This is a blue state bug (for now at least)

[Anonymous]

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Go ahead and wear a mask all day long. I did it when it was necessary starting in February of last year when the fools in charge were saying it wouldn't help.

Based on what we know now about the risk of this disease today, and the fact that we have vaccinations available, masking is no longer necessary in my opinion.

But nobody is stopping you from wearing a mask all the time to help prevent spreading all the other diseases you don't seem to care about spreading to vulnerable people like the flu.

I spotted the problem here.

Yes, opinion is based on a judgment of risk, cost, etc. That's how it works. And that's exactly what doctors, and the CDC, and the WHO do. They look at the data, then provide an opinion based on the information they have available.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:People tend to have a very distorted view of the risk associated with things that are new.

If 1,000 kids die of flue, nobody cares, but if 400 die from COVID, it's a crisis.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999241558/in-kids-the-risk-of-covid-19-and-the-flu-are-similar-but-the-risk-perception-isn

HARRIS: Even a vaccinated parent can occasionally get infected with the coronavirus. There's also a small risk that the virus can pass to an unvaccinated child, and that child has an extremely small risk of getting seriously ill. To date, out of more than 74 million children in the United States, there have been about 300 COVID deaths and a few thousand serious illnesses. Hospitalization numbers look worse, but Dr. Roshni Mathew at Stanford's Children's Hospital says those numbers are inflated.

FWIW, this is the UK

They are a few weeks ahead of the US. So unless or until we change our behavior, this will be the tweet from hospitals across the USA come August.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People tend to have a very distorted view of the risk associated with things that are new.

If 1,000 kids die of flue, nobody cares, but if 400 die from COVID, it's a crisis.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999241558/in-kids-the-risk-of-covid-19-and-the-flu-are-similar-but-the-risk-perception-isn

HARRIS: Even a vaccinated parent can occasionally get infected with the coronavirus. There's also a small risk that the virus can pass to an unvaccinated child, and that child has an extremely small risk of getting seriously ill. To date, out of more than 74 million children in the United States, there have been about 300 COVID deaths and a few thousand serious illnesses. Hospitalization numbers look worse, but Dr. Roshni Mathew at Stanford's Children's Hospital says those numbers are inflated.

FWIW, this is the UK

Didn't we already see this in early 2020 with China and then, Italy? We never seem to learn.


They are a few weeks ahead of the US. So unless or until we change our behavior, this will be the tweet from hospitals across the USA come August.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People tend to have a very distorted view of the risk associated with things that are new.

If 1,000 kids die of flue, nobody cares, but if 400 die from COVID, it's a crisis.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999241558/in-kids-the-risk-of-covid-19-and-the-flu-are-similar-but-the-risk-perception-isn

HARRIS: Even a vaccinated parent can occasionally get infected with the coronavirus. There's also a small risk that the virus can pass to an unvaccinated child, and that child has an extremely small risk of getting seriously ill. To date, out of more than 74 million children in the United States, there have been about 300 COVID deaths and a few thousand serious illnesses. Hospitalization numbers look worse, but Dr. Roshni Mathew at Stanford's Children's Hospital says those numbers are inflated.

Tell me if you would - what’s the risk of lifelong disability with flu vs covid?

Or any of the other potential unknowns about the long term impact of COVID? Aren't we largely talking about another 3-6 months until a Pfizer vaccine or the like will be available for kids under 12? What's so hard about changing your behavior for just a little bit longer?

NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

[Anonymous]

I'm OP again. It's getting close to a Blue State Avenger from the looks of it. Then again, it's not like blue states emerged unscathed from the pandemic's worst days of November 2020-February 2021.

Delta seems to be succeeding where Alpha, Beta, and Gamma failed in making a breakthrough in the American market. Of course the other three did succeed in making folks kind of numb about hearing of "variants."

Interesting that some right-wingers are talking up the vaccine now. I figure under-vax'd Democratic-leaning populations (mostly POC) would have a longer tail of getting vaccinated as it seems the vaccine resistant lean Republican but the unvaxed Dems tend to have logistical problems getting vaxed. But heck, I could see this affecting at most 1-2 House races.

Are they really worried swing voters will blame them for a fourth wave? I just figured partisans would blame the other side no matter what and low-engagement voters would blame the Dems.

[Anonymous]

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NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

Because there are "breakthrough cases" and even if you are asymptomatic, you can STILL pass it on to the unvaccinated kids.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I'm OP again. It's getting close to a Blue State Avenger from the looks of it. Then again, it's not like blue states emerged unscathed from the pandemic's worst days of November 2020-February 2021.

Delta seems to be succeeding where Alpha, Beta, and Gamma failed in making a breakthrough in the American market. Of course the other three did succeed in making folks kind of numb about hearing of "variants."

Interesting that some right-wingers are talking up the vaccine now. I figure under-vax'd Democratic-leaning populations (mostly POC) would have a longer tail of getting vaccinated as it seems the vaccine resistant lean Republican but the unvaxed Dems tend to have logistical problems getting vaxed. But heck, I could see this affecting at most 1-2 House races.

Are they really worried swing voters will blame them for a fourth wave? I just figured partisans would blame the other side no matter what and low-engagement voters would blame the Dems.

It's the Red states that are getting hit hardest right now by Delta, but the Blue states are playing catch up because they started this wave from such a low base.

It's basically the opposite of the March 2020 wave - Red states are getting hit hard with Delta, but now the Blue areas are starting to see it quickly grow. But with high vax rates in Blue counties, I think we will see much less hospitalization relative to Red counties.

[Anonymous]

OP again:

Of course the wild care is what happens if China gets hit with the Delta variant. Given how they acted with OG COVID, I'm not sure what will happen. I was mocked for expressing my concerns over this in the Health forum before the Chinese New Year, which we got through with a minimum of fuss (highest day in the travel season was like 150 cases.) We saw what they did when there were 2,000 reported cases a day ...

[Anonymous]

*card even

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:People tend to have a very distorted view of the risk associated with things that are new.

If 1,000 kids die of flue, nobody cares, but if 400 die from COVID, it's a crisis.

https://www.npr.org/2021/05/21/999241558/in-kids-the-risk-of-covid-19-and-the-flu-are-similar-but-the-risk-perception-isn

HARRIS: Even a vaccinated parent can occasionally get infected with the coronavirus. There's also a small risk that the virus can pass to an unvaccinated child, and that child has an extremely small risk of getting seriously ill. To date, out of more than 74 million children in the United States, there have been about 300 COVID deaths and a few thousand serious illnesses. Hospitalization numbers look worse, but Dr. Roshni Mathew at Stanford's Children's Hospital says those numbers are inflated.

Tell me if you would - what’s the risk of lifelong disability with flu vs covid?

Or any of the other potential unknowns about the long term impact of COVID? Aren't we largely talking about another 3-6 months until a Pfizer vaccine or the like will be available for kids under 12? What's so hard about changing your behavior for just a little bit longer?

NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

It sometimes only takes 3 seconds. I don’t know that you understand how contagious delta is. https://www.khou.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/delta-covid-variant-spread/285-943c6cb2-19a4-4d58-93ca-4b245e53b136
https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2021/07/08/1013794996/why-the-delta-variant-is-so-contagious-a-new-study-sheds-light

I don’t think masking is such a big ask. Younger kids only matter to you if you know them and the family asks personally? Social distancing doesn’t do anything for this variant. I have three small kids too young to be vaccinated (who we take to parks and the library and that‘s it right now) and I’d ask you not to be so cavalier with their lives and those of the other several million too young to get the shot.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

Because there are "breakthrough cases" and even if you are asymptomatic, you can STILL pass it on to the unvaccinated kids.

Did you read my whole post? i dont see how I could pass the virus as a vaccinated adult to unrelated kids who I run across in a grocery store. I acknowledged that there is a small risk with my nephews or friends kids who I see for longer periods of time.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

Because there are "breakthrough cases" and even if you are asymptomatic, you can STILL pass it on to the unvaccinated kids.

Did you read my whole post? i dont see how I could pass the virus as a vaccinated adult to unrelated kids who I run across in a grocery store. I acknowledged that there is a small risk with my nephews or friends kids who I see for longer periods of time.

Delta produces 1000x more virus in the nose than wild type. If you have it, you are much much more contagious than you would have been with wild-type. There are recorded cases of transmission occurring in seconds of contact. Put a mask on.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

Because there are "breakthrough cases" and even if you are asymptomatic, you can STILL pass it on to the unvaccinated kids.

Did you read my whole post? i dont see how I could pass the virus as a vaccinated adult to unrelated kids who I run across in a grocery store. I acknowledged that there is a small risk with my nephews or friends kids who I see for longer periods of time.

15:39 here. Did you read my links? They’re pretty short. There are recorded cases of delta being transmitted merely walking by someone. Mask up.

[Anonymous]

Will Vicks vaporub in nose (tiny bit at the nostrils) help block?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

NP. Because I just don't see the evidence that says that casual vaccinated strangers masking protects kids. I would do it in a heartbeat if I thought it was useful. But the truth of the matter is that I run into kids that are too young to be vaccinated in stores and the like indoors. In those spaces, I am do not have much contact with the kid. In the unlikely event that I have an asymptomatic case of COVID now that I am vaccinated and living with vaccinated adults and teens, I just dont see how I could pass the virus to them. And even if lightening struck and I did pass to them, all evidence says that the vast majority of them will be fine. Now if my sister asks me to mask indoors while I hang out with my young nephew, I would do it. Because it is more than casual contact. The likelihood of my nephew picking up COVID from me is also very small, but its higher than for a neighborhood kid at the grocery store. This is why vaccinated people masking creates a sense of protection that is false. The only thing to do with young kids is to unfortunately continue to be mindful of social distancing. I hope the pediatric vaccine is available soon.

Because there are "breakthrough cases" and even if you are asymptomatic, you can STILL pass it on to the unvaccinated kids.

Did you read my whole post? i dont see how I could pass the virus as a vaccinated adult to unrelated kids who I run across in a grocery store. I acknowledged that there is a small risk with my nephews or friends kids who I see for longer periods of time.

if you dont see it, read about the Delta variant. is a lot more contagious and there is evidence of spread even with quick, passing contacts.