Boundary Review Meetings

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There is nobody more hypocritical than a liberal parent during school rezoning discussions.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think school board will amend with new changes from Reid’s proposal or just remove some of her changes? I hope nothing new - maybe just add to list of things to look at in future?

They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

Nearly 300 students trsnsfer out of Lewis each year. They need s program revamp

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Anonymous wrote:There is nobody more hypocritical than a liberal parent during school rezoning discussions.

*whose kids have already gone through the school system so now they feel liberated to mess with the system misguidedly believing it’ll help certain races even though the opposite is true.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think school board will amend with new changes from Reid’s proposal or just remove some of her changes? I hope nothing new - maybe just add to list of things to look at in future?

They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

They need to re-evaluate programs at schools where 10% of the students are pupil placing out each year. Many of the IB programs are used to leave high FARMs schools, drop IB, bring in a full slate of AP programs and stop the pupil placement. That means running AP classes that might not be full because kids will transfer out to schools that offer those classes. If they are close to the number, then run the class. Give people a reason to stay at the school. If you keep the 200-300 students pupil placing out you have a larger number of students and a larger AP cohort. Families will figure out that they have classes with 15 kids in them and their kids get more attention in more challenging classes, which many will see as a plus.

I believe Herndon is the only AP school with a high transfer rate. If every MS gets their own AAP Center, then you keep the AAP kids at Herndon MS and might drop the number of kids pupil placing at SLHS.

But the County really doesn't want to change how they do IB. They seem to be hell bent on going IB only and watching the students who are supposed to want IB transfer out of the school. If FCPS ran IB the way the surrounding counties did, kids apply to be in IB and are working towards the diploma while other kids at the HS have a full complement of AP classes, they would probably find that that the number of kids taking IB would drop a lot. I remain convinced that they keep IB where it is so it is easier for families to pupil place out then because they think it is a good fit for those schools.

Herndon had 284 non-TJ transfers last year. Next to that among AP schools is probably Falls Church with 217 non-TJ transfers. Falls Church has an AAP center in the pyramid (Jackson), so it's not transfers for kids trying to stay with their AAP peers driving the transfers, apart from a small number at Mason Crest who go to Glasgow and then pupil place to Justice. Biggest cohort of Falls Church transfers is to Annandale, so that's probably non-AAP kids who've been at Poe wanting to stay with Annandale kids.

With Falls Church's renovation and the potential addition of UMC areas from Justice in this boundary review, its going to be more desirable in the future.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think school board will amend with new changes from Reid’s proposal or just remove some of her changes? I hope nothing new - maybe just add to list of things to look at in future?

They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

They need to re-evaluate programs at schools where 10% of the students are pupil placing out each year. Many of the IB programs are used to leave high FARMs schools, drop IB, bring in a full slate of AP programs and stop the pupil placement. That means running AP classes that might not be full because kids will transfer out to schools that offer those classes. If they are close to the number, then run the class. Give people a reason to stay at the school. If you keep the 200-300 students pupil placing out you have a larger number of students and a larger AP cohort. Families will figure out that they have classes with 15 kids in them and their kids get more attention in more challenging classes, which many will see as a plus.

I believe Herndon is the only AP school with a high transfer rate. If every MS gets their own AAP Center, then you keep the AAP kids at Herndon MS and might drop the number of kids pupil placing at SLHS.

But the County really doesn't want to change how they do IB. They seem to be hell bent on going IB only and watching the students who are supposed to want IB transfer out of the school. If FCPS ran IB the way the surrounding counties did, kids apply to be in IB and are working towards the diploma while other kids at the HS have a full complement of AP classes, they would probably find that that the number of kids taking IB would drop a lot. I remain convinced that they keep IB where it is so it is easier for families to pupil place out then because they think it is a good fit for those schools.

Herndon had 284 non-TJ transfers last year. Next to that among AP schools is probably Falls Church with 217 non-TJ transfers. Falls Church has an AAP center in the pyramid (Jackson), so it's not transfers for kids trying to stay with their AAP peers driving the transfers, apart from a small number at Mason Crest who go to Glasgow and then pupil place to Justice. Biggest cohort of Falls Church transfers is to Annandale, so that's probably non-AAP kids who've been at Poe wanting to stay with Annandale kids.

With Falls Church's renovation and the potential addition of UMC areas from Justice in this boundary review, its going to be more desirable in the future.

Is there a link to find the transfer numbers?

How many kids transfer to Annandale? That seems incorrect - I thought kids did not transfer to IB schools.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think school board will amend with new changes from Reid’s proposal or just remove some of her changes? I hope nothing new - maybe just add to list of things to look at in future?

They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

And it looks like they are going to add Bren Mar Park elementary before the 5 year review. Which also helps relieve capacity issues at Edison so is a good change.

I have no idea why we’re suddenly bringing up a NYT podcast from an entirely different cultural era … definitely not a relevant piece of media in these extremely different times.

It’s not clear it’s a good change. It quickly got tabled for this cycle whereas they went ahead with the other last-minute changes to move kids out of Glasgow/Justice to Poe/Falls Church and Holmes/Annandale. They ended up getting a lot of push back from the Beech Tree families, but they hadn’t tabled those changes like they had with Bren Mar Park.

It isn’t a change that is being proposed to add kids to Lewis - rather, it is to take kids out of Edison. Edison needs to get rid of some students in order to accommodate growth in the region - they’ve already broken ground on a large neighborhood in Kingstowne where the old Top Golf used to be and that area will for sure be zoned for Edison. Never mind when the Franconia government center gets redeveloped in a few years. I know BMP would like to end up back at Annandale but Annandale also can’t accommodate more students at this point.

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Anonymous wrote:The white mommies at WSHS are happy that Bren Mar is being targeted as the school to move to Lewis, even though that would mean those kids would have to cross both 395/95 and 495. Is that not busing kids out of their communities? Or is that okay because that school is more diverse?

DP. Half the kids at BMP (those from the old Edsall Park area) already have to cross 95/395 and the Beltway/495 to get to Edison. Many of those folks would like to move back to Annandale. It’s more those on the other side of 395 who want to stay at Edison. None of them seem to want to move to Lewis.

Bren Mar has to cross a highway no matter where they go don’t they? Most of that area north of the beltway is Alexandria City, not Fairfax. What HS is in that part of the quadrant made by 395/495?

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think school board will amend with new changes from Reid’s proposal or just remove some of her changes? I hope nothing new - maybe just add to list of things to look at in future?

They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

They need to re-evaluate programs at schools where 10% of the students are pupil placing out each year. Many of the IB programs are used to leave high FARMs schools, drop IB, bring in a full slate of AP programs and stop the pupil placement. That means running AP classes that might not be full because kids will transfer out to schools that offer those classes. If they are close to the number, then run the class. Give people a reason to stay at the school. If you keep the 200-300 students pupil placing out you have a larger number of students and a larger AP cohort. Families will figure out that they have classes with 15 kids in them and their kids get more attention in more challenging classes, which many will see as a plus.

I believe Herndon is the only AP school with a high transfer rate. If every MS gets their own AAP Center, then you keep the AAP kids at Herndon MS and might drop the number of kids pupil placing at SLHS.

But the County really doesn't want to change how they do IB. They seem to be hell bent on going IB only and watching the students who are supposed to want IB transfer out of the school. If FCPS ran IB the way the surrounding counties did, kids apply to be in IB and are working towards the diploma while other kids at the HS have a full complement of AP classes, they would probably find that that the number of kids taking IB would drop a lot. I remain convinced that they keep IB where it is so it is easier for families to pupil place out then because they think it is a good fit for those schools.

Herndon had 284 non-TJ transfers last year. Next to that among AP schools is probably Falls Church with 217 non-TJ transfers. Falls Church has an AAP center in the pyramid (Jackson), so it's not transfers for kids trying to stay with their AAP peers driving the transfers, apart from a small number at Mason Crest who go to Glasgow and then pupil place to Justice. Biggest cohort of Falls Church transfers is to Annandale, so that's probably non-AAP kids who've been at Poe wanting to stay with Annandale kids.

With Falls Church's renovation and the potential addition of UMC areas from Justice in this boundary review, its going to be more desirable in the future.

Is there a link to find the transfer numbers?

How many kids transfer to Annandale? That seems incorrect - I thought kids did not transfer to IB schools.

You can look at the Capacity Dashboard - https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards - there is a tab for student transfers.

Of course kids "transfer to IB schools." Most of the kids transferring out of Herndon transfer to South Lakes, an IB school. There are smaller numbers of transfers to other IB schools, but they still occur.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think school board will amend with new changes from Reid’s proposal or just remove some of her changes? I hope nothing new - maybe just add to list of things to look at in future?

They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

They need to re-evaluate programs at schools where 10% of the students are pupil placing out each year. Many of the IB programs are used to leave high FARMs schools, drop IB, bring in a full slate of AP programs and stop the pupil placement. That means running AP classes that might not be full because kids will transfer out to schools that offer those classes. If they are close to the number, then run the class. Give people a reason to stay at the school. If you keep the 200-300 students pupil placing out you have a larger number of students and a larger AP cohort. Families will figure out that they have classes with 15 kids in them and their kids get more attention in more challenging classes, which many will see as a plus.

I believe Herndon is the only AP school with a high transfer rate. If every MS gets their own AAP Center, then you keep the AAP kids at Herndon MS and might drop the number of kids pupil placing at SLHS.

But the County really doesn't want to change how they do IB. They seem to be hell bent on going IB only and watching the students who are supposed to want IB transfer out of the school. If FCPS ran IB the way the surrounding counties did, kids apply to be in IB and are working towards the diploma while other kids at the HS have a full complement of AP classes, they would probably find that that the number of kids taking IB would drop a lot. I remain convinced that they keep IB where it is so it is easier for families to pupil place out then because they think it is a good fit for those schools.

Herndon had 284 non-TJ transfers last year. Next to that among AP schools is probably Falls Church with 217 non-TJ transfers. Falls Church has an AAP center in the pyramid (Jackson), so it's not transfers for kids trying to stay with their AAP peers driving the transfers, apart from a small number at Mason Crest who go to Glasgow and then pupil place to Justice. Biggest cohort of Falls Church transfers is to Annandale, so that's probably non-AAP kids who've been at Poe wanting to stay with Annandale kids.

With Falls Church's renovation and the potential addition of UMC areas from Justice in this boundary review, its going to be more desirable in the future.

Is there a link to find the transfer numbers?

How many kids transfer to Annandale? That seems incorrect - I thought kids did not transfer to IB schools.

FCPS did not update the transfers for this school year. They are at https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

You have to look at both transfer links and make a spreadsheet. s means less than 10. Annandale transfers out:
Edison 14
Fairfax s
Falls Church 10
Justice s
Lake Braddock 87
Langley s
Lewis s
Madison s
Marshall s
McLean s
Oakton s
Robinson s
West Potomac s
West Springfield s
Woodson 23
134
TJ 56
Bryant 10
200
total out 294
11 sites<10 94

50 incoming transfers includes Falls Church 28 and Justice 14.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think school board will amend with new changes from Reid’s proposal or just remove some of her changes? I hope nothing new - maybe just add to list of things to look at in future?

They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

And it looks like they are going to add Bren Mar Park elementary before the 5 year review. Which also helps relieve capacity issues at Edison so is a good change.

I have no idea why we’re suddenly bringing up a NYT podcast from an entirely different cultural era … definitely not a relevant piece of media in these extremely different times.

It’s not clear it’s a good change. It quickly got tabled for this cycle whereas they went ahead with the other last-minute changes to move kids out of Glasgow/Justice to Poe/Falls Church and Holmes/Annandale. They ended up getting a lot of push back from the Beech Tree families, but they hadn’t tabled those changes like they had with Bren Mar Park.

It isn’t a change that is being proposed to add kids to Lewis - rather, it is to take kids out of Edison. Edison needs to get rid of some students in order to accommodate growth in the region - they’ve already broken ground on a large neighborhood in Kingstowne where the old Top Golf used to be and that area will for sure be zoned for Edison. Never mind when the Franconia government center gets redeveloped in a few years. I know BMP would like to end up back at Annandale but Annandale also can’t accommodate more students at this point.

All of Bren Mar Park went to Annandale before 2011. Bren Mar Park ES used to be two different schools - Edsall Park ES covered the area north of the Beltway and west of 395, and Bren Mar Park ES the area north of the Beltway an east of 395. One area is Springfield and the other Alexandria. They closed Edsall Park decades ago. To get to Edison now, the Edsall Park area has to cross both 395 and the Beltway. The Bren Mar area just has to cross the Beltway.

Annandale has capacity to take back the Edsall Park area, and that area would no longer have to cross either the Beltway or 395. The Bren Mar area is better served by Edison. None of these folks want to go to Lewis, and they should not be moved there just to give West Springfield families comfort that someone else is getting moved instead.

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Anonymous wrote:Do you think school board will amend with new changes from Reid’s proposal or just remove some of her changes? I hope nothing new - maybe just add to list of things to look at in future?

They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

They need to re-evaluate programs at schools where 10% of the students are pupil placing out each year. Many of the IB programs are used to leave high FARMs schools, drop IB, bring in a full slate of AP programs and stop the pupil placement. That means running AP classes that might not be full because kids will transfer out to schools that offer those classes. If they are close to the number, then run the class. Give people a reason to stay at the school. If you keep the 200-300 students pupil placing out you have a larger number of students and a larger AP cohort. Families will figure out that they have classes with 15 kids in them and their kids get more attention in more challenging classes, which many will see as a plus.

I believe Herndon is the only AP school with a high transfer rate. If every MS gets their own AAP Center, then you keep the AAP kids at Herndon MS and might drop the number of kids pupil placing at SLHS.

But the County really doesn't want to change how they do IB. They seem to be hell bent on going IB only and watching the students who are supposed to want IB transfer out of the school. If FCPS ran IB the way the surrounding counties did, kids apply to be in IB and are working towards the diploma while other kids at the HS have a full complement of AP classes, they would probably find that that the number of kids taking IB would drop a lot. I remain convinced that they keep IB where it is so it is easier for families to pupil place out then because they think it is a good fit for those schools.

Herndon had 284 non-TJ transfers last year. Next to that among AP schools is probably Falls Church with 217 non-TJ transfers. Falls Church has an AAP center in the pyramid (Jackson), so it's not transfers for kids trying to stay with their AAP peers driving the transfers, apart from a small number at Mason Crest who go to Glasgow and then pupil place to Justice. Biggest cohort of Falls Church transfers is to Annandale, so that's probably non-AAP kids who've been at Poe wanting to stay with Annandale kids.

With Falls Church's renovation and the potential addition of UMC areas from Justice in this boundary review, its going to be more desirable in the future.

Is there a link to find the transfer numbers?

How many kids transfer to Annandale? That seems incorrect - I thought kids did not transfer to IB schools.

FCPS did not update the transfers for this school year. They are at https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

You have to look at both transfer links and make a spreadsheet. s means less than 10. Annandale transfers out:
Edison 14
Fairfax s
Falls Church 10
Justice s
Lake Braddock 87
Langley s
Lewis s
Madison s
Marshall s
McLean s
Oakton s
Robinson s
West Potomac s
West Springfield s
Woodson 23
134
TJ 56
Bryant 10
200
total out 294
11 sites<10 94

50 incoming transfers includes Falls Church 28 and Justice 14.

PP asked about transfers to Annandale, not out of Annandale.

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They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

They need to re-evaluate programs at schools where 10% of the students are pupil placing out each year. Many of the IB programs are used to leave high FARMs schools, drop IB, bring in a full slate of AP programs and stop the pupil placement. That means running AP classes that might not be full because kids will transfer out to schools that offer those classes. If they are close to the number, then run the class. Give people a reason to stay at the school. If you keep the 200-300 students pupil placing out you have a larger number of students and a larger AP cohort. Families will figure out that they have classes with 15 kids in them and their kids get more attention in more challenging classes, which many will see as a plus.

I believe Herndon is the only AP school with a high transfer rate. If every MS gets their own AAP Center, then you keep the AAP kids at Herndon MS and might drop the number of kids pupil placing at SLHS.

But the County really doesn't want to change how they do IB. They seem to be hell bent on going IB only and watching the students who are supposed to want IB transfer out of the school. If FCPS ran IB the way the surrounding counties did, kids apply to be in IB and are working towards the diploma while other kids at the HS have a full complement of AP classes, they would probably find that that the number of kids taking IB would drop a lot. I remain convinced that they keep IB where it is so it is easier for families to pupil place out then because they think it is a good fit for those schools.

Herndon had 284 non-TJ transfers last year. Next to that among AP schools is probably Falls Church with 217 non-TJ transfers. Falls Church has an AAP center in the pyramid (Jackson), so it's not transfers for kids trying to stay with their AAP peers driving the transfers, apart from a small number at Mason Crest who go to Glasgow and then pupil place to Justice. Biggest cohort of Falls Church transfers is to Annandale, so that's probably non-AAP kids who've been at Poe wanting to stay with Annandale kids.

With Falls Church's renovation and the potential addition of UMC areas from Justice in this boundary review, its going to be more desirable in the future.

Is there a link to find the transfer numbers?

How many kids transfer to Annandale? That seems incorrect - I thought kids did not transfer to IB schools.

You can look at the Capacity Dashboard - https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards - there is a tab for student transfers.

Of course kids "transfer to IB schools." Most of the kids transferring out of Herndon transfer to South Lakes, an IB school. There are smaller numbers of transfers to other IB schools, but they still occur.

Falls Church HS, for example, is surrounded by IB schools, so their potential IB transfers are spread between Justice, Marshall, and Annandale depending on which school is closest.

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They might put some of the Map 4 changes back into play (WSHS comes to mind)

There are some very upset Cardinal Forest families at Reid's last minute changes that switched that Keene Mill island down near White Oaks, Shannon Station, from getting rezoned to White Oaks elementary and Lake Braddock in Map 4, to Reid rezoning them to Cardinal Forest, putting Cardinal Forest well over capacity, and also rezoning walkable Cardinal Forest neighborhoods from Cardinal Forest to farther away Keene Mill elementary.

Moving Shannon Station to White Oaks in Map 4 eliminated an attendance island and decreased West Springfield High School by around 100 students. It also lowered transportation costs by sending them to a closer school, and sent Shannon Station to equivalent schools with the same programs. The Shannon Station move was low hanging fruit and met every last one of the four rezoning mandates given to the BRAC committee by the school board.

Reid's map keeps everyone at WSHS. Reid keeps the recommendation from Map 4 to move two SPAs from Rolling Valley to Saratoga, but leaves one Rolling Valley SPA from the Parkway area at status quo (Rolling Valley > Key > Lewis), which means that instead of being a roughly 60/40 split feeder between WSHS and Lewis, Rolling Valley is now less than 10% split going to Lewis.

What Reid did to the WSHS maps by keeping Emerald Chase at WSHS and rezoning Rolling Valley the way that she did, puts a huge target on WSHS for mid cycle rezoning in the next year or two.

Sandy Anderson openly stated this at the school board meeting last week. Anderson's term goes through 2028. Rezoning WSHS has been her consistent, stated goal since soon after she was sworn in. If she can find a way to rezone neighborhoods out of WSHS in an off cycle rezoning before her term ends, and move RV into WSHS, then she will definitely try.

If you know the history and follow the process, it is clear that Reid's map, trying to keep everyone happy, is the worst case scenario for WSHS as it means continuous, mid cycle rezoning.

I sincerely hope that the school board adopts Map 4 for WSHS, for at least Shannon Station. Or, if they leave Shannon Station at WSHS, then I hope they rezone SPA 8922 along the Parkway to Saratoga, along with the rest of the Rolling Valley Lewis schools.

In my opinion, that is the best way to protect WSHS from mid cycle rezoning.

One correction to my post.

School board elections are odd years in FairfaxCounty, 2019, 2023, 2027...

The term ends in January 2028, while the election is November 2027, roughly 22 months from now.

This school board has roughly 2 years to continue to make their mark on our kids' education. I think they are counting on voters completely forgetting about this rezoning mess by the next election.

Hard to do that when Sandy Anderson promised that this is just the start and they’re planning to continue looking at a variety of schools starting in January from the superintendent’s list.

Is anyone familiar with her origin story? I’m genuinely curious why she’s so singularly focused on WSHS. How does someone wake up one day and decide that rezoning this one school becomes their life’s mission?

Some people just think they know best. They claim to "care more" than you do. "Savior" mentality.

A white suburban woman knows what is good for poor black, Latino and Asian children than their own parents. These women are the real racists.

Correct.

Those two white women who argued for more boundary changes are just trying to get more kids like theirs in their classrooms. I question their motives. The only one who seemed to be truly crunchy was the elderly woman with short hair who clearly doesn’t have kids in the school district, but even her children probably benefited from the system she is now trying to change.

So some FCPS schools are designated for black, Latino, and Asian students? That is what you can read from your statement.

Lewis is closing in on only 1500 students this year and will almost certainly start next year around 1450 if nothing is done. It is not like the other FCPS schools simply in the NUMBER of students, be they white, black, Latino, Asian, or other.

But they are doing something. They’re looking at stopping transfers out by adding programming. That’s what Reid said.

They need to re-evaluate programs at schools where 10% of the students are pupil placing out each year. Many of the IB programs are used to leave high FARMs schools, drop IB, bring in a full slate of AP programs and stop the pupil placement. That means running AP classes that might not be full because kids will transfer out to schools that offer those classes. If they are close to the number, then run the class. Give people a reason to stay at the school. If you keep the 200-300 students pupil placing out you have a larger number of students and a larger AP cohort. Families will figure out that they have classes with 15 kids in them and their kids get more attention in more challenging classes, which many will see as a plus.

I believe Herndon is the only AP school with a high transfer rate. If every MS gets their own AAP Center, then you keep the AAP kids at Herndon MS and might drop the number of kids pupil placing at SLHS.

But the County really doesn't want to change how they do IB. They seem to be hell bent on going IB only and watching the students who are supposed to want IB transfer out of the school. If FCPS ran IB the way the surrounding counties did, kids apply to be in IB and are working towards the diploma while other kids at the HS have a full complement of AP classes, they would probably find that that the number of kids taking IB would drop a lot. I remain convinced that they keep IB where it is so it is easier for families to pupil place out then because they think it is a good fit for those schools.

Herndon had 284 non-TJ transfers last year. Next to that among AP schools is probably Falls Church with 217 non-TJ transfers. Falls Church has an AAP center in the pyramid (Jackson), so it's not transfers for kids trying to stay with their AAP peers driving the transfers, apart from a small number at Mason Crest who go to Glasgow and then pupil place to Justice. Biggest cohort of Falls Church transfers is to Annandale, so that's probably non-AAP kids who've been at Poe wanting to stay with Annandale kids.

With Falls Church's renovation and the potential addition of UMC areas from Justice in this boundary review, its going to be more desirable in the future.

Is there a link to find the transfer numbers?

How many kids transfer to Annandale? That seems incorrect - I thought kids did not transfer to IB schools.

FCPS did not update the transfers for this school year. They are at https://www.fcps.edu/facilities-planning-future/facilities-and-membership-dashboards

You have to look at both transfer links and make a spreadsheet. s means less than 10. Annandale transfers out:
Edison 14
Fairfax s
Falls Church 10
Justice s
Lake Braddock 87
Langley s
Lewis s
Madison s
Marshall s
McLean s
Oakton s
Robinson s
West Potomac s
West Springfield s
Woodson 23
134
TJ 56
Bryant 10
200
total out 294
11 sites<10 94

50 incoming transfers includes Falls Church 28 and Justice 14.

PP asked about transfers to Annandale, not out of Annandale.

The 294 is transfers out of Annandale and 94 of them are to 11 sites that got less than 10. The 50 are transfers in.

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The white mommies at WSHS are happy that Bren Mar is being targeted as the school to move to Lewis, even though that would mean those kids would have to cross both 395/95 and 495. Is that not busing kids out of their communities? Or is that okay because that school is more diverse?

Just stop.

Wshs is majority minority, and has one of the largest African American student populations in FCPS.

Your are being racist.

When your school has over 2800 kids, it's not hard to have one of the largest AA or White student populations in FCPS. The AA populations at smaller Edison, Hayfield, Mount Vernon, South County, Westfield, and West Potomac are just as large or larger.

Do you understand how percentages work?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:The white mommies at WSHS are happy that Bren Mar is being targeted as the school to move to Lewis, even though that would mean those kids would have to cross both 395/95 and 495. Is that not busing kids out of their communities? Or is that okay because that school is more diverse?

Just stop.

Wshs is majority minority, and has one of the largest African American student populations in FCPS.

Your are being racist.

When your school has over 2800 kids, it's not hard to have one of the largest AA or White student populations in FCPS. The AA populations at smaller Edison, Hayfield, Mount Vernon, South County, Westfield, and West Potomac are just as large or larger.

Do you understand how percentages work?

PP referred to populations, not percentages. Are you illiterate?