McLean to Explore Separating from FC & FCPS

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:Just wait until the people in Great Falls realize they are not part of McLean proper.

Just wait until you realize that Great Falls makes up at least half - if not more - of Langley students.

Sounds like McLean is starting to catch up to where Great Falls already was in terms of disappointment with FCPS. If they are allowed to exit, I’m sure they will coordinate and do so together, especially since both Langley HS and McLean HS are in McLean.

Langley, however, is happy with FCPS, not disappointed.

Because Langley HS is practically brand new since 2018 after renovations.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wait until the people in Great Falls realize they are not part of McLean proper.

Just wait until you realize that Great Falls makes up at least half - if not more - of Langley students.

Sounds like McLean is starting to catch up to where Great Falls already was in terms of disappointment with FCPS. If they are allowed to exit, I’m sure they will coordinate and do so together, especially since both Langley HS and McLean HS are in McLean.

Langley, however, is happy with FCPS, not disappointed.

Says who? Most of Great Falls wanted a change in direction at FCPS in 2019 and got outvoted in Dranesville by Herndon and McLean. People aren’t happy with the delay in Cooper’s renovation, the possibility that FCPS may move kids to Cooper from Longfellow in the middle of Cooper’s renovation, and the frequent hints that FCPS will rezone at least part of Great Falls out of Langley as soon as they can get away with it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:So McLean (as a city) could separate and operate with its own school board for funding, capital improvements, facility use, and related issues, but still contract out to FCPS for instruction, i.e., teachers/staffing, just like Fairfax City.

Or I wonder if a complete split (like Falls Church City, Manassass Park, etc.) is what Mclean residents really want. McLean would then have complete control over its curriculum and attendance boundaries. Unfortunately students in the Falls Church section of Fairfax County would then no longer be able to attend McLean HS. Marshall is close by however.

The boundaries of a new city could largely track the current boundaries of Langley HS and McLean HS, which include parts of Falls Church and Vienna and a few other areas.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Took my kid to Justice HS this morning for SAT and Justice has better facilities than McLean. McLean looks like a dump, and I can’t even play tennis at McLean because they put trailers on the tennis courts. I am paying 25k/yr for my McLean home property tax and get shitty McLean HS facilities. I am for separating Mclean from Fairfax county.

They have started to unload the cheap modular and it is almost as ugly as the shitty trailers sitting on the tennis courts. Justice is less crowded than McLean and they are getting a $20 million permanent addition designed by an architect. Of course McLean should try to sever its ties from Fairfax County and FCPS. We all now that there is only one School Board member who’ll speak up for a better facility and smaller class in thst area and she’ll be bullied into silence by the other members who just want McLean’s tax money.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:Just wait until the people in Great Falls realize they are not part of McLean proper.

Just wait until you realize that Great Falls makes up at least half - if not more - of Langley students.

Sounds like McLean is starting to catch up to where Great Falls already was in terms of disappointment with FCPS. If they are allowed to exit, I’m sure they will coordinate and do so together, especially since both Langley HS and McLean HS are in McLean.

Langley, however, is happy with FCPS, not disappointed.

The head of the MCA, who is forming the group to study potential incorporation as a city, lives in the Langley HS district.

[Anonymous]

You're telling me rich people want to seperate themselves from the rest of the riffraff?

Well, I guess now they got their "woke" credits it doesn't matter.

Nothing will ever change.

[Anonymous]

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You're telling me rich people want to seperate themselves from the rest of the riffraff?

Well, I guess now they got their "woke" credits it doesn't matter.

Nothing will ever change.

Hopefully things will change for the better in McLean and Great Falls if we can separate from the corrupt politicians and School Board members who have short-changed us for far too long.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You're telling me rich people want to seperate themselves from the rest of the riffraff?

Well, I guess now they got their "woke" credits it doesn't matter.

Nothing will ever change.

Hopefully things will change for the better in McLean and Great Falls if we can separate from the corrupt politicians and School Board members who have short-changed us for far too long.

Yeah, the man is keeping McLean and Langley down.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

You're telling me rich people want to seperate themselves from the rest of the riffraff?

Well, I guess now they got their "woke" credits it doesn't matter.

Nothing will ever change.

Hopefully things will change for the better in McLean and Great Falls if we can separate from the corrupt politicians and School Board members who have short-changed us for far too long.

Yeah, the man is keeping McLean and Langley down.

“The man...” Snicker. You’re trying to sound like Bobby Seale, but it’s not quite working.

[Anonymous]

Where is special ed in all this? Langley and McLean pyramids don't have a bunch of the FCPS programs. Legally, you have to provide comparable and meet the IEP or get the pants sued off you. So it will have to be set up. And given that it's McLean, you're going to get the pants sued off you anyway constantly, all the time, by parents demanding 1:1 aides and 1:1 Orton-Gillingham and placements at Ivymount and Lab and Oakwood and Fusion. This will add millions in costs. Do people understand how expensive this stuff is? I looked up Greenwich, CT and there are multiple articles over the years about them constantly overrunning their special ed budget due to having to fund out-of-district placements. A drop in the bucket for FCPS, a major balance sheet issue for McLean City Public Schools.

And Greenwich has almost triple the property tax rate of Fairfax County. Brookline is about double. There are some serious rose-tinted glasses going on here.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:So McLean (as a city) could separate and operate with its own school board for funding, capital improvements, facility use, and related issues, but still contract out to FCPS for instruction, i.e., teachers/staffing, just like Fairfax City.

Or I wonder if a complete split (like Falls Church City, Manassass Park, etc.) is what Mclean residents really want. McLean would then have complete control over its curriculum and attendance boundaries. Unfortunately students in the Falls Church section of Fairfax County would then no longer be able to attend McLean HS. Marshall is close by however.

The boundaries of a new city could largely track the current boundaries of Langley HS and McLean HS, which include parts of Falls Church and Vienna and a few other areas.

Who knows what McLean residents really want? A few hysterical parents on DCUM who are mad that McLean HS doesn't look more like a private academy or country club don't represent the nearly 50,000 residents who live in the McLean CDP.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:Where is special ed in all this? Langley and McLean pyramids don't have a bunch of the FCPS programs. Legally, you have to provide comparable and meet the IEP or get the pants sued off you. So it will have to be set up. And given that it's McLean, you're going to get the pants sued off you anyway constantly, all the time, by parents demanding 1:1 aides and 1:1 Orton-Gillingham and placements at Ivymount and Lab and Oakwood and Fusion. This will add millions in costs. Do people understand how expensive this stuff is? I looked up Greenwich, CT and there are multiple articles over the years about them constantly overrunning their special ed budget due to having to fund out-of-district placements. A drop in the bucket for FCPS, a major balance sheet issue for McLean City Public Schools.

And Greenwich has almost triple the property tax rate of Fairfax County. Brookline is about double. There are some serious rose-tinted glasses going on here.

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Rose-tinted glasses and/or a spectacular display of cluelessness.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:FCPS teacher living in a neighborhood that I'm sure receives more than it gives, thanks to neighborhoods like McLean. FCPS has made it a goal to squander their time, their money, students' education, and their own reputation. If McLean can successfully function independently, more power to them. I'd like to say that would give FCPS the kick in the ass it needs, but...yeah.

That squandering is what bothers me most. Look at what they did 9 months post covid. My kids are still ES but will go to McLean High. Outdated facilities and trailers everywhere including on tennis would annoy me but I'd deal with it. But I'd take action to prevent further quality of education going downhill due to all the squandering of resources focused on things that don't affect my kids or indirectly negatively impact them. See how city of FC being rational and small sized has allowed them to respond reasonably to return to school plans.

The FCPS SB and Gatehouse employees have been squandering time and money not being able to get things done for years. They have refused to even put the some of the kids at overcrowded McLean to underenrolled Langley with plenty of space post renovations. I do not live in McLean proper and for about 5 years since we moved to a house districted to Colvin Run/Longfellow/McLean, I've heard that we might get redistred to only Langley or we might get redistricting to Cooper Langley. Or that if incompetency in leadership continues, not bring able to resolve differences among constituents continues, that nothing will end up happening and we will still remain Longfellow McLean. I used to attend some of these redistricting meetings then stopped following because nothing was moving forward so it was a waste of my time.

Now that I'm able to see over my kid's shoulder as to what is being taught in third grade, I'm surprised at the lower than expected quality of education. DL has made people like me realize status quo has too many problems to simply endure.

[Anonymous]

FCC is doing pretty much exactly the same thing as FCPS with respect to Return to School.

The idea of moving new high schoolers to Langley from McLean was shuttled because Cooper parents wanted to include MS in the boundary adjustments.

You sound very uninformed.

[Anonymous]

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Anonymous wrote:FCPS teacher living in a neighborhood that I'm sure receives more than it gives, thanks to neighborhoods like McLean. FCPS has made it a goal to squander their time, their money, students' education, and their own reputation. If McLean can successfully function independently, more power to them. I'd like to say that would give FCPS the kick in the ass it needs, but...yeah.

That squandering is what bothers me most. Look at what they did 9 months post covid. My kids are still ES but will go to McLean High. Outdated facilities and trailers everywhere including on tennis would annoy me but I'd deal with it. But I'd take action to prevent further quality of education going downhill due to all the squandering of resources focused on things that don't affect my kids or indirectly negatively impact them. See how city of FC being rational and small sized has allowed them to respond reasonably to return to school plans.

The FCPS SB and Gatehouse employees have been squandering time and money not being able to get things done for years. They have refused to even put the some of the kids at overcrowded McLean to underenrolled Langley with plenty of space post renovations. I do not live in McLean proper and for about 5 years since we moved to a house districted to Colvin Run/Longfellow/McLean, I've heard that we might get redistred to only Langley or we might get redistricting to Cooper Langley. Or that if incompetency in leadership continues, not bring able to resolve differences among constituents continues, that nothing will end up happening and we will still remain Longfellow McLean. I used to attend some of these redistricting meetings then stopped following because nothing was moving forward so it was a waste of my time.

Now that I'm able to see over my kid's shoulder as to what is being taught in third grade, I'm surprised at the lower than expected quality of education. DL has made people like me realize status quo has too many problems to simply endure.

Yes, and things will just get worse for McLean kids. You can talk about Langley having gotten renovated but the class sizes are too big and they will move kids out of Langley once they can get away with it. And of course McLean is a total eyesore, ignored while they spend millions on additions at less overcrowded schools that were built later than McLean.

Alexandria, Fairfax and Falls Church are already cities and McLean needs to follow suit if and when the law allows it in a few years. FCPS is a dumpster fire.