Gaza war and College Campus Protests

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

+1000. The world is sick of these pathetic, pathological narcissists.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Jews will never recover from what Israel has done in Palestine. World opinion is turning sharply against Israel and the effects will be felt by Jews wherever they live. The USA is an outlier, because Americans are both detached and stupid, but the college students are in the vanguard.

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

Let's differentiate between Jews and Zionists. As a Jew, I am revolted by Zionism and offended by the existence of Israel. Many of us feel this way.

Israel is an illegitimate country full of racist extremists, fundamentalist bigots, and opportunistic predators. It cannot, will not, and should not survive in its current form.

Most Israelis and nearly all of the objectionable ones may be Jewish, but please don't judge all Jewish people by these depraved and debauched examples of the group.

I don’t doubt this for a second, but the reality is that Israel is committing a genocide in the name of a Jewish state. The primary victims are, of course, those in Gaza, but all Jews and all Americans are now less safe due to the racism and extremism of Israel. We are globally reviled.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

The Palestinians are not in a position to do anything about Hamas, they are in Buchenwald!
Netanyahu wants mighty revenge, his words.
He also wants to make Israel permanently safe. That is not possible either. This is not about Oct 7 anymore. His re-election campaign

Well, October 7th shattered the status quo. In that sense, the war is very much about October 7th. After Hamas invaded and committed all those atrocities, it became clear there was no going back. No Israeli had set foot in Gaza since 2005, and still Palestinians in Gaza attacked Israel and murdered all those kids and farmers and took more than 250 people hostage - to torture and ultimately kill.

Palestinians in Gaza could have used those 20 years of complete freedom and billions and billions of aid dollars to turn Gaza into the Singapore of the Middle East. Instead, the Hamas leadership became richer than Donald Trump. They were billionaires. And the rest of the money went to buying weapons from Iran and to build tunnels. Forget about electricity or water or schools. Palestinians in Gaza chose corruption and war instead. It's a shame.

That's what Palestinians in Gaza chose. And that can't happen again. No country in the world would allow Hamas to exist as their neighbor. Palestinians in Gaza really should have chosen a different path. But they chose terror. And these are the consequences. Until Palestinians in Gaza turn on Hamas, their future is going to be bleak.

This is accurate. All the rest is obfuscation, excuses, and attempts to justify terror through name calling, propaganda, and deflection. What have the Palestinians done for themselves when left alone? Supported a corrupt governing structure which diverted foreign aid to prepare for Oct 7, and then wailed about the results when Hamas' grand plan resulted in self-harm instead of the disappearance of Israel.

BTW, where is the Red Cross' evaluation of the hostages' situation? All we get are reports from the Hamas-controlled authorities, which focus on only unverifiable discussions of Palestinian women and children as victims. Raido silence with respect to the hostages, and with regard to militant losses. Propaganda, not facts, is all that comes out of Gaza. The Israeli press is far more objective and self-critical, and accurate.

When Hamas surrenders, and the hostages are released, we can talk. Until then, we can just sit back and watch the self-destruction continue. Palestinians need to stop supporting Hamas, Islamic Jihad, and other similarly odious, disgusting, amoral, and criminal entities if they want any hope for a peaceful future. Until then, no civilized persons can or should have any sympathy for them whatsoever.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

lol right Israel continues to grab more and more Arab land but if Arabs resist, they are terrorists. No one falls for this trope anymore you know.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

The Palestinians are not in a position to do anything about Hamas, they are in Buchenwald!
Netanyahu wants mighty revenge, his words.
He also wants to make Israel permanently safe. That is not possible either. This is not about Oct 7 anymore. His re-election campaign

Well, October 7th shattered the status quo. In that sense, the war is very much about October 7th. After Hamas invaded and committed all those atrocities, it became clear there was no going back. No Israeli had set foot in Gaza since 2005, and still Palestinians in Gaza attacked Israel and murdered all those kids and farmers and took more than 250 people hostage - to torture and ultimately kill.

Palestinians in Gaza could have used those 20 years of complete freedom and billions and billions of aid dollars to turn Gaza into the Singapore of the Middle East. Instead, the Hamas leadership became richer than Donald Trump. They were billionaires. And the rest of the money went to buying weapons from Iran and to build tunnels. Forget about electricity or water or schools. Palestinians in Gaza chose corruption and war instead. It's a shame.

That's what Palestinians in Gaza chose. And that can't happen again. No country in the world would allow Hamas to exist as their neighbor. Palestinians in Gaza really should have chosen a different path. But they chose terror. And these are the consequences. Until Palestinians in Gaza turn on Hamas, their future is going to be bleak.

Gaza never had 20 years of complete freedom so your entire argument is based on falsehoods.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I see no solution for peace. Killing everyone in Gaza will not make Israel more safe, expropriating all of West Bank will not either.
Even the land stolen from Syria will not make Israeli a safer ,
There is no prospect of long term peace.
The Arab neighbors will be there for all eternity. Currently the policy is to do what they can to get more money and weapons from the US.
But will the US be a super power or even a supporter for ever?

The core issue is that Israel never intended to be a good neighbor in the region. Their entire approach is domination through theft and murder. I don’t know how the current conflict will end but I know Israel will never feel at peace. Its youngsters will continue to come of age in military fatigues. It chose to live by the sword in the service of future peace , which will never come.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

The Palestinians are not in a position to do anything about Hamas, they are in Buchenwald!
Netanyahu wants mighty revenge, his words.
He also wants to make Israel permanently safe. That is not possible either. This is not about Oct 7 anymore. His re-election campaign

Well, October 7th shattered the status quo. In that sense, the war is very much about October 7th. After Hamas invaded and committed all those atrocities, it became clear there was no going back. No Israeli had set foot in Gaza since 2005, and still Palestinians in Gaza attacked Israel and murdered all those kids and farmers and took more than 250 people hostage - to torture and ultimately kill.

Palestinians in Gaza could have used those 20 years of complete freedom and billions and billions of aid dollars to turn Gaza into the Singapore of the Middle East. Instead, the Hamas leadership became richer than Donald Trump. They were billionaires. And the rest of the money went to buying weapons from Iran and to build tunnels. Forget about electricity or water or schools. Palestinians in Gaza chose corruption and war instead. It's a shame.

That's what Palestinians in Gaza chose. And that can't happen again. No country in the world would allow Hamas to exist as their neighbor. Palestinians in Gaza really should have chosen a different path. But they chose terror. And these are the consequences. Until Palestinians in Gaza turn on Hamas, their future is going to be bleak.

Gaza never had 20 years of complete freedom so your entire argument is based on falsehoods.

Fine. Palestinians in Gaza had 18 years until they chose to invade Israel. During their 2005 election, they chose Hamas despite the fact that all Israelis had left Gaza. And for 18 years, Gaza was showered with billions and billions of dollars of aid, which Palestinians proceeded to squander on corruption and weapons from Iran. If they were free enough to import rockets from Iran, they were free enough to build an economy. And they chose not to. Instead they invaded Israel. Everything that followed was because of the stupid, self-destructive decisions made by Palestinians in Gaza. War has consequences, which is why, unlike Palestinians in Gaza, most people in the world try to avoid it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

The Palestinians are not in a position to do anything about Hamas, they are in Buchenwald!
Netanyahu wants mighty revenge, his words.
He also wants to make Israel permanently safe. That is not possible either. This is not about Oct 7 anymore. His re-election campaign

Well, October 7th shattered the status quo. In that sense, the war is very much about October 7th. After Hamas invaded and committed all those atrocities, it became clear there was no going back. No Israeli had set foot in Gaza since 2005, and still Palestinians in Gaza attacked Israel and murdered all those kids and farmers and took more than 250 people hostage - to torture and ultimately kill.

Palestinians in Gaza could have used those 20 years of complete freedom and billions and billions of aid dollars to turn Gaza into the Singapore of the Middle East. Instead, the Hamas leadership became richer than Donald Trump. They were billionaires. And the rest of the money went to buying weapons from Iran and to build tunnels. Forget about electricity or water or schools. Palestinians in Gaza chose corruption and war instead. It's a shame.

That's what Palestinians in Gaza chose. And that can't happen again. No country in the world would allow Hamas to exist as their neighbor. Palestinians in Gaza really should have chosen a different path. But they chose terror. And these are the consequences. Until Palestinians in Gaza turn on Hamas, their future is going to be bleak.

Gaza never had 20 years of complete freedom so your entire argument is based on falsehoods.

Fine. Palestinians in Gaza had 18 years until they chose to invade Israel. During their 2005 election, they chose Hamas despite the fact that all Israelis had left Gaza. And for 18 years, Gaza was showered with billions and billions of dollars of aid, which Palestinians proceeded to squander on corruption and weapons from Iran. If they were free enough to import rockets from Iran, they were free enough to build an economy. And they chose not to. Instead they invaded Israel. Everything that followed was because of the stupid, self-destructive decisions made by Palestinians in Gaza. War has consequences, which is why, unlike Palestinians in Gaza, most people in the world try to avoid it.

The irony dripping from your words is amazing. If Zionists were forced to live under the same conditions that Palestinians have been forced to live under for the past 80 years, the resistance we see today would be 10x as violent, 10x as indifferent to the loss of human life, and 10x as despicable.

Just read about the acts of terror committed by the very founders of the State of Israel. Read about the Lehi, Irgun, Stern Gang, the bombing of the USS Liberty, etc. to remind yourself what the Zionists are more than happy to resort to when they don’t get THEIR way.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

The Palestinians are not in a position to do anything about Hamas, they are in Buchenwald!
Netanyahu wants mighty revenge, his words.
He also wants to make Israel permanently safe. That is not possible either. This is not about Oct 7 anymore. His re-election campaign

Well, October 7th shattered the status quo. In that sense, the war is very much about October 7th. After Hamas invaded and committed all those atrocities, it became clear there was no going back. No Israeli had set foot in Gaza since 2005, and still Palestinians in Gaza attacked Israel and murdered all those kids and farmers and took more than 250 people hostage - to torture and ultimately kill.

Palestinians in Gaza could have used those 20 years of complete freedom and billions and billions of aid dollars to turn Gaza into the Singapore of the Middle East. Instead, the Hamas leadership became richer than Donald Trump. They were billionaires. And the rest of the money went to buying weapons from Iran and to build tunnels. Forget about electricity or water or schools. Palestinians in Gaza chose corruption and war instead. It's a shame.

That's what Palestinians in Gaza chose. And that can't happen again. No country in the world would allow Hamas to exist as their neighbor. Palestinians in Gaza really should have chosen a different path. But they chose terror. And these are the consequences. Until Palestinians in Gaza turn on Hamas, their future is going to be bleak.

Gaza never had 20 years of complete freedom so your entire argument is based on falsehoods.

Fine. Palestinians in Gaza had 18 years until they chose to invade Israel. During their 2005 election, they chose Hamas despite the fact that all Israelis had left Gaza. And for 18 years, Gaza was showered with billions and billions of dollars of aid, which Palestinians proceeded to squander on corruption and weapons from Iran. If they were free enough to import rockets from Iran, they were free enough to build an economy. And they chose not to. Instead they invaded Israel. Everything that followed was because of the stupid, self-destructive decisions made by Palestinians in Gaza. War has consequences, which is why, unlike Palestinians in Gaza, most people in the world try to avoid it.

What consequences do you think land grab should have?

What consequences do you think setter violence should have?

What consequences do you think Absentee Property laws should have?

That’s right. Laws are for other people .

[Anonymous]

So Palestinian terrorism is justified because, because, because. There is no peaceful way forward, terrorism is the only way to achieve anything? That's the argument? Anyone with a scintilla of civilized blood in their veins would reject that puerile, simplistic proposition. Of course, if you accept it, all bets are off - the Palestinians should keep inflicting terror. If you adhere to that idea, you've no basis for crying when the terrorists and their supporters are suppressed. So stop whining and accept that the current condition of the Gazans is self-inflicted even as you think their actions have some kind of utility in advancing their causes and redressing their grievances.

Never mind that the Arab states surrounding Israel mostly engage in political discourse and negotiations instead of violent aggression. Those countries have avoided any recent conflicts because they have stayed within their own borders, having learned from their past adventurism that attacking Israel achieves nothing but self-destruction, a diminution in their own borders, the loss of military capacity, and embarrassment on the world stage. Iran is still figuring that one out, as are the Houthis.

The Palestinians can try to re-fight the Israeli war for independence over and over again, obtaining the same results they did in 1948. You can cheer them on from the sidelines where it's safe, but encouraging them is to urge them to continue further aggravate their hopeless state of affairs.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Palestinian terrorism is justified because, because, because. There is no peaceful way forward, terrorism is the only way to achieve anything? That's the argument? Anyone with a scintilla of civilized blood in their veins would reject that puerile, simplistic proposition. Of course, if you accept it, all bets are off - the Palestinians should keep inflicting terror. If you adhere to that idea, you've no basis for crying when the terrorists and their supporters are suppressed. So stop whining and accept that the current condition of the Gazans is self-inflicted even as you think their actions have some kind of utility in advancing their causes and redressing their grievances.

Never mind that the Arab states surrounding Israel mostly engage in political discourse and negotiations instead of violent aggression. Those countries have avoided any recent conflicts because they have stayed within their own borders, having learned from their past adventurism that attacking Israel achieves nothing but self-destruction, a diminution in their own borders, the loss of military capacity, and embarrassment on the world stage. Iran is still figuring that one out, as are the Houthis.

The Palestinians can try to re-fight the Israeli war for independence over and over again, obtaining the same results they did in 1948. You can cheer them on from the sidelines where it's safe, but encouraging them is to urge them to continue further aggravate their hopeless state of affairs.

For the 1,000th time, the false bravado would be met by more than eyes rolling back in our heads if you achieved the results of any of those conflicts on your own, without massive Western interference.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Palestinian terrorism is justified because, because, because. There is no peaceful way forward, terrorism is the only way to achieve anything? That's the argument? Anyone with a scintilla of civilized blood in their veins would reject that puerile, simplistic proposition. Of course, if you accept it, all bets are off - the Palestinians should keep inflicting terror. If you adhere to that idea, you've no basis for crying when the terrorists and their supporters are suppressed. So stop whining and accept that the current condition of the Gazans is self-inflicted even as you think their actions have some kind of utility in advancing their causes and redressing their grievances.

Never mind that the Arab states surrounding Israel mostly engage in political discourse and negotiations instead of violent aggression. Those countries have avoided any recent conflicts because they have stayed within their own borders, having learned from their past adventurism that attacking Israel achieves nothing but self-destruction, a diminution in their own borders, the loss of military capacity, and embarrassment on the world stage. Iran is still figuring that one out, as are the Houthis.

The Palestinians can try to re-fight the Israeli war for independence over and over again, obtaining the same results they did in 1948. You can cheer them on from the sidelines where it's safe, but encouraging them is to urge them to continue further aggravate their hopeless state of affairs.

lol fancy an Israel supporter lecturing people about the virtues of staying within their borders. Precious.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So Palestinian terrorism is justified because, because, because. There is no peaceful way forward, terrorism is the only way to achieve anything? That's the argument? Anyone with a scintilla of civilized blood in their veins would reject that puerile, simplistic proposition. Of course, if you accept it, all bets are off - the Palestinians should keep inflicting terror. If you adhere to that idea, you've no basis for crying when the terrorists and their supporters are suppressed. So stop whining and accept that the current condition of the Gazans is self-inflicted even as you think their actions have some kind of utility in advancing their causes and redressing their grievances.

Never mind that the Arab states surrounding Israel mostly engage in political discourse and negotiations instead of violent aggression. Those countries have avoided any recent conflicts because they have stayed within their own borders, having learned from their past adventurism that attacking Israel achieves nothing but self-destruction, a diminution in their own borders, the loss of military capacity, and embarrassment on the world stage. Iran is still figuring that one out, as are the Houthis.

The Palestinians can try to re-fight the Israeli war for independence over and over again, obtaining the same results they did in 1948. You can cheer them on from the sidelines where it's safe, but encouraging them is to urge them to continue further aggravate their hopeless state of affairs.

Please suggest civilized ways currently available to the Palestinians to resist land grab and settlement expansion. I’ll wait.

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Anonymous wrote:So Palestinian terrorism is justified because, because, because. There is no peaceful way forward, terrorism is the only way to achieve anything? That's the argument? Anyone with a scintilla of civilized blood in their veins would reject that puerile, simplistic proposition. Of course, if you accept it, all bets are off - the Palestinians should keep inflicting terror. If you adhere to that idea, you've no basis for crying when the terrorists and their supporters are suppressed. So stop whining and accept that the current condition of the Gazans is self-inflicted even as you think their actions have some kind of utility in advancing their causes and redressing their grievances.

Never mind that the Arab states surrounding Israel mostly engage in political discourse and negotiations instead of violent aggression. Those countries have avoided any recent conflicts because they have stayed within their own borders, having learned from their past adventurism that attacking Israel achieves nothing but self-destruction, a diminution in their own borders, the loss of military capacity, and embarrassment on the world stage. Iran is still figuring that one out, as are the Houthis.

The Palestinians can try to re-fight the Israeli war for independence over and over again, obtaining the same results they did in 1948. You can cheer them on from the sidelines where it's safe, but encouraging them is to urge them to continue further aggravate their hopeless state of affairs.

lol fancy an Israel supporter lecturing people about the virtues of staying within their borders. Precious.

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Anonymous wrote:Jews will never recover from what Israel has done in Palestine. World opinion is turning sharply against Israel and the effects will be felt by Jews wherever they live. The USA is an outlier, because Americans are both detached and stupid, but the college students are in the vanguard.

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

Let's differentiate between Jews and Zionists. As a Jew, I am revolted by Zionism and offended by the existence of Israel. Many of us feel this way.

Israel is an illegitimate country full of racist extremists, fundamentalist bigots, and opportunistic predators. It cannot, will not, and should not survive in its current form.

Most Israelis and nearly all of the objectionable ones may be Jewish, but please don't judge all Jewish people by these depraved and debauched examples of the group.

I don’t doubt this for a second, but the reality is that Israel is committing a genocide in the name of a Jewish state. The primary victims are, of course, those in Gaza, but all Jews and all Americans are now less safe due to the racism and extremism of Israel. We are globally reviled.

I dont believe the globally reviled propaganda. Most Arabs like America and like Jewish people and have family in America, where they are a religious minority on days like today along with Jews. They just want the killing to stop, and frankly that goes for any extremist right wingers whether homegrown or IDF or USA. The problem is economically a boy in Gaza has very little prospects unless he joins Hamas. The way to get the big bucks is to join the bad guys. The farmer or pharmacist isnt getting any dough.