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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

Is the “historic formula” based on low income supported housing or general run of the mill market based housing?

Someone should correct me if they've updated the approach, but in the past they had a single yield formula for multi-story apartments, and then separate yield formulas for low-rise apartments, townhouses, and single-family homes. They've talked about having a more granular approach with different yield formulas in different parts of the county, or even at the pyramid level, but I don't know if they ever followed up.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.

All the more reason, if true, to reassign the complex from Marshall to Langley.

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Also, the only place for Chantilly kids to is Oakton really. They could take kids out of Chantilly by zoning Oak Hill ES entirely to Herndon. Would reduce overcrowding.

They have a lot of ways to mess with people.

I hope that none of this true, this very well could all be one big nothingburger. A good school board would build a new western HS and conduct logical rezonings such as eliminating the split-feeder system ENTIRELY. Then adding AAP centers to EVERY middle school and eliminating AAP center schools by adding local level IV to all elementary schools.

Keep EXISTING communities together by eliminating ALL attendance islands as well. FCPS can be run much more efficiently than it is now.

Unfortunately, our dear school board has consistently shown the county that they do not have the remote incentive to operate efficiently of effectively. Sad.


So move kids from a school that is 2.5 miles away to a school that is 8.5 miles away?

This would be Robyn Lady's dream.

By the way, Oak Hill kids would have to pass Floris (literally) and the boundaries of Coates and McNair in order to get to Herndon boundary outer reach. None of those schools go to Herndon.

Oak Hill has been in Chantilly boundary since it opened--around 40 years ago.

Coates boundary process has maps including SPAs-school planning areas. https://www.fcps.edu/about-fcps/maps/boundary-adjustments-information/coates-elementary-school-boundary-study
under 2025 are the maps https://www.fcps.edu/sites/default/files/Coates-Area-Boundary-Maps.pdf

Oak Hill is in the Coates boundary process which extends to Lake Anne in Reston. SPA map lists some SPA Forestville, Colvin Run, Forest Edge which are among those excluded from this process:
SPA 502- Holly Knoll- accesible via Route 7. North of Route 7 and west of Georgetown Pike intersection. Dranesville?
SPA 508- Herndon non town. Dranesville comprehensive review?
SPA 1111
SPA 1201- odd since it mixes 1 where you can not drive on 7 to get to a school and 1 that does.
SPA 1809-Forest Edge has a road that connects to SPA 1806 Colvin Run - no Route 7 drive to school if changed.
SPA 1209-need to drive on Route 7- currently longer to go to Colvin Run/Langley - shorter on 7 and less drive time to Forest Edge.

Hunters Woods is included in the Coates boundary preocess. Unlike Bailey's it gets huge out of boundary for the magnet. Bailey's is basically NOT a magnet [low transfer] so look at it as just more $$$ for 1 site. FCPS magnet grant $ gone so is it fair to load all that money into 2 sites?

Frankly Langley pyramid should be one of the simplest for Thru since it borders other jurisdictions and over capacity Mclean. As it is today Herndon HS has additional capacity and Herndon MS could handle more. But they are mismatched leaving space for an academy at Herndon HS. SPA + pyramids excluded from Coates could mean FCPS plans on taking the KISS method on the comprehensive - just pick up Forestville as it exists and move it?

And Chantilly. The CIP does not provide breakdowns on square footage used for any or per academy. In or out of boundary per academy class.

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The Coates boundary review is on an accelerated timetable distinct from the county-wide study. Schools that are excluded from the scope of the Coates study, such as Forestville, Colvin Run, and Forest Edge, may nevertheless be affected by the county-wide review.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

So you're contending that reassigning the Exchange at Spring Hill from Marshall to Langley wouldn't have much impact on Langley, yet adding any low-income housing to Langley would diminish the school and drive Langley families to privates? Racist much?

Previous post didn’t mention race at all, not sure how you jumped to your “racist” conclusion.

Are you saying that only minorities are poor? Just trying to understand your mindset here.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

So you're contending that reassigning the Exchange at Spring Hill from Marshall to Langley wouldn't have much impact on Langley, yet adding any low-income housing to Langley would diminish the school and drive Langley families to privates? Racist much?

Previous post didn’t mention race at all, not sure how you jumped to your “racist” conclusion.

Are you saying that only minorities are poor? Just trying to understand your mindset here.

The low-income population in Fairfax skews heavily minority. You surely know that.

But substitute "classist" if it makes you feel better.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.

Cool. Now do TRG, HTOC, 555 Herndon Parkway, and Fairbrook. Or do we only want to count housing developments when it suits an agenda?

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Yes I understand that. The Coates review maps simply give the public access to see SPA s. One is odd since it combines 2 areas with distinctly different driving - Do results or schools in the Coates process get removed from the comprehensive review? For example Dranesville will have hundreds more capacity with est completion date winter 2026. Current Enrollment: 588 students
• Proposed Design Capacity: 1000 students

Hunters Woods?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

So you're contending that reassigning the Exchange at Spring Hill from Marshall to Langley wouldn't have much impact on Langley, yet adding any low-income housing to Langley would diminish the school and drive Langley families to privates? Racist much?

Previous post didn’t mention race at all, not sure how you jumped to your “racist” conclusion.

Are you saying that only minorities are poor? Just trying to understand your mindset here.

The low-income population in Fairfax skews heavily minority. You surely know that.

But substitute "classist" if it makes you feel better.

Sure, but then we get to call you the racist for conflating the two and stereotyping low income housing as primarily minority.

Work for you?

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

How do you get 60 kids in total?

DP. It's two buildings with 516 planned units currently zoned to Marshall. Using the historical yield formula, that would be about 14-15 more HS kids. It would be closer to 60 for the entire pyramid (ES, MS, and HS). The yield could always turn out to be higher.

There will be 98 three bedroom apartments and over 200 two bedroom apartments. Those will yield more than 60 students.

Cool. Now do TRG, HTOC, 555 Herndon Parkway, and Fairbrook. Or do we only want to count housing developments when it suits an agenda?

DP, but they've broken ground at the Exchange at Spring Hill and at Somos (two all-affordable housing complexes currently zoned to Marshall). You're referring to a bunch of plans that, in some cases, may never come to fruition or may not come to fruition for years.

It really won't tank Langley if the Exchange, which is near areas on the other side of the Toll Road already zoned to Langley, were reassigned there.

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The main problem seems to be a mismatch between where the high schools are located and where people live.

Too bad the SB couldn't be bothered to build that western HS ten years ago.

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Anonymous wrote:Chantilly: 22% Farms

Centreville: 36% Farms

Westfield: 36% Farms

Herndon: 55% farms

Fairfax HS: 40% Farms

Oakton is only 16%. Langley is only 4%. Ridiculous.

South Lakes: 35% Farms

How is it ridiculous? Should schools all have equal Farms rates? Certain towns/areas have low housing costs. Certain towns/areas have much higher housing costs. The houses near Langley all cost a fortune. The only way to increase the Farms rate would be to bus in kids from other parts of county with the sole purpose of adding poverty to the school. I checked out Zillow. There is one 3 bedroom condo for sale in McLean for $705,000 (nothing lower than this, I also don’t think FARMS families can afford $705k for a house). that is on the border of Langley/McLean High School. There aren’t even any low cost houses in McLean that you could redistrict to Langley to increase the FARMS rate.

This is a lie, and if you'd kept up with the thread you'd know it.

If they want they could absolutely adjust the Langley boundaries to add more diversity and still end up with kids having shorter commutes than the kids in expensive, single-family homes at Forestville getting bussed to Langley. It would mean moving parts of Tysons and Reston to Langley and parts of Great Falls to other pyramids.

Whether they should do that is a different question from whether they could do so.

Moving kids from Reston to Langley would
Make their commute just as long as most
Of the forestville kids. And would be significantly farther than their commute to south lakes. You’d just be trading who is doing the commute to balance farms rates.

Disagree. They would live closer to Langley than most of the Forestville kids.

Whether that juice is worth the squeeze is a fair question, but it's a move they could justify on a basis other than simply "balancing FARMS rates."

Exactly what area are you looking at? Aldrin is 12 miles from Langley, Forest edge 12 miles, lake Anne 13 miles, Armstrong 15 miles…

You don’t have to go that far to find lower income students closer to Langley. Tysons is much closer and The Exchange is very close to the current Langley border. I think that the outer edge of Langley/Herndon border will escape this round, but in 5 years, when the exchange is up and running - there will be more pressure to move it.

The only way they’ll significantly impact farms at langley is if they move low income housing into the school. Otherwise, people with means can just rent those units for the address and call it a day.

The Exchange is low income housing.

I know. Would have to be much more to move the needle.

It will have over 500 apartments. That will move the needle a bit.

Ok, like 60 kids in total, about five per grade. Technically it would move the needle a bit, but they’d have to do much more and zone it to Langley to really alter the school.

And long term, all we’re talking about is diminishing a high performing school in a way that’ll send more kids to private.

So you're contending that reassigning the Exchange at Spring Hill from Marshall to Langley wouldn't have much impact on Langley, yet adding any low-income housing to Langley would diminish the school and drive Langley families to privates? Racist much?

Previous post didn’t mention race at all, not sure how you jumped to your “racist” conclusion.

Are you saying that only minorities are poor? Just trying to understand your mindset here.

The low-income population in Fairfax skews heavily minority. You surely know that.

But substitute "classist" if it makes you feel better.

Sure, but then we get to call you the racist for conflating the two and stereotyping low income housing as primarily minority.

Work for you?

Call me whatever you want; it's your aversion to facts and desire to keep Langley free of apartments and lower-income residents that stands out.

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Anonymous wrote:The main problem seems to be a mismatch between where the high schools are located and where people live.

Too bad the SB couldn't be bothered to build that western HS ten years ago.

Don't worry. Planning and design on that school is expected to start in 2032 according to the latest draft CIP. LOL.

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A poster above says leaving space for an academy at Herndon. Is this proposed new academy for there or one already in place?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:The main problem seems to be a mismatch between where the high schools are located and where people live.

Too bad the SB couldn't be bothered to build that western HS ten years ago.

^ This, plus the mismatch between the MS capacities and the HS capacities. Hard not to have split feeders when the middle schools and high schools are not aligned. For that you can think the incompetent Facilities department of FCPS (especially the now-departed Jeff Platenberg) and poor School Board oversight.