FCPS comprehensive boundary review

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Looking forward to those rentals in the high farms areas being snatched up by displaced families. Housing crisis be damned.

If you kept up with the thread, you’d know it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

Anyone who looks at the map can see the absurdity in people claiming that the Reston/Herndon schools would be an easier commute to Langley.

And I keep hearing distance is inequitable for poor kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

Anyone who looks at the map can see the absurdity in people claiming that the Reston/Herndon schools would be an easier commute to Langley.

And I keep hearing distance is inequitable for poor kids.

There are kids who live in Herndon and Reston getting bussed to Langley now. And others who attend other schools live closer to Langley than some kids in Great Falls attending Langley.

They'll do what they want with the boundaries, sorry.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

Anyone who looks at the map can see the absurdity in people claiming that the Reston/Herndon schools would be an easier commute to Langley.

And I keep hearing distance is inequitable for poor kids.

Big difference: current Langley families want to stay there--don't care about the distance.
Send Forest Edge kids there; likely want to stay at South Lakes.
Wealthier kids missed the bus? Family will take them to school
Poor kids miss the bus? Kid stays home because parent is likely at work and may not have transportation, but South Lakes is less than four miles--while Langley is 12 miles.

Parent conference: lots easier to get to SouthLakes than Langley.
After school activities: see above.

I taught in a TItle I school: distance matters

The Reston Connector is also an option if the kid misses the bus.

[Anonymous]

Centre Ridge ES will be rezoned from CVHS to Westfield, WHS capacity is over 3,100. They can send them there.

Also, the only place for Chantilly kids to is Oakton really. They could take kids out of Chantilly by zoning Oak Hill ES entirely to Herndon. Would reduce overcrowding.

They have a lot of ways to mess with people.

I hope that none of this true, this very well could all be one big nothingburger. A good school board would build a new western HS and conduct logical rezonings such as eliminating the split-feeder system ENTIRELY. Then adding AAP centers to EVERY middle school and eliminating AAP center schools by adding local level IV to all elementary schools.

Keep EXISTING communities together by eliminating ALL attendance islands as well. FCPS can be run much more efficiently than it is now.

Unfortunately, our dear school board has consistently shown the county that they do not have the remote incentive to operate efficiently of effectively. Sad.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Centre Ridge ES will be rezoned from CVHS to Westfield, WHS capacity is over 3,100. They can send them there.

Also, the only place for Chantilly kids to is Oakton really. They could take kids out of Chantilly by zoning Oak Hill ES entirely to Herndon. Would reduce overcrowding.

They have a lot of ways to mess with people.

I hope that none of this true, this very well could all be one big nothingburger. A good school board would build a new western HS and conduct logical rezonings such as eliminating the split-feeder system ENTIRELY. Then adding AAP centers to EVERY middle school and eliminating AAP center schools by adding local level IV to all elementary schools.

Keep EXISTING communities together by eliminating ALL attendance islands as well. FCPS can be run much more efficiently than it is now.

Unfortunately, our dear school board has consistently shown the county that they do not have the remote incentive to operate efficiently of effectively. Sad.

A HS over 2800 students is far above what the SB claims is acceptable. I don't think any HS should be that large. Why would they move a school out of Centreville to Westfield when Westfield already has hundreds more students than Centreville and Centreville is getting a high end renovation? CRES is much closer to CVHS. This suggestion is so illogical, someone must have the school names mixed up.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Centre Ridge ES will be rezoned from CVHS to Westfield, WHS capacity is over 3,100. They can send them there.

Also, the only place for Chantilly kids to is Oakton really. They could take kids out of Chantilly by zoning Oak Hill ES entirely to Herndon. Would reduce overcrowding.

They have a lot of ways to mess with people.

I hope that none of this true, this very well could all be one big nothingburger. A good school board would build a new western HS and conduct logical rezonings such as eliminating the split-feeder system ENTIRELY. Then adding AAP centers to EVERY middle school and eliminating AAP center schools by adding local level IV to all elementary schools.

Keep EXISTING communities together by eliminating ALL attendance islands as well. FCPS can be run much more efficiently than it is now.

Unfortunately, our dear school board has consistently shown the county that they do not have the remote incentive to operate efficiently of effectively. Sad.

So move kids from a school that is 2.5 miles away to a school that is 8.5 miles away?

Westfield would be closer than Herndon.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:We live within walking distance to lake Braddock…I hope the Ravensworth es info is wrong.

Hi neighbor! I posted the same thing a little earlier. I hope they leave us alone.

If you're walking distance to LBSS, I'm guessing you're in Signal Hill, not Ravensworth Farm. I wouldn't be surprised if they take the Signal Hill attendance Island and move it to another school that stays in LB while they move the rest of Ravensworth to another high-school.

Hopefully you’re correct

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

[Anonymous]

I’ll remind folks on this forum who oppose these changes that the best thing you can do is reach out to your school board representatives (one specific to your region and the three at large menders) to express your opinion.

Worth reminding most of them that it is political career suicide and a poison pill for the Democratic Party.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I’ll remind folks on this forum who oppose these changes that the best thing you can do is reach out to your school board representatives (one specific to your region and the three at large menders) to express your opinion.

Worth reminding most of them that it is political career suicide and a poison pill for the Democratic Party.

I find it very difficult to buy into this performance of a listening process. The overriding message they are getting from the meetings when you drill down is to leave it alone. But there is no actual dialogue going on. The community talks and the SB sits there. If the SB disagrees, they are keeping their powder dry. The SB is not making their case for a different world order because they don't have to. When this performance is complete, they'll do whatever they wanted to do from the start. Their action will be nonnegotiable, and that will be that. This SB deserves the poison pill. I hope it wakes people up enough to vote them out and find a school board that is interested in spending their time educating rather than virtue signaling.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.