Gaza war and College Campus Protests

[Anonymous]

Last December, three months after the war broke out in Gaza, the Israeli army announced that it had “dismantled the operational capabilities” of Hamas’ armed wing, the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, in the largest refugee camp in the Strip, Jabalia. The official discourse was triumphalist. “Jabalia is no longer what it was,” said the divisional commander who led the operation, Yitzhak Cohen. “We have killed hundreds of terrorists and arrested some 500 suspected terrorists,” he added, announcing the demolition of the three Hamas battalions stationed there.

Four months later, a division initially set to invade Rafah — the area in southern Gaza that tens of thousands of civilians are forcibly evacuating on the orders of the Israeli army — reentered Jabalia on Sunday, due to the reorganization of the militias. Both there and in Zeitoun — a district of the Gazan capital where the army had considered Hamas to be defeated — the intensity of the fighting is evidence that, after more than six months of the Israeli offensive, the “total victory” advocated by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is far from being achieved by the current operation to eliminate the last four remaining Hamas battalions, all of which are in Rafah.

Uncoincidentally, the military establishment has — anonymously, but in an apparently coordinated manner and for the first time since the war began — come out to criticize Netanyahu. Without a realistic plan for the “day after” the end of the conflict, Israeli troops are doomed to the myth of Sisyphus, with Hamas filling the gaps left by each withdrawal to launch insurgency actions, taking advantage of the militias’ knowledge of the terrain.

https://english.elpais.com/international/2024-05-14/new-fighting-against-hamas-in-northern-gaza-lays-bare-holes-in-israels-military-strategy.html

Israel is losing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

There are also near-daily protests by Israelis in the streets against Netanyahu's government (before and after 10/7). There are deep divisions in Israeli politics, which we should all understand, because we see it in the US too. When Trump or one of his appointees said something stupid, half the country was rightly horrified. Your example would be like holding up: any Trump rally, any quote from MTG, and the Charlottesville marchers, and then saying the US doesn't have the right to exist, because those people are all terrible.

Those are not minor figures and your attempt to minimize who they are is not good.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After violently crushing peaceful student protests, NYU is subjecting said students to reeducation camps in the style of Stalin and Mao.

LMAO…is this satire?

Writing a paper to stay in school = reeducation camp?

They aren’t being forced. They are doing so voluntarily. Actions have consequences, including acts of civil disobedience.

What do you find funny about it? This is literally Mao’s China, where anyone who expressed dissent to the ruling party ideology was required to bend the knee and repent in writing or they were expelled from school and place of employment.

It’s the quintessential mark of a totalitarian regime.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

There are also near-daily protests by Israelis in the streets against Netanyahu's government (before and after 10/7). There are deep divisions in Israeli politics, which we should all understand, because we see it in the US too. When Trump or one of his appointees said something stupid, half the country was rightly horrified. Your example would be like holding up: any Trump rally, any quote from MTG, and the Charlottesville marchers, and then saying the US doesn't have the right to exist, because those people are all terrible.

Those are not minor figures and your attempt to minimize who they are is not good.

I'm not minimizing them. I'm comparing them to major political figures in the US. Trump wasn't a minor figure. Neither were Stephen Miller or Rudy Guiliani to name a few prominent people in his inner circle who went out and said/did awful things in the name of our government.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Honestly, what are they thinking? The international community will not support this. I think this is so much riskier to Israel's existence-- the campus protests are nothing in comparison.

"Far-right Israelis held a march in Sderot, near the border with Gaza, attended by ministers who called for the reoccupation of Gaza. It coincided with the anniversary of Israel’s creation in 1948, in which more than 700,000 Palestinians were forcibly displaced.

Israeli’s Communications Minister Shlomo Karhi, a member of the governing Likud Party, and hardline Knesset member Zvi Sukkot, of the Religious Zionist Party, were among those calling for the reestablishment of Israeli settlements in Gaza.

“For preserving the security achievements that our soldiers lost their lives for, we must resettle Gaza with security forces and settlers that will embrace the land with love,” Karhi said.

National Security Minister Itamar Ben-Gvir said, “First, we must return to Gaza now. We are coming home to the holy land. And second, we must encourage migration – encourage the voluntary migration of the residents of Gaza. It is moral.”"

Do you remember last summer when the ethnic Armenians in Azerbaijan left/were forced to leave Nagorno-Karabakh? The international community didn't say anything at all about it. Israel remembers and they want to do that too.

Ethnic cleansing made possible by massive purchases of Israeli weaponry by the corrupt government of Azerbaijan.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After violently crushing peaceful student protests, NYU is subjecting said students to reeducation camps in the style of Stalin and Mao.

LMAO…is this satire?

Writing a paper to stay in school = reeducation camp?

They aren’t being forced. They are doing so voluntarily. Actions have consequences, including acts of civil disobedience.

What do you find funny about it? This is literally Mao’s China, where anyone who expressed dissent to the ruling party ideology was required to bend the knee and repent in writing or they were expelled from school and place of employment.

It’s the quintessential mark of a totalitarian regime.

Yep it will be used against any student who signs it. It is a confession to the pro Israeli red book mob. I wonder who and what they will go after next.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:"Joe Biden and his administration have been accused of being complicit in enabling a famine in Gaza by failing to sufficiently act on repeated warnings from their own experts and aid agencies.

Interviews with current and former US Agency for International Development (USAID) and State Department officials, aid agencies working in Gaza and internal USAID documents reveal that the administration rejected or ignored pleas to use its leverage to persuade its ally Israel — the recipient of billions of dollars of US military support — to allow sufficient humanitarian aid into Gaza to stop the famine taking hold."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gaza-famine-biden-israel-hamas-b2542961.html

And how about holding Hamas complicit for bombing both the Kerem Shalom crossing - which killed four Israeli soldiers manning the main humanitarian corridor into Gaza - and for launching mortars into the area around the US constructed pier that is supposed to provide sea access for aid? Maybe some condemnation for the food trucks Hamas has hijacked?

Not a word, right?

[Anonymous]

It seems pro- Israel bots are quite active here trying to deflect attention from ethnic cleansing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:"Joe Biden and his administration have been accused of being complicit in enabling a famine in Gaza by failing to sufficiently act on repeated warnings from their own experts and aid agencies.

Interviews with current and former US Agency for International Development (USAID) and State Department officials, aid agencies working in Gaza and internal USAID documents reveal that the administration rejected or ignored pleas to use its leverage to persuade its ally Israel — the recipient of billions of dollars of US military support — to allow sufficient humanitarian aid into Gaza to stop the famine taking hold."

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/gaza-famine-biden-israel-hamas-b2542961.html

And how about holding Hamas complicit for bombing both the Kerem Shalom crossing - which killed four Israeli soldiers manning the main humanitarian corridor into Gaza - and for launching mortars into the area around the US constructed pier that is supposed to provide sea access for aid? Maybe some condemnation for the food trucks Hamas has hijacked?

Not a word, right?

Please. Hamas has already been accused of crimes and is literally labelled a terrorist organization. Meanwhile Israel has been committing - if not a genocide - certainly atrocities in Gaza. And they are not labelled a terrorist organization but a country with a legit government that can be criticized.

[Anonymous]

As far as protests go, if young students won't stand up for human rights, who would? Corrupt politicians or paid lobbyists?

[Anonymous]

For once let's make it a sticky that standing up for Palestinians doesn't mean being pro-Hamas or antisemitic and standing up for Jews doesn't mean being pro-Israel or pro-genocide. No need to derail thread by accusing people of supporting they don't support at all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:After violently crushing peaceful student protests, NYU is subjecting said students to reeducation camps in the style of Stalin and Mao.

LMAO…is this satire?

Writing a paper to stay in school = reeducation camp?

They aren’t being forced. They are doing so voluntarily. Actions have consequences, including acts of civil disobedience.

What do you find funny about it? This is literally Mao’s China, where anyone who expressed dissent to the ruling party ideology was required to bend the knee and repent in writing or they were expelled from school and place of employment.

It’s the quintessential mark of a totalitarian regime.

Oh, my gosh. I'm glad you aren't being asked to fight in a war as our ancestors did to give you the freedom to write such drivel.
The education of our youth involving too much coddling, "everyone can win," , and few consequences is revealed in your post.
Get a grip!

[Anonymous]

You all are wasting your breath responding to posts--the purpose of this thread (and any other discussion of the war on the internet), to the people who spend all day on it, its to record the public, mob trials against Israel, in the attempt to convince Americans to facilitate Israel's fall. They post "look at what Israel did today guys!" posts, no discussion to be had. Every post is a lecture or demand. Best to just let them post and let them talk to each other. Any response from others just gives them confidence they have an audience that may just be inflicted to see Israel for the evil it truly is (in their mind).

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:After violently crushing peaceful student protests, NYU is subjecting said students to reeducation camps in the style of Stalin and Mao.

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Love it! Go NYU!