Hayfield Football Coach Fired

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:D. Overton isn’t going to stay at Hayfield and won’t be hired by any FCPS school. If he’s allowed to stay at HSS, he isn’t going to be putting together “all-star teams” (that’s hire the Freedom-Hayfield kids described it, not me) and he hasn’t shown that he’s capable of making the most of a “community-based” school. He won’t be able to recruit under the microscopic lens he’s earned in both PWCPS & now FCPS. I think the external investigation will lead to meaningful changes that conform to VHSL guidance. The boundary review is going to make it harder for HSS FB & BBB as it will eliminate HSS as an option for military families aboard Fort Belvoir, so they won’t even have access to those kids. He’ll be just like every other coach in the county, making the best unit from the local kids. That’s not his M.O. He’d leave on his own.

If they had anything on Overton, he would have been banned or disciplined. They don’t.

I disagree. From a legal perspective, FCPS can simply refrain from renewing his coaching contract. Non-renewal is a much easier and cleaner way to let him go.

The stickier issue is with the principal. it appears that he has caused some exposure (choosing words carefully) to retaliation claims and if I were FCPS would want the benefit of the external legal review before taking any action.

Typically in investigations in the corporate world cleaning house of various actors is not unusual, fair or not. One way to insulate (to a degree) from retaliation claims is to clean house. FCPS is not a corporation but legal liability is unpleasant to any large entity. It is somewhat understandable that the HSS parents and their kids playing football don't have a full appreciation of this dilemma. But it is a real factor.

I noted with some interest the Apostle's screed against the ending of the Hayfield football season. She attacked a FCPS coach as racist. I assume that this is the reason her screed has been taken down. The Apostle was no doubt informed of the possibility of defamation liability. Not so smart.

One thing about those who support the racial angle are missing. Gaining a college scholarship. particularly in the Power 4, is an incredibly long odds proposition - very long odds. Hayfield has two 3 star players. No certainty at all they will end up playing, particularly the receiver at 5"10 155 lbs. Of course the ACC team will put 20 pounds on him but no one can predict whether he will remain fast enough to play at the Power 4 level. Not a knock on the kid - for all I know he is a nice kid. But D1 football is brutal.

I was a D1 scholarship Power 4 guy years ago. Ditto for my brother. The chances of getting a scholarship in our sport were tiny. In hindsight it was foolish to count on an athletic scholarship, especially since once granted one one had to subordinate academics to athletics. My brother and I, both poor, were Phi Beta Kappa for a reason. It was the only kind of goal that made sense. Otherwise the system works you rather than you making it work for you. The focus should be on improving the academics of all black males, and this won't happen for most through football. The glorification of high school football doesn't help many. Note this comment is from a guy who likes and knows sports.

Change that to athletes

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:‘I am sorry’: Superintendent works to make amends following uproar over Hayfield football

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/12/09/i-am-sorry-superintendent-works-to-make-amends-following-uproar-over-hayfield-football/

Are we living in a bubble on this forum?

“ While the Hayfield situation is perhaps the biggest black eye for Virginia’s largest school district in years, school board members in general — even those critical of her performance on this specific issue — appear to remain supportive of Reid’s overall leadership.”

Where is there any evidence to support this? Even Hayfield/Freedom sycophants want her to resign.

Because. If your biggest scandal is a football product in an area that can careless about high school football, heck even College football. Then you are really doing that bad of a job? (kanye shrug)

I am amazed by people who still think this is merely a football problem (I will assume that is what the above poster meant to write). It speaks volumes of them and their education.

It’s definitely more than a football program. This was about race. It’s a race problem.

They weren’t going to allow some Black guy to come into Fairfax County and build a powerhouse of a team that will dominate any other fcps school. Then he had nerve to attract talented players that were Black.

Madison is been representing Fairfax county in the Championship for years and that’s how the good white folks of Fairfax County want it. Try to change that and it’s going to be a problem.

You don’t “attract” talent in HS athletics!!!! 🤦🏼‍♀️ Your team is made up from the students in your boundary for your school (yes I understand there are exceptions for AUTHORIZED attendance at schools outside your zoned school). This entire issue is because he frickin RECRUITED talented players to illegally transfer to Hayfield. This is NOT the NCAA or NFL or some elite club team. It’s HS athletics for gods sake.

People can move. People can move to a school district for any reason they want to, athletics or academics or they like the mascot or colors, it’s a free country. We live in a transient area. If a family is moving in with kids who play sports - they should absolutely consider the best fit for their kids. So yes, programs can attract kids.

They just cannot recruit them.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:‘I am sorry’: Superintendent works to make amends following uproar over Hayfield football

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/12/09/i-am-sorry-superintendent-works-to-make-amends-following-uproar-over-hayfield-football/

Are we living in a bubble on this forum?

“ While the Hayfield situation is perhaps the biggest black eye for Virginia’s largest school district in years, school board members in general — even those critical of her performance on this specific issue — appear to remain supportive of Reid’s overall leadership.”

Where is there any evidence to support this? Even Hayfield/Freedom sycophants want her to resign.

Because. If your biggest scandal is a football product in an area that can careless about high school football, heck even College football. Then you are really doing that bad of a job? (kanye shrug)

I am amazed by people who still think this is merely a football problem (I will assume that is what the above poster meant to write). It speaks volumes of them and their education.

It’s definitely more than a football program. This was about race. It’s a race problem.

They weren’t going to allow some Black guy to come into Fairfax County and build a powerhouse of a team that will dominate any other fcps school. Then he had nerve to attract talented players that were Black.

Madison is been representing Fairfax county in the Championship for years and that’s how the good white folks of Fairfax County want it. Try to change that and it’s going to be a problem.

You don’t “attract” talent in HS athletics!!!! 🤦🏼‍♀️ Your team is made up from the students in your boundary for your school (yes I understand there are exceptions for AUTHORIZED attendance at schools outside your zoned school). This entire issue is because he frickin RECRUITED talented players to illegally transfer to Hayfield. This is NOT the NCAA or NFL or some elite club team. It’s HS athletics for gods sake.

People can move. People can move to a school district for any reason they want to, athletics or academics or they like the mascot or colors, it’s a free country. We live in a transient area. If a family is moving in with kids who play sports - they should absolutely consider the best fit for their kids. So yes, programs can attract kids.

They just cannot recruit them.

And anyone who thinks that this is what happened at Hayfield this year is delusional.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:‘I am sorry’: Superintendent works to make amends following uproar over Hayfield football

https://www.ffxnow.com/2024/12/09/i-am-sorry-superintendent-works-to-make-amends-following-uproar-over-hayfield-football/

Are we living in a bubble on this forum?

“ While the Hayfield situation is perhaps the biggest black eye for Virginia’s largest school district in years, school board members in general — even those critical of her performance on this specific issue — appear to remain supportive of Reid’s overall leadership.”

Where is there any evidence to support this? Even Hayfield/Freedom sycophants want her to resign.

Because. If your biggest scandal is a football product in an area that can careless about high school football, heck even College football. Then you are really doing that bad of a job? (kanye shrug)

I am amazed by people who still think this is merely a football problem (I will assume that is what the above poster meant to write). It speaks volumes of them and their education.

It’s definitely more than a football program. This was about race. It’s a race problem.

They weren’t going to allow some Black guy to come into Fairfax County and build a powerhouse of a team that will dominate any other fcps school. Then he had nerve to attract talented players that were Black.

Madison is been representing Fairfax county in the Championship for years and that’s how the good white folks of Fairfax County want it. Try to change that and it’s going to be a problem.

You don’t “attract” talent in HS athletics!!!! 🤦🏼‍♀️ Your team is made up from the students in your boundary for your school (yes I understand there are exceptions for AUTHORIZED attendance at schools outside your zoned school). This entire issue is because he frickin RECRUITED talented players to illegally transfer to Hayfield. This is NOT the NCAA or NFL or some elite club team. It’s HS athletics for gods sake.

People can move. People can move to a school district for any reason they want to, athletics or academics or they like the mascot or colors, it’s a free country. We live in a transient area. If a family is moving in with kids who play sports - they should absolutely consider the best fit for their kids. So yes, programs can attract kids.

They just cannot recruit them.




But, they WERE recruited....fraudulently. And even more evidence will soon come out to prove this. This statement is simply more disingenuous "spin" from the fraudsters.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:D. Overton isn’t going to stay at Hayfield and won’t be hired by any FCPS school. If he’s allowed to stay at HSS, he isn’t going to be putting together “all-star teams” (that’s hire the Freedom-Hayfield kids described it, not me) and he hasn’t shown that he’s capable of making the most of a “community-based” school. He won’t be able to recruit under the microscopic lens he’s earned in both PWCPS & now FCPS. I think the external investigation will lead to meaningful changes that conform to VHSL guidance. The boundary review is going to make it harder for HSS FB & BBB as it will eliminate HSS as an option for military families aboard Fort Belvoir, so they won’t even have access to those kids. He’ll be just like every other coach in the county, making the best unit from the local kids. That’s not his M.O. He’d leave on his own.

If they had anything on Overton, he would have been banned or disciplined. They don’t.

I disagree. From a legal perspective, FCPS can simply refrain from renewing his coaching contract. Non-renewal is a much easier and cleaner way to let him go.

The stickier issue is with the principal. it appears that he has caused some exposure (choosing words carefully) to retaliation claims and if I were FCPS would want the benefit of the external legal review before taking any action.

Typically in investigations in the corporate world cleaning house of various actors is not unusual, fair or not. One way to insulate (to a degree) from retaliation claims is to clean house. FCPS is not a corporation but legal liability is unpleasant to any large entity. It is somewhat understandable that the HSS parents and their kids playing football don't have a full appreciation of this dilemma. But it is a real factor.

I noted with some interest the Apostle's screed against the ending of the Hayfield football season. She attacked a FCPS coach as racist. I assume that this is the reason her screed has been taken down. The Apostle was no doubt informed of the possibility of defamation liability. Not so smart.

One thing about those who support the racial angle are missing. Gaining a college scholarship. particularly in the Power 4, is an incredibly long odds proposition - very long odds. Hayfield has two 3 star players. No certainty at all they will end up playing, particularly the receiver at 5"10 155 lbs. Of course the ACC team will put 20 pounds on him but no one can predict whether he will remain fast enough to play at the Power 4 level. Not a knock on the kid - for all I know he is a nice kid. But D1 football is brutal.

I was a D1 scholarship Power 4 guy years ago. Ditto for my brother. The chances of getting a scholarship in our sport were tiny. In hindsight it was foolish to count on an athletic scholarship, especially since once granted one one had to subordinate academics to athletics. My brother and I, both poor, were Phi Beta Kappa for a reason. It was the only kind of goal that made sense. Otherwise the system works you rather than you making it work for you. The focus should be on improving the academics of all black males, and this won't happen for most through football. The glorification of high school football doesn't help many. Note this comment is from a guy who likes and knows sports.

Change that to athletes

No you are not statistically correct. The academic performance of all black males needs significant improvement. No doubt there are high performers, but overall performance is a material challenge. It strikes me as alarming that Howard - known as the Mecca of black higher education - has 72 percent women and 28 percent men. The problem won’t get better unless it is addressed. Don’t let your bias against athletes get in the way. This is why people like the Apostle thinks football is the best way for social mobility and advancement. It is not.

[Anonymous]

What we have here is a mini culture war among those involved with high school football, but this same thing can happen in other situations where DEI goes wild. On the one hand, there is the "Traditional" view of High School football:
(1) Local guys in the high school (ONLY, with just a few allowable exceptions) turn out for the team.
(2) These are local "student-athletes" so they must keep their grades up or cannot participate.
(3) The local band, cheerleaders, parents, booster club, etc. support the team and vice versa, in the name of "school spirit" of friendly rivalry with the other schools in their district.

Unfortunately, this traditional view, which was universal among high school and colleges at one time, has been severely eroded what with active recruiting, big money from TV deals and recently NIT, as well as legalization of gambling. Fairfax County seems to be one of few bastions of this traditional view, while other districts in the state, private/parochial schools, and colleges have been corrupted to treat the program the same as professional football.

The other view is that of the Football Fanatic:
(1) High school football (as with the pros) should have the goal of gathering the best team for that high school the same way as the pros do by recruiting the best talent possible from ANYWHERE.
(2) Emphasis is strictly on football--academics be damned.
(3) This group completely eschews the traditional view, and demands that their view is the only one.

When DEI gets involved, this allows for the unscrupulous (such as group around Coach Overton) to "groom" an eminently Black (with perhaps few Hispanic) group of students with the lofty goal of making sure that they get football college scholarships---that as minorities they would never have gotten, by any means at the expense of all of the other football players at the school, i.e., completely unfair and unethical. The corruptive grooming starts at an early age with Club football starting at the early age of 8-10. Then there is the monetary corruption with high fees for Club sports, questionable fund-rasing by Boosters at the high school level (The Karen religious nutcase), questionable fees to high school players, and illegal use of school facilities for club sports. In the Hayfield situation the Football Fanatic pardigm (with all its ethical and financial corruption) becomes essentially "Ghetto"

In the Hayfield case the Footbal Fanatics yell racism due to white supremacy of the football program in Fairfax County, but this is NOT true, e.g. the original whistleblower was a black woman and her football player son at Hayfield. The Hayfield fanatics are the racist ones for blaming everything on white supremacy---classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black" (the pun on black is ironic!)

This situation was not "nipped in the bud" by Supt and School Board back in spring 2024 (whistleblower) due to a misplaced concern for "equity" by the Supt. She even stated in August that the internal investigation did not find Hayfield to be doing offensive recruiting nor other violations. I think it was the black asst superintendent that was really responsible for that investigation, with the Supt just rubber-stamping it. However, it was completely obvious by Nov to the VHSL that ethics had been violated when (1) Hayfield "whupped asses" of all other Fairfax teams with lopsided scores, (2) demise of football at Overton's previous Freedom High in Prince William Co, (3) local Hayfield players being replaced by the transfers---hence the ban on playoffs. THe School Board was equally complacent by ignoring the whole thing (in spite of 3 members calling for an external investigation back in August when Supt made her statement). Hayfield parents made last ditch effort with injunction allowing them to play first playoff game. The the final straw (at least made public) was the Fritz scandal.

[Anonymous]

Can someone explain why one of the recruited players has a brother playing basketball for a public school in Arlington while he plays basketball for Hayfield? The parents are not divorced....

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why one of the recruited players has a brother playing basketball for a public school in Arlington while he plays basketball for Hayfield? The parents are not divorced....

Or why apparently Overton's daughter plays basketball for Hayfield, but lives in Woodbridge?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why one of the recruited players has a brother playing basketball for a public school in Arlington while he plays basketball for Hayfield? The parents are not divorced....

Or why apparently Overton's daughter plays basketball for Hayfield, but lives in Woodbridge?

So now there are six families sharing the same address? 👀

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:What we have here is a mini culture war among those involved with high school football, but this same thing can happen in other situations where DEI goes wild. On the one hand, there is the "Traditional" view of High School football:
(1) Local guys in the high school (ONLY, with just a few allowable exceptions) turn out for the team.
(2) These are local "student-athletes" so they must keep their grades up or cannot participate.
(3) The local band, cheerleaders, parents, booster club, etc. support the team and vice versa, in the name of "school spirit" of friendly rivalry with the other schools in their district.

Unfortunately, this traditional view, which was universal among high school and colleges at one time, has been severely eroded what with active recruiting, big money from TV deals and recently NIT, as well as legalization of gambling. Fairfax County seems to be one of few bastions of this traditional view, while other districts in the state, private/parochial schools, and colleges have been corrupted to treat the program the same as professional football.

The other view is that of the Football Fanatic:
(1) High school football (as with the pros) should have the goal of gathering the best team for that high school the same way as the pros do by recruiting the best talent possible from ANYWHERE.
(2) Emphasis is strictly on football--academics be damned.
(3) This group completely eschews the traditional view, and demands that their view is the only one.

When DEI gets involved, this allows for the unscrupulous (such as group around Coach Overton) to "groom" an eminently Black (with perhaps few Hispanic) group of students with the lofty goal of making sure that they get football college scholarships---that as minorities they would never have gotten, by any means at the expense of all of the other football players at the school, i.e., completely unfair and unethical. The corruptive grooming starts at an early age with Club football starting at the early age of 8-10. Then there is the monetary corruption with high fees for Club sports, questionable fund-rasing by Boosters at the high school level (The Karen religious nutcase), questionable fees to high school players, and illegal use of school facilities for club sports. In the Hayfield situation the Football Fanatic pardigm (with all its ethical and financial corruption) becomes essentially "Ghetto"

In the Hayfield case the Footbal Fanatics yell racism due to white supremacy of the football program in Fairfax County, but this is NOT true, e.g. the original whistleblower was a black woman and her football player son at Hayfield. The Hayfield fanatics are the racist ones for blaming everything on white supremacy---classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black" (the pun on black is ironic!)

This situation was not "nipped in the bud" by Supt and School Board back in spring 2024 (whistleblower) due to a misplaced concern for "equity" by the Supt. She even stated in August that the internal investigation did not find Hayfield to be doing offensive recruiting nor other violations. I think it was the black asst superintendent that was really responsible for that investigation, with the Supt just rubber-stamping it. However, it was completely obvious by Nov to the VHSL that ethics had been violated when (1) Hayfield "whupped asses" of all other Fairfax teams with lopsided scores, (2) demise of football at Overton's previous Freedom High in Prince William Co, (3) local Hayfield players being replaced by the transfers---hence the ban on playoffs. THe School Board was equally complacent by ignoring the whole thing (in spite of 3 members calling for an external investigation back in August when Supt made her statement). Hayfield parents made last ditch effort with injunction allowing them to play first playoff game. The the final straw (at least made public) was the Fritz scandal.

Typical white supremacist jargon above. Stick a Black face on it, pretend she was the one responsible, and claim it can’t be racism.

The Black woman they are talking about had no power to do this. We’ve heard about other coaches organizing, complaining, and making racist statements about Hayfield. Parents at Madison, Lake Braddock, west Springfield, Chantilly, and etc were upset and complaining after getting blown out.

Then there is this racist and ambitious LBGTB school board member has jumped on the story to gain political momentum at the expense of the Hayfield students. We have VHSL representatives from historically racist areas that barred Hayfield. There is racism all over this story.

I do think Reid made the right decision to withdraw Hayfield because it’s just gotten to be too much. Especially with the text messages. The outsiders just wouldn’t let the kids play. But it’s disingenuous to pretend some disgruntled Black parent is the one who shut the Hayfield football program down this season.

[Anonymous]

Clearly you are one of the Football Fanatics. That disgruntled Black parent was simply the tip of the iceberg on the major corruption of the football program at Hayfield. You are incapable (as I said in point (3) of describing the Football Fanatic) of understanding the VHSL concept of "no recruiting" which is the mainstay of fair play. How can anyone honor the program at Hayfield where this year's team unfairly "whups asses" of all other teams they played. At my first introduction to this scandal I was skeptical, but when I saw from team rosters that at least 9 players from Freedom High from 2023 were on the 2024 Hayfield roster I knew there was some major scandal!

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:What we have here is a mini culture war among those involved with high school football, but this same thing can happen in other situations where DEI goes wild. On the one hand, there is the "Traditional" view of High School football:
(1) Local guys in the high school (ONLY, with just a few allowable exceptions) turn out for the team.
(2) These are local "student-athletes" so they must keep their grades up or cannot participate.
(3) The local band, cheerleaders, parents, booster club, etc. support the team and vice versa, in the name of "school spirit" of friendly rivalry with the other schools in their district.

Unfortunately, this traditional view, which was universal among high school and colleges at one time, has been severely eroded what with active recruiting, big money from TV deals and recently NIT, as well as legalization of gambling. Fairfax County seems to be one of few bastions of this traditional view, while other districts in the state, private/parochial schools, and colleges have been corrupted to treat the program the same as professional football.

The other view is that of the Football Fanatic:
(1) High school football (as with the pros) should have the goal of gathering the best team for that high school the same way as the pros do by recruiting the best talent possible from ANYWHERE.
(2) Emphasis is strictly on football--academics be damned.
(3) This group completely eschews the traditional view, and demands that their view is the only one.

When DEI gets involved, this allows for the unscrupulous (such as group around Coach Overton) to "groom" an eminently Black (with perhaps few Hispanic) group of students with the lofty goal of making sure that they get football college scholarships---that as minorities they would never have gotten, by any means at the expense of all of the other football players at the school, i.e., completely unfair and unethical. The corruptive grooming starts at an early age with Club football starting at the early age of 8-10. Then there is the monetary corruption with high fees for Club sports, questionable fund-rasing by Boosters at the high school level (The Karen religious nutcase), questionable fees to high school players, and illegal use of school facilities for club sports. In the Hayfield situation the Football Fanatic pardigm (with all its ethical and financial corruption) becomes essentially "Ghetto"

In the Hayfield case the Footbal Fanatics yell racism due to white supremacy of the football program in Fairfax County, but this is NOT true, e.g. the original whistleblower was a black woman and her football player son at Hayfield. The Hayfield fanatics are the racist ones for blaming everything on white supremacy---classic case of the "pot calling the kettle black" (the pun on black is ironic!)

This situation was not "nipped in the bud" by Supt and School Board back in spring 2024 (whistleblower) due to a misplaced concern for "equity" by the Supt. She even stated in August that the internal investigation did not find Hayfield to be doing offensive recruiting nor other violations. I think it was the black asst superintendent that was really responsible for that investigation, with the Supt just rubber-stamping it. However, it was completely obvious by Nov to the VHSL that ethics had been violated when (1) Hayfield "whupped asses" of all other Fairfax teams with lopsided scores, (2) demise of football at Overton's previous Freedom High in Prince William Co, (3) local Hayfield players being replaced by the transfers---hence the ban on playoffs. THe School Board was equally complacent by ignoring the whole thing (in spite of 3 members calling for an external investigation back in August when Supt made her statement). Hayfield parents made last ditch effort with injunction allowing them to play first playoff game. The the final straw (at least made public) was the Fritz scandal.

Typical white supremacist jargon above. Stick a Black face on it, pretend she was the one responsible, and claim it can’t be racism.

The Black woman they are talking about had no power to do this. We’ve heard about other coaches organizing, complaining, and making racist statements about Hayfield. Parents at Madison, Lake Braddock, west Springfield, Chantilly, and etc were upset and complaining after getting blown out.

Then there is this racist and ambitious LBGTB school board member has jumped on the story to gain political momentum at the expense of the Hayfield students. We have VHSL representatives from historically racist areas that barred Hayfield. There is racism all over this story.

I do think Reid made the right decision to withdraw Hayfield because it’s just gotten to be too much. Especially with the text messages. The outsiders just wouldn’t let the kids play. But it’s disingenuous to pretend some disgruntled Black parent is the one who shut the Hayfield football program down this season.

LBGTB…😂🤣😂

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why one of the recruited players has a brother playing basketball for a public school in Arlington while he plays basketball for Hayfield? The parents are not divorced....

Or why apparently Overton's daughter plays basketball for Hayfield, but lives in Woodbridge?

Well, surely he is paying Fairfax County tuition, right?

[Anonymous]

Why are any of the recruited players being allowed to play basketball? They shouldn't be participatijg in any vhsl activity.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Can someone explain why one of the recruited players has a brother playing basketball for a public school in Arlington while he plays basketball for Hayfield? The parents are not divorced....

Or why apparently Overton's daughter plays basketball for Hayfield, but lives in Woodbridge?

Well, surely he is paying Fairfax County tuition, right?

She doesn’t live in Woodbridge anymore.