Wuhan virus (coronavirus) arrives in the USA

[Anonymous]

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This looks like a general weekly CDC newsletter and not COVID-19 specific.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Main symptom is a fever - this is NOT an upper respiratory disease.

Aylward describes symptom profile of COVID19: 88% with fever, 68% with dry cough, only 4% with runny nose

So just like all of the other bugs going around right now.

Except if you have a sore throat and/or runny nose, you almost certainly don't have COVID. That's helpful.

Or maybe you do.

https://www.who.int/news-room/q-a-detail/q-a-coronaviruses

"What are the symptoms of COVID-19?
The most common symptoms of COVID-19 are fever, tiredness, and dry cough. Some patients may have aches and pains, nasal congestion, runny nose, sore throat or diarrhea. These symptoms are usually mild and begin gradually."

Dr. Ayelward just said only 4% have a runny nose and 90% have fever. You're going to have to use statistics like this to help make decisions, otherwise nothing will get accomplished.

You have a runny nose or sore throat with no or low fever? Don't go running to the ER thinking you have COVID.

It's not here now, but it will be and people need to be educated for when it does get here. Our government is doing nothing to educate and prepare us, so do it for yourself.

Right. That's why I provided a link to symptoms on the WHO website.

So maybe PP shouldn't say "except if you have a sore throat and/or runny nose, you almost certainly don't have COVID" - that is false and misleading.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:I think the US has just given up on preventing it from coming here. You basically hear nothing about it. My kid who’s now riding the bus with kids who just returned from Vietnam goes to scouts, karate, and indoor soccer. It would spread like wildfire. I feel let down by our governments response.

That’s because you don’t actually know anything.

My office is in weekly calls with CDC and the state health department. There are weekly calls with all providers in county in most updated protocols. If you’re expecting large travel bans and discrimination from people who have traveled to Asian countries where the virus is not widespread, well yea you’re going to be let down because that is not backed by data.

This is an unspeakably arrogant response and is symptomatic of why there is so much criticism online about the CDC.

Your response to a member of the public is you are ignorant and we the cognescenti know everything there is to know so trust us even if we tell you nothing.

Oh, and by the way, we are not telling the public anything because all they want are travel bans and roundups of Asians. Could you be more contempuous of the public you are supposed to serve?

What those handling this fail to recognize is that successful containment of any spread relies crucially on the cooperation of the public, and they will give it only if authorities have given the public reason to have trust and confidence in them. So far US authorities have done nothing to foster such trust and confidence; quite the contrary, it is as if they have gone out of their way through dismissiveness to do the opposite.

Please take a hard look at Singapore's Ministry of health transparency and CNA's impressive infographics based on that transparency to see how authorities who consider themselves accountable to the public act. CDC's truly pathetic website does not even list cases by states or announce new cases. No information on travel restrictions either--at least one that is easy to find.

The Italians were caught by surprise, an initial misstep, but they have since more than redeemed themselves in terms of public transparency. I have less access to South Korean public information, but it seems they also are doing a good job of informing the public.

[Anonymous]

CDC just issued policies including school tele-learning, telework focus, cancelling large gathering.

Better get your TP asap (though if the water is off, not sure how great that is?)

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CDC just issued policies including school tele-learning, telework focus, cancelling large gathering.

Better get your TP asap (though if the water is off, not sure how great that is?)

Huh? Where are you seeing that?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CDC just issued policies including school tele-learning, telework focus, cancelling large gathering.

Better get your TP asap (though if the water is off, not sure how great that is?)

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/asia_pacific/coronavirus-china-live-updates/2020/02/25/f4045570-5758-11ea-9000-f3cffee23036_story.html

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CDC just issued policies including school tele-learning, telework focus, cancelling large gathering.

Better get your TP asap (though if the water is off, not sure how great that is?)

Huh? Where are you seeing that?

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html?__twitter_impression=true

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the US has just given up on preventing it from coming here. You basically hear nothing about it. My kid who’s now riding the bus with kids who just returned from Vietnam goes to scouts, karate, and indoor soccer. It would spread like wildfire. I feel let down by our governments response.

That’s because you don’t actually know anything.

My office is in weekly calls with CDC and the state health department. There are weekly calls with all providers in county in most updated protocols. If you’re expecting large travel bans and discrimination from people who have traveled to Asian countries where the virus is not widespread, well yea you’re going to be let down because that is not backed by data.

This is an unspeakably arrogant response and is symptomatic of why there is so much criticism online about the CDC.

Your response to a member of the public is you are ignorant and we the cognescenti know everything there is to know so trust us even if we tell you nothing.

Oh, and by the way, we are not telling the public anything because all they want are travel bans and roundups of Asians. Could you be more contempuous of the public you are supposed to serve?

What those handling this fail to recognize is that successful containment of any spread relies crucially on the cooperation of the public, and they will give it only if authorities have given the public reason to have trust and confidence in them. So far US authorities have done nothing to foster such trust and confidence; quite the contrary, it is as if they have gone out of their way through dismissiveness to do the opposite.

Please take a hard look at Singapore's Ministry of health transparency and CNA's impressive infographics based on that transparency to see how authorities who consider themselves accountable to the public act. CDC's truly pathetic website does not even list cases by states or announce new cases. No information on travel restrictions either--at least one that is easy to find.

The Italians were caught by surprise, an initial misstep, but they have since more than redeemed themselves in terms of public transparency. I have less access to South Korean public information, but it seems they also are doing a good job of informing the public.

I'm not in public health, but other than a pretty website, what more do you want at this stage? We don't have any native cases here--everyone who's sick so far has come from the initial Hubei evac or the diamond princess. We are not in the same place as any of the countries you mention.

Do I have confidence that we will have good systems in place once we start to have infections here? Caving to Alabama was a bad move; containment required us to to identify places to put infected people who aren't sick enough to go to the hospital. That ship seems to have sailed since DOD (correctly) doesn't want infected citizens on its bases and the states have reserved the right to block FEMA from using its own empty facilities.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:CDC just issued policies including school tele-learning, telework focus, cancelling large gathering.

Better get your TP asap (though if the water is off, not sure how great that is?)

These are POSSIBLE recommendations IF we had a pandemic. Jesus, you guys have a hard time separating actual news from hypotheticals.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CDC just issued policies including school tele-learning, telework focus, cancelling large gathering.

Better get your TP asap (though if the water is off, not sure how great that is?)

Huh? Where are you seeing that?

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html?__twitter_impression=true

Those are RECOMMENDATIONS IF this becomes a pandemic in the USA, not POLICIES to be enacted now.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think the US has just given up on preventing it from coming here. You basically hear nothing about it. My kid who’s now riding the bus with kids who just returned from Vietnam goes to scouts, karate, and indoor soccer. It would spread like wildfire. I feel let down by our governments response.

That’s because you don’t actually know anything.

My office is in weekly calls with CDC and the state health department. There are weekly calls with all providers in county in most updated protocols. If you’re expecting large travel bans and discrimination from people who have traveled to Asian countries where the virus is not widespread, well yea you’re going to be let down because that is not backed by data.

This is an unspeakably arrogant response and is symptomatic of why there is so much criticism online about the CDC.

Your response to a member of the public is you are ignorant and we the cognescenti know everything there is to know so trust us even if we tell you nothing.

Oh, and by the way, we are not telling the public anything because all they want are travel bans and roundups of Asians. Could you be more contempuous of the public you are supposed to serve?

What those handling this fail to recognize is that successful containment of any spread relies crucially on the cooperation of the public, and they will give it only if authorities have given the public reason to have trust and confidence in them. So far US authorities have done nothing to foster such trust and confidence; quite the contrary, it is as if they have gone out of their way through dismissiveness to do the opposite.

Please take a hard look at Singapore's Ministry of health transparency and CNA's impressive infographics based on that transparency to see how authorities who consider themselves accountable to the public act. CDC's truly pathetic website does not even list cases by states or announce new cases. No information on travel restrictions either--at least one that is easy to find.

The Italians were caught by surprise, an initial misstep, but they have since more than redeemed themselves in terms of public transparency. I have less access to South Korean public information, but it seems they also are doing a good job of informing the public.

DP. There's not much trust in officials in this country, for no particular reason. Trust has been deteriorating steadily for decades. This isn't because of actions or inactions by the CDC (there have been some belatedly-revealed missteps by the CDC but that's not what you're concerned with). It's just how our country is, right now, interested in fake news and fake science and disinterested in real news or real science.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:CDC just issued policies including school tele-learning, telework focus, cancelling large gathering.

Better get your TP asap (though if the water is off, not sure how great that is?)

Huh? Where are you seeing that?

https://www.cnbc.com/amp/2020/02/25/cdc-outlines-what-closing-schools-businesses-would-look-like-in-us-pandemic.html?__twitter_impression=true

Those are RECOMMENDATIONS IF this becomes a pandemic in the USA, not POLICIES to be enacted now.

From NYTIMES

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/02/25/world/asia/coronavirus-news.html

For the U.S., it’s not if but when, federal officials say.

[Anonymous]

Four more American Diamond Princess passengers test positive.

Two new cases in France--little information yet but will be interesting if they are from northern italian contact.

[Anonymous]

How do you know we have no native cases?

We aren’t testing here for community spread.

In order to qualify for one of the very few tests the CDC will do or health depts will do, the criteria are to have contact with recent travel to Wuhan.

So how do we know we don’t have cases coming from other places?

Italy didn’t know they had native cases until they started testing. Now they are testing thousands and finding many.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:How do you know we have no native cases?

We aren’t testing here for community spread.

In order to qualify for one of the very few tests the CDC will do or health depts will do, the criteria are to have contact with recent travel to Wuhan.

So how do we know we don’t have cases coming from other places?

Italy didn’t know they had native cases until they started testing. Now they are testing thousands and finding many.

Exactly.

The CDC leadership needs to be fired, among other things.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/25/cdc-coronavirus-test/