Kobe Bryant killed in helicopter crash (per TMZ)

[Anonymous]

https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

[Anonymous]

He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:https://www.thedailybeast.com/kobe-bryants-disturbing-rape-case-the-dna-evidence-the-accusers-story-and-the-half-confession

So true. Still, he was allowed to live his live unhampered and active great success inspire of that. Better this model than what happened to bill Cosby when all of the crap came out at the end of his life and basically wiped out all and any legacy.

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Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.

She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.

Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.

Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?

I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

he had no choice but to raise 4 daughters, since only daughters were born in the marriage. What was he supposed to do? Not love them and dump them in the trash?

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

[Anonymous]

I save my delusions for not acknowledging that we are doomed as a planet.
Kobe Bryant? I can accept the good, bad, ugly of Kobe Bryant's life. His achievements were exceptional and he was rewarded exceptionally for it. He had some exceptionally nasty past too. He was not God.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:I think a huge part of Kobe’s appeal is that he was flawed, accepted responsibility, and bettered himself. This article is touching. https://www.cnn.com/2020/01/29/opinions/redemption-kobe-bryant-catholic-faith-beck/index.html

That's how I feel about it. He bettered himself through the fact that he ended up raising four daughters and championed women in sports. People are flawed and I think he is a great example of how can redeem yourself.

He was a young, arrogant athlete that matured over the course of his public life.

Like many young athletes. But he raped where others did not. It is something we do not want to acknowledge because there was so much about his life that was examplary, universally beloved and admired. But not acknowledging it is a further victimization of all people who are victims And whose human rights have been trAmpled upon.

This Attempt to whitewash his past or gloss over the misdeed by minimalizing it, dismissing it as an arrogance of youth is horrible. People do not violently rape women. There was something terribly wrong and entitled about him and his pschce as A human being, as a father and as a husband to do what he did at that moment. That at least needs to be recorded when we look back at his whole life.

I will caveat this by saying that I don't know what really transpired because I wasn't there (hint: neither do you). You speak with such certitude for someone who wasn't there. This appears to have been rough sex and miscommunication about consent. If having rough sex until a woman says no qualifies as rape, then many, many young athletes are guilty of that. It just so happens that this one became a public spectacle, in part because of his stature as an athlete.

Do you acknowledge the pattern of young athletes being targeted with sexual assault allegations and even blackmailed in order for women to cash in? Everyone is so concerned about the WhOLe StORy. How about that part of the story?

No. Majority of athletes do not get accused of sexual assault by unscrupulous women. It is so rare that it makes news when sports star get accused of it. Her injuries were not consistent with consensual sex. Also, this was not some naive uneducated kid who had come up from the ghettos. He was already basketball royalty. Already a married man. Already a dad. He already had minders. He was not some innocent mark.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.

She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.

Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.

Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?

I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.

It was in NBC News at the time. It is from over 15 years ago, so not much still out there.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:“Although I truly believe this encounter between us was consensual, I recognize now that she did not and does not view this incident the same way I did.… I now understand how she feels that she did not consent to this encounter.”

She did not consent to this encounter

She did not consent

No consent = rape

She was raped.

She feels she did not consent does not mean she did not consent. When she said no he stopped.

What they had was a communication issue.

Oh cool. So that explains her blood on his shirt and the bruise on her neck.

Can you explain why she went onto party and brag about his penis and having sex with him?

I have yet to find this reported by any reputable news source. At all.

It was in NBC News at the time. It is from over 15 years ago, so not much still out there.

Sorry, but there is plenty of original reporting still out there. It just doesn’t support the victim-shaming.

[Anonymous]

Anonymous wrote:

Anonymous wrote:He had a charmed life inspire of the rape. His legacy is huge ànd frankly unmatched And unparalleled, but will always be tarnished by the past.
When people die, people look at your whole life. He was lucky that these allegations did not dog him when he was alive.

For the poster who says that he redeemed himself because he raised 4 daughters have put very low bar on what it means to be a feminist. He raised 4 daughters because 4 daughters were born to him. He did not choose daughters over sons. Any decent parent should love and care for their offspring. This was no testimonial to him being a great dad to his daughters.

Finally, people who have pointed out the rape allegations just wanted to set the record straight, but they are equally devastated because he is no more. These allegations are still attAched to his name because he did no time and did not pay his dues to the society for that one thing.

Newsflash, not everyone wants to be a feminist, nor was that the poster's claim. The majority of women don't even self-identify as feminist.

Also, your post makes no sense. If they are just allegations, why would he pay dues or do time? Are you suggesting that mere allegations are sufficient to convict now? Sure seems like it.

Feminism has nothing to do with the criminal justice system.

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