Gaza war and College Campus Protests

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

He speaks on behalf of 1.4 billion people.

1,400,000,000

You? You’re just a racist, Islamophobic anti-semite who conflates the actions of Hamas with all Gazans, apparently.

That's not islamophobioc. That's war. War is hell.

Nazis were only a small part of the german popuation but we bombed the whole country.
Same with the japanese imperialists and the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki.

Israel is prosecutig a war. A war that hamas started.

FAFO

The idea of "total war" is now considered totally unethical and even genocidal. This includes the fire bombing of Dresden and dropping atomic bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

Our definitions of what is and is not acceptable thankfully evolve.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

Because the history of the region began on October 7. And it's OK to kill Palestinians but not Israelis, so the thousands of Palestinians murdered by Israel since the inception of the state don't count. And Israel can retaliate against Palestinians but not the other way around.

Rolls eyes.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Pope Francis has spoken out against the cruelty in Gaza twice in as many days, as I’m sure you’ve all seen. Yesterday, he said, “Yesterday, children were bombed. This is not war. This is cruelty. I want to say this because it touches my heart.” Today, he said, “And with pain I think of Gaza, of so much cruelty, of the children being machine-gunned, of the bombings of schools and hospitals. What cruelty.”

I hope the world is listening to this voice of kindness and humanity.

There has been plenty of cruelty to go around, it's inappropriate and biased to single out the Gazans as if they suffered exclusively. They just suffered quantitatively more thereafter, which is not necessarily unjust or inappropriate, given that this was precipitated by Gazans on Oct. 7.

Why is it "inappropriate" to protest what's happening to the Gazans? Anybody with a beating heart should be screaming from the rooftops about the genocide being perpetrated against them today and the history of abuses, theft, and ethnic cleansing perpetrated against them since the ethnocentrist Zionist movement arose.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Jews will never recover from what Israel has done in Palestine. World opinion is turning sharply against Israel and the effects will be felt by Jews wherever they live. The USA is an outlier, because Americans are both detached and stupid, but the college students are in the vanguard.

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

Let's differentiate between Jews and Zionists. As a Jew, I am revolted by Zionism and offended by the existence of Israel. Many of us feel this way.

Israel is an illegitimate country full of racist extremists, fundamentalist bigots, and opportunistic predators. It cannot, will not, and should not survive in its current form.

Most Israelis and nearly all of the objectionable ones may be Jewish, but please don't judge all Jewish people by these depraved and debauched examples of the group.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews will never recover from what Israel has done in Palestine. World opinion is turning sharply against Israel and the effects will be felt by Jews wherever they live. The USA is an outlier, because Americans are both detached and stupid, but the college students are in the vanguard.

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

Let's differentiate between Jews and Zionists. As a Jew, I am revolted by Zionism and offended by the existence of Israel. Many of us feel this way.

Israel is an illegitimate country full of racist extremists, fundamentalist bigots, and opportunistic predators. It cannot, will not, and should not survive in its current form.

Most Israelis and nearly all of the objectionable ones may be Jewish, but please don't judge all Jewish people by these depraved and debauched examples of the group.

+1

[Anonymous]

IDF soldiers say they feel like Nazis when they enter Gaza from Haaretz


https://www.haaretz.com/opinion/2024-12-23/ty-article-opinion/.premium/when-you-enter-gaza-you-are-god-inside-the-minds-of-idf-soldiers-who-commit-war-crimes/00000193-f2a4-dc18-a3db-fee62b540000

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews will never recover from what Israel has done in Palestine. World opinion is turning sharply against Israel and the effects will be felt by Jews wherever they live. The USA is an outlier, because Americans are both detached and stupid, but the college students are in the vanguard.

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

Let's differentiate between Jews and Zionists. As a Jew, I am revolted by Zionism and offended by the existence of Israel. Many of us feel this way.

Israel is an illegitimate country full of racist extremists, fundamentalist bigots, and opportunistic predators. It cannot, will not, and should not survive in its current form.

Most Israelis and nearly all of the objectionable ones may be Jewish, but please don't judge all Jewish people by these depraved and debauched examples of the group.

Yep. This. I am Jewish (well I am atheist but of Jewish ethnicity). I have close friends who are Palestinian and Lebanese. They definitely differentiate between Jews and Israeli Zionists. They tell me all the time about how their grandparents lived with Jews peacefully in the same villages. I believe them. I HATE what Israel is doing in the name of Jewish people.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews will never recover from what Israel has done in Palestine. World opinion is turning sharply against Israel and the effects will be felt by Jews wherever they live. The USA is an outlier, because Americans are both detached and stupid, but the college students are in the vanguard.

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

Let's differentiate between Jews and Zionists. As a Jew, I am revolted by Zionism and offended by the existence of Israel. Many of us feel this way.

Israel is an illegitimate country full of racist extremists, fundamentalist bigots, and opportunistic predators. It cannot, will not, and should not survive in its current form.

Most Israelis and nearly all of the objectionable ones may be Jewish, but please don't judge all Jewish people by these depraved and debauched examples of the group.

Yep. This. I am Jewish (well I am atheist but of Jewish ethnicity). I have close friends who are Palestinian and Lebanese. They definitely differentiate between Jews and Israeli Zionists. They tell me all the time about how their grandparents lived with Jews peacefully in the same villages. I believe them. I HATE what Israel is doing in the name of Jewish people.

+1

It’s not your Jewish ethnicity that defines you (or the PP you responded to). It’s the humanity and compassion for others that come through loud and clear.

Thank you for having the courage to speak out, knowing you’re probably going to be attacked by those who demand that you either stay in line or else keep quiet.

[Anonymous]

I see no solution for peace. Killing everyone in Gaza will not make Israel more safe, expropriating all of West Bank will not either.
Even the land stolen from Syria will not make Israeli a safer ,
There is no prospect of long term peace.
The Arab neighbors will be there for all eternity. Currently the policy is to do what they can to get more money and weapons from the US.
But will the US be a super power or even a supporter for ever?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Jews will never recover from what Israel has done in Palestine. World opinion is turning sharply against Israel and the effects will be felt by Jews wherever they live. The USA is an outlier, because Americans are both detached and stupid, but the college students are in the vanguard.

https://time.com/6559293/morning-consult-israel-global-opinion/

Let's differentiate between Jews and Zionists. As a Jew, I am revolted by Zionism and offended by the existence of Israel. Many of us feel this way.

Israel is an illegitimate country full of racist extremists, fundamentalist bigots, and opportunistic predators. It cannot, will not, and should not survive in its current form.

Most Israelis and nearly all of the objectionable ones may be Jewish, but please don't judge all Jewish people by these depraved and debauched examples of the group.

I'm not sure if the pp you quoted meant it this way, but unfortunately I do think Israel's actions affect all Jews, even those courageous ones like you, unafraid to speak truth.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

The Palestinians are not in a position to do anything about Hamas, they are in Buchenwald!
Netanyahu wants mighty revenge, his words.
He also wants to make Israel permanently safe. That is not possible either. This is not about Oct 7 anymore. His re-election campaign

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

The Palestinians are not in a position to do anything about Hamas, they are in Buchenwald!
Netanyahu wants mighty revenge, his words.
He also wants to make Israel permanently safe. That is not possible either. This is not about Oct 7 anymore. His re-election campaign

Well, October 7th shattered the status quo. In that sense, the war is very much about October 7th. After Hamas invaded and committed all those atrocities, it became clear there was no going back. No Israeli had set foot in Gaza since 2005, and still Palestinians in Gaza attacked Israel and murdered all those kids and farmers and took more than 250 people hostage - to torture and ultimately kill.

Palestinians in Gaza could have used those 20 years of complete freedom and billions and billions of aid dollars to turn Gaza into the Singapore of the Middle East. Instead, the Hamas leadership became richer than Donald Trump. They were billionaires. And the rest of the money went to buying weapons from Iran and to build tunnels. Forget about electricity or water or schools. Palestinians in Gaza chose corruption and war instead. It's a shame.

That's what Palestinians in Gaza chose. And that can't happen again. No country in the world would allow Hamas to exist as their neighbor. Palestinians in Gaza really should have chosen a different path. But they chose terror. And these are the consequences. Until Palestinians in Gaza turn on Hamas, their future is going to be bleak.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So the pro-Hamas posters' comment boil down to:

Israel holds Palestinian prisoners who engaged in terror.
Israel kills Palestinians who plot and engage in terror.
The so-called "nakba" 75 years ago justifies any and all atrocities perpetuated by Palestinians born decades later.
Israeli actions to suppress Hamas are always unjustified and always result in harm to women and children; terrorists are never to be discussed, and their casualty rates are undisclosed.
Hostages? Who cares about hostages?
Oct 7? That justifies nothing, Israel had it coming (see "Nakba, above).

We get it.

It’s very, very difficult to see how people who think like you could possibly find yourself wound up in never lending conflict wherever you go.

The accountability and empathy meters are so maxed out, what more could you possibly do to get along with others?

Easy, Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages. Casualties which follw that would be tragic instead of predictable and justified.

And what are Israel's responsibilities? How about releasing the detainees, some of whom have been held for years without being charged. How about paying compensation for stolen property per UN Resolution 194? How about preventing its crazies from stealing Palestinian lives, livelihoods, homes, and land in the West Bank? How about ceasing to assassinate journalists who reveal the racist nature of the Israeli regime? How about taking responsibility for past atrocities?

This selfish idea that only Israeli lives matter just doesn't cut it.

The current conflict is about Oct. 7, not about anything else. It is indisputable that if Hamas surrenders and releases the hostages the current conflict would end. Earlier conflicts were all instigated by the Arabs and and won by Israel; this is no different. In each case, over 75 years, the fighting stopped only when the Arabs were defeated. In the present situation the Palestinians can bring an end to the fighting and to their losses, they choose not to by continuing to harbor and support Hamas. Why they think their intransigence and conduct can be anything but self-destructive is baffling. Over 75 years, no lessons learned whatsoever.

Israel doesn't provide room and board to Palestinian prisoners out of charity, but to keep them from engaging in terror. No terror = no prisoners. Same concept as no Oct 7, no hostages =no civilian casualties in Gaza.

There is no potential for peaceful resolutions of other grievances as long as terror is used as a bargaining chip. It brings only retaliation and a worsening of the Palestinian condition.

The Palestinians are not in a position to do anything about Hamas, they are in Buchenwald!
Netanyahu wants mighty revenge, his words.
He also wants to make Israel permanently safe. That is not possible either. This is not about Oct 7 anymore. His re-election campaign

Well, October 7th shattered the status quo. In that sense, the war is very much about October 7th. After Hamas invaded and committed all those atrocities, it became clear there was no going back. No Israeli had set foot in Gaza since 2005, and still Palestinians in Gaza attacked Israel and murdered all those kids and farmers and took more than 250 people hostage - to torture and ultimately kill.

Palestinians in Gaza could have used those 20 years of complete freedom and billions and billions of aid dollars to turn Gaza into the Singapore of the Middle East. Instead, the Hamas leadership became richer than Donald Trump. They were billionaires. And the rest of the money went to buying weapons from Iran and to build tunnels. Forget about electricity or water or schools. Palestinians in Gaza chose corruption and war instead. It's a shame.

That's what Palestinians in Gaza chose. And that can't happen again. No country in the world would allow Hamas to exist as their neighbor. Palestinians in Gaza really should have chosen a different path. But they chose terror. And these are the consequences. Until Palestinians in Gaza turn on Hamas, their future is going to be bleak.

Honestly, the fact that you seek to provoke by non-ironically using the words “complete freedom” to describe life in Gaza prior to 10/7 just shows exactly what lies in the heart and mind of someone despicable enough to support Zionism.

You are irredeemable, unfortunately.