FCPS paying for Critical Race Theory curriculum. To be implemented in a year

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If this board is anything, it's proof that fcps really needs this curriculum.

Un-heroing Jefferson isn't needed or "doing better" (from 'When we know better, we do better').

He can be presented in an unwhitewashed manner. More facts, less worship.

There isn't any CRT proponent on this thread who is capable of that.

Just present in as what he was, a white supremacist POS, slave owner, rapist, and pedophile. There isn’t a whole lot to that.

Well there certainly is. As I said, you cannot present facts. Only emotion.

[Anonymous]

Mr. Jefferson lived within the social constructs of the time. The social constructs of the 50s, 60s, 70s and 80s sucked too. We have made progress though and we must continue to make progress. And I'm sorry, TJ helped shape this country with a framework which for better of worse has shaped and changed many lives for the better. I'm thankful for him. We all make mistakes that we look back on and learn from. Had he lived longer I'm sure he would have been on the right side just like 70s and 80s era kids that thought Blazing Saddles or 16 Candles was funny look back now and cringe and know so much of what was societally normal was not okay.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this board is anything, it's proof that fcps really needs this curriculum.

Un-heroing Jefferson isn't needed or "doing better" (from 'When we know better, we do better').

He can be presented in an unwhitewashed manner. More facts, less worship.

There isn't any CRT proponent on this thread who is capable of that.

Present him as a founding father of our country as well as a southern plantation owner whose wealth and position was built - and maintained - on slavery and who raped at least one of his slaves.

Monticello does a decent job of sharing various perspectives.
https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/

[Anonymous]

I wish we could look at Darwin through the same lens. He's evidently off-limits though since he irritates Evangelical Christians, so he gets to be a "product of his times." As does the New York Times.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this board is anything, it's proof that fcps really needs this curriculum.

Un-heroing Jefferson isn't needed or "doing better" (from 'When we know better, we do better').

He can be presented in an unwhitewashed manner. More facts, less worship.

There isn't any CRT proponent on this thread who is capable of that.

Present him as a founding father of our country as well as a southern plantation owner whose wealth and position was built - and maintained - on slavery and who raped at least one of his slaves.

Monticello does a decent job of sharing various perspectives.
https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/

He died bankrupt. Like many other white men, he (probably, it might have been someone else) kept a concubine who was a Black enslaved woman. To our modern eyes, the relationship was offensive and bizarre. But at the time, it was common and understood.

None of this is why he is important or an American hero though. We can certainly teach his private life but it's secondary to the teachings of his historical and contemporary importance.

[Anonymous]

If we are only going to view history by teaching about ideas that came from human beings whose morals were beyond reproach, then we might as well stop teaching history. It is possible to be both a visionary and a deeply flawed human being. We don't need to depict historical figures as heroes in order to teach about the impact of their ideas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we are only going to view history by teaching about ideas that came from human beings whose morals were beyond reproach, then we might as well stop teaching history. It is possible to be both a visionary and a deeply flawed human being. We don't need to depict historical figures as heroes in order to teach about the impact of their ideas.

One of the main reasons some people feel TJ was so great is so way in supported and executed the system of white supremacy.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we are only going to view history by teaching about ideas that came from human beings whose morals were beyond reproach, then we might as well stop teaching history. It is possible to be both a visionary and a deeply flawed human being. We don't need to depict historical figures as heroes in order to teach about the impact of their ideas.

One of the main reasons some people feel TJ was so great is so way in supported and executed the system of white supremacy.

Hardly, but keep spouting your agit-prop nonsense.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:If we are only going to view history by teaching about ideas that came from human beings whose morals were beyond reproach, then we might as well stop teaching history. It is possible to be both a visionary and a deeply flawed human being. We don't need to depict historical figures as heroes in order to teach about the impact of their ideas.

One of the main reasons some people feel TJ was so great is so way in supported and executed the system of white supremacy.

You guys are just getting boring now...

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this board is anything, it's proof that fcps really needs this curriculum.

Un-heroing Jefferson isn't needed or "doing better" (from 'When we know better, we do better').

He can be presented in an unwhitewashed manner. More facts, less worship.

There isn't any CRT proponent on this thread who is capable of that.

Present him as a founding father of our country as well as a southern plantation owner whose wealth and position was built - and maintained - on slavery and who raped at least one of his slaves.

Monticello does a decent job of sharing various perspectives.
https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/

He died bankrupt. Like many other white men, he (probably, it might have been someone else) kept a concubine who was a Black enslaved woman. To our modern eyes, the relationship was offensive and bizarre. But at the time, it was common and understood.

None of this is why he is important or an American hero though. We can certainly teach his private life but it's secondary to the teachings of his historical and contemporary importance.

I think it's more important to recognize him as a human, flaws and all. Don't idolize him based on only a portion of his actions.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we are only going to view history by teaching about ideas that came from human beings whose morals were beyond reproach, then we might as well stop teaching history. It is possible to be both a visionary and a deeply flawed human being. We don't need to depict historical figures as heroes in order to teach about the impact of their ideas.

Exactly.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this board is anything, it's proof that fcps really needs this curriculum.

Un-heroing Jefferson isn't needed or "doing better" (from 'When we know better, we do better').

He can be presented in an unwhitewashed manner. More facts, less worship.

There isn't any CRT proponent on this thread who is capable of that.

Present him as a founding father of our country as well as a southern plantation owner whose wealth and position was built - and maintained - on slavery and who raped at least one of his slaves.

Monticello does a decent job of sharing various perspectives.
https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/

He died bankrupt. Like many other white men, he (probably, it might have been someone else) kept a concubine who was a Black enslaved woman. To our modern eyes, the relationship was offensive and bizarre. But at the time, it was common and understood.

None of this is why he is important or an American hero though. We can certainly teach his private life but it's secondary to the teachings of his historical and contemporary importance.

I think it's more important to recognize him as a human, flaws and all. Don't idolize him based on only a portion of his actions.

Having flaws? He was aware of the contradiction of American freedom and slavery. Being broke might be a character flaw. Is having a concubine a character flaw?

Why do you think teaching Jefferson's entire life is more important than teaching his specific importance to the country, then and now? Can you elaborate?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:If this board is anything, it's proof that fcps really needs this curriculum.

Un-heroing Jefferson isn't needed or "doing better" (from 'When we know better, we do better').

He can be presented in an unwhitewashed manner. More facts, less worship.

There isn't any CRT proponent on this thread who is capable of that.

Present him as a founding father of our country as well as a southern plantation owner whose wealth and position was built - and maintained - on slavery and who raped at least one of his slaves.

Monticello does a decent job of sharing various perspectives.
https://www.monticello.org/thomas-jefferson/jefferson-slavery/

He died bankrupt. Like many other white men, he (probably, it might have been someone else) kept a concubine who was a Black enslaved woman. To our modern eyes, the relationship was offensive and bizarre. But at the time, it was common and understood.

None of this is why he is important or an American hero though. We can certainly teach his private life but it's secondary to the teachings of his historical and contemporary importance.

I think it's more important to recognize him as a human, flaws and all. Don't idolize him based on only a portion of his actions.

Having flaws? He was aware of the contradiction of American freedom and slavery. Being broke might be a character flaw. Is having a concubine a character flaw?

Why do you think teaching Jefferson's entire life is more important than teaching his specific importance to the country, then and now? Can you elaborate?

Because the world would have been a better place without a foul rapist like him.

[Anonymous]

You’d still be a poor simpleton had Jefferson never been born, and the liberties you enjoy today would likely be substantially curtailed.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:If we are only going to view history by teaching about ideas that came from human beings whose morals were beyond reproach, then we might as well stop teaching history. It is possible to be both a visionary and a deeply flawed human being. We don't need to depict historical figures as heroes in order to teach about the impact of their ideas.

A rare gust of common sense above!