it requires so many teams----that monster should be split up. Competition should be allowed. Something that gigantic is not good for training and zero choices or other options for locals is not good.


It certainly seems like a money grab and lunacy to have 6 teams per age group however, I like to view it more as growing the game. I'm not sure that a rec environment can grow the game in the same way I could be wrong, but I tend to think there is greater commitment level even in lower travel level than in rec leagues. Even the consistency of the team in a lower travel team has benefits over the jockeying to keep friends together on a rec team from fall to spring from year to year.

And since it isn't my place to tell people what to do with their money I don't see a real problem with a club having 6 teams per age group and people paying for it. That said I'm not sure how large monsters like Loudoun could be broken up. Their mini program is huge and introduces the game to so many kids which is great. They also kind of cast kids as a 4th team player where after time their ambition dies and they don't seek improvement yet continue to play because they still like the game but can never picture themselves playing for another team or club.
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