FCPS comprehensive boundary review

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

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Also, the only place for Chantilly kids to is Oakton really. They could take kids out of Chantilly by zoning Oak Hill ES entirely to Herndon. Would reduce overcrowding.

They have a lot of ways to mess with people.

I hope that none of this true, this very well could all be one big nothingburger. A good school board would build a new western HS and conduct logical rezonings such as eliminating the split-feeder system ENTIRELY. Then adding AAP centers to EVERY middle school and eliminating AAP center schools by adding local level IV to all elementary schools.

Keep EXISTING communities together by eliminating ALL attendance islands as well. FCPS can be run much more efficiently than it is now.

Unfortunately, our dear school board has consistently shown the county that they do not have the remote incentive to operate efficiently of effectively. Sad.


So move kids from a school that is 2.5 miles away to a school that is 8.5 miles away?

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Also, the only place for Chantilly kids to is Oakton really. They could take kids out of Chantilly by zoning Oak Hill ES entirely to Herndon. Would reduce overcrowding.

They have a lot of ways to mess with people.

I hope that none of this true, this very well could all be one big nothingburger. A good school board would build a new western HS and conduct logical rezonings such as eliminating the split-feeder system ENTIRELY. Then adding AAP centers to EVERY middle school and eliminating AAP center schools by adding local level IV to all elementary schools.

Keep EXISTING communities together by eliminating ALL attendance islands as well. FCPS can be run much more efficiently than it is now.

Unfortunately, our dear school board has consistently shown the county that they do not have the remote incentive to operate efficiently of effectively. Sad.


So move kids from a school that is 2.5 miles away to a school that is 8.5 miles away?

This would be Robyn Lady's dream.

By the way, Oak Hill kids would have to pass Floris (literally) and the boundaries of Coates and McNair in order to get to Herndon boundary outer reach. None of those schools go to Herndon.

Oak Hill has been in Chantilly boundary since it opened--around 40 years ago.

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Also, the only place for Chantilly kids to is Oakton really. They could take kids out of Chantilly by zoning Oak Hill ES entirely to Herndon. Would reduce overcrowding.

They have a lot of ways to mess with people.

I hope that none of this true, this very well could all be one big nothingburger. A good school board would build a new western HS and conduct logical rezonings such as eliminating the split-feeder system ENTIRELY. Then adding AAP centers to EVERY middle school and eliminating AAP center schools by adding local level IV to all elementary schools.

Keep EXISTING communities together by eliminating ALL attendance islands as well. FCPS can be run much more efficiently than it is now.

Unfortunately, our dear school board has consistently shown the county that they do not have the remote incentive to operate efficiently of effectively. Sad.


So move kids from a school that is 2.5 miles away to a school that is 8.5 miles away?

This would be Robyn Lady's dream.

By the way, Oak Hill kids would have to pass Floris (literally) and the boundaries of Coates and McNair in order to get to Herndon boundary outer reach. None of those schools go to Herndon.

Oak Hill has been in Chantilly boundary since it opened--around 40 years ago.

PP. Just occurred to me. This would create a new attendance island.

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No one really knows what will come of this. The only thing we can expect based on other School Board decisions and plans is that a lot of it will be infuriating and make little sense.

They always take care of each other, but they do not give a crap about parents and kids. Things really are at a point where it would be best if FCPS was defunded with the money given directly to parents. They can’t be trusted at all.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

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Anonymous wrote:That list isn't claiming to be complete at all. They listed the most significant changes. Also the reason it is mostly focused on the eastern end of the county is because that's where the crappy schools are located.

Also people seem to be missing the fact that Forestville is out of Langley and may move to the Herndon pyramid.

Lady, that one has been talked about for at least 10 years. GOOD, it should go to Herndon based on where it's located.

Anyone who bought in that boundary thinking they'd stay at Langley even before the comprehensive review was announced is a dumb SAHM married to a rich lawyer who doesn't give a crap about his children. Amirite?

I'm skeptical this will happen. It would leave Langley, renovated and expanded just a few years ago, with only four feeders: Churchill Road, Colvin Run, Great Falls, and Spring Hill.

I could see reassigning part of Forestville (on the other side of Route 7) to other schools in Herndon and Reston, and leaving Forestville in the Langley pyramid. Other schools have far more than four ES feeders.

According to CIap Herndon MS is at 91% this school year with 905 students. Capacity is 993. If you moved all of forestville it would put them well over capacity. Even if you assume some go to Hughes for the AAP center Hughes is at 99% now projected to be at 107%. Where are you fitting these students?

Are you brain dead? The post to which you're responding specifically suggests that only a small number of Forestville students on the other side of Route 7 might be moved into another pyramid, and that the rest of Forestville would remain at Langley.

Sorry i meant to reply to the leaked list of moves where they said forestville will shift entirely to HMS/HHS.

Why be so polite to someone who was so rude to you?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

So you're contending that reassigning the Exchange at Spring Hill from Marshall to Langley wouldn't have much impact on Langley, yet adding any low-income housing to Langley would diminish the school and drive Langley families to privates? Racist much?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

So you're contending that reassigning the Exchange at Spring Hill from Marshall to Langley wouldn't have much impact on Langley, yet adding any low-income housing to Langley would diminish the school and drive Langley families to privates? Racist much?

Believe whatever the F you want. You’re trying to equalize farms across the schools in an effort to make them all equal. This is your version of utopia, not mine.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

Is the “historic formula” based on low income supported housing or general run of the mill market based housing?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

So you're contending that reassigning the Exchange at Spring Hill from Marshall to Langley wouldn't have much impact on Langley, yet adding any low-income housing to Langley would diminish the school and drive Langley families to privates? Racist much?

Believe whatever the F you want. You’re trying to equalize farms across the schools in an effort to make them all equal. This is your version of utopia, not mine.

No one thinks some of these modest adjustments will equalize FARMS rates across the county.

However, if every all-affordable housing complex in the Tysons area gets assigned to Marshall, and none to Langley, Marshall will soon hit 30% FARMS while Langley remains at 4%. Why did we bother expanding Langley more than Marshall got expanded during its renovation if Langley wasn't going to take on some of these kids?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.